The most important thing a HC does is build a quality staff (and maintain it as people leave), that was a key to AR, Holmgren, almost everyone but Belichick (no tree). Because a HC is primarily an administrator, overseeing all his coordinators and assistant coaches. The second is leadership, setting the tone and philosophy for the team. The third is "coaching," because the most brilliant scheme doesn't work if you don't execute it properly, and execution is determined by the assistant coaches.

Too many coaches want to coach first, and don't focus nearly enough on player development, Xs and Os are more fun than overseeing teaching fundamentals. When you see players make repeated mistakes, either they're badly coached and/or stupid/lazy. If you get rid of stupid players and you're still making repeated mistakes, time to get rid of coaches.

Johnson sounds like a "Stoutland" coach, he knows what he's looking for in the players he wants to coach. Stoutland, Michael, Gannon, these are hands on coaches.

Actually what Sirianni is saying is we have a system, but we'll tweak it for our players, duh. But a lot of coaches don't do that (Doug). You tweak in two ways, remove the plays that your QB can't run, and tweak the plays he can run, maybe changing the primary read, to give him the reads and throws with which he'll have the most success.

The best line, "they look confused in their coverage, so Jacoby was a bit confused" - one way to mess up the QB is to mess up your coverage so he can't figure out what you're doing because you don't know what you're doing.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The most important thing a HC does is build a quality staff (and maintain it as people leave), that was a key to AR, Holmgren, almost everyone but Belichick (no tree). Because a HC is primarily an administrator, overseeing all his coordinators and assistant coaches. The second is leadership, setting the tone and philosophy for the team. The third is "coaching," because the most brilliant scheme doesn't work if you don't execute it properly, and execution is determined by the assistant coaches.

Too many coaches want to coach first, and don't focus nearly enough on player development, Xs and Os are more fun than overseeing teaching fundamentals. When you see players make repeated mistakes, either they're badly coached and/or stupid/lazy. If you get rid of stupid players and you're still making repeated mistakes, time to get rid of coaches.

Johnson sounds like a "Stoutland" coach, he knows what he's looking for in the players he wants to coach. Stoutland, Michael, Gannon, these are hands on coaches.

Actually what Sirianni is saying is we have a system, but we'll tweak it for our players, duh. But a lot of coaches don't do that (Doug). You tweak in two ways, remove the plays that your QB can't run, and tweak the plays he can run, maybe changing the primary read, to give him the reads and throws with which he'll have the most success.

 

Not sure how you can say Doug doesn't do that.  He won a Super Bowl with a backup QB after the likely league MVP went down. Made a similar adjustment the following season.  Adjusted again late in the 2019 season with the practice squad offense.  Also adjusted when Hurts came in last year. 

13 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

 

I really hope the Eagles pick him at 12. He looks better than Surtain IMO.

13 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I just like a more well-rounded WR with such a high pick. I'm not sure Waddle has the hands and release at the LOS a top pick should have. Similar to Ruggs, who was also an excellent prospect. He has struggled so far.

Ruggs was a straight line speedster.  Waddle has way more wiggle to his game.  He's not just a straight line athlete.  He can make people miss and accelerate quickly.  He absolutely destroys defender's angles.  You are correct that Smith is clearly a better route runner, has a better release at the line and probably better hands.  I'd be fine with either but I think Waddle is more of a game changer Smith.  Personally fit wise with our current group Chase was perfect but that's a wet dream now that we're picking 12.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Can anyone provide a player who dropped because of injury concerns that had further injuries due to the one they had in college?

Jay Ajayi 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Jay Ajayi 

The list is actually quite long. 

31 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Not sure how you can say Doug doesn't do that.  He won a Super Bowl with a backup QB after the likely league MVP went down. Made a similar adjustment the following season.  Adjusted again late in the 2019 season with the practice squad offense.  Also adjusted when Hurts came in last year. 

Also tried to make Wentz run the RPO, which he was ill suited for, tried to run a vertical scheme with a makeshift OL.

What worked with Foles worked with no other QB. And was that Doug or Reich?

Not sure he adjusted in the end of 2019 or simply couldn't run what he wanted with a PS WR group.

26 minutes ago, rambo said:

Ruggs was a straight line speedster.  Waddle has way more wiggle to his game.  He's not just a straight line athlete.  He can make people miss and accelerate quickly.  He absolutely destroys defender's angles.  You are correct that Smith is clearly a better route runner, has a better release at the line and probably better hands.  I'd be fine with either but I think Waddle is more of a game changer Smith.  Personally fit wise with our current group Chase was perfect but that's a wet dream now that we're picking 12.

With Waddle the ankle has to check out, but he has more upside than Smith, who is already a polished receiver and unlikely to get bigger or stronger.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Also tried to make Wentz run the RPO, which he was ill suited for, tried to run a vertical scheme with a makeshift OL.

What worked with Foles worked with no other QB. And was that Doug or Reich?

Not sure he adjusted in the end of 2019 or simply couldn't run what he wanted with a PS WR group.

With Waddle the ankle has to check out, but he has more upside than Smith, who is already a polished receiver and unlikely to get bigger or stronger.

 

 

Reich left after 2017 and Doug had success with adjusting the offense to Foles in 2018 as well. 

Doug gets a bit too much hate around here.  He deserves some blame for the ship going under but Howie and Lurie did him no favors at all.  He was dealt a very bad hand. 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

It’s hard to get the medical stuff right.  In 2017 Jonathan Allen was a consensus top 5 pick until medical concerns about his shoulder.  Half the league bypassed him, including the Eagles, until Washington grabbed him at #17.

Four years into his career and he’s only missed 1 of 48 games the past three seasons; he had a lisfranc injury in his rookie year but otherwise been completely healthy — and likely a better player than Barnett 

This is spot on. My concern too is that it seems that generally whatever the worst outcome is, is what happens for this team: 

Jordan Hicks was injury prone in college, is injury prone here and hasn't missed a game since leaving.

Sidney Jones had a bad injury and has been injury prone.

Carson Wentz had injury issues in college and in the pros early on.

Malik Jackson was a model for health and immediately goes down for the season once he got here. 

Hargrave was a healthy starter in Pittsburgh, came here and immediately had an injury that impacted his entire season.

Ronald Darby was fairly healthy, came here to miss several games with several injuries over the span of three seasons, heads to Washington and plays all 16.

Mike Wallace healthy career, comes here and immediately goes down for the year.

And so on and so on.

How often has it been we bring in an injury prone player that actually stays healthy? Further, does anyone stay healthy on this team?

48 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

 

He put those auburn receivers in a strait jacket that day. He held his own vs devonta smith also. 

Horn is not getting past 12.

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

This is a lock to happen. I would say Broncos are an obvious trade up candidate but wouldn’t count out the Pats, WFT, or Bears.

If a team moves up to 4 it’s going to be for a QB and that would help cancel the Panthers move as the 5th QB would then become a target in top 10 for sure.

11 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Moore didn’t instill confidence as the 4th starter though. But bullpen and clutch hitting and some nets being the Mets 

Yeah Moore had a bad outing but you gotta love what we seen from the top 3 guys. Nola/Wheeler/Eflin was excellent in their first start of the season. Something to build on. 
 

Don’t know what to expect from Chase Anderson but hoping hoping he can close out the back end of the rotation. Maybe Velasquez finally figures it out? 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Meh.  I think his delivery puts people off.  Maybe he'll get better at that.  I wouldn't criticize his enthusiasm until we get an indication is that's all he is.  It's great to be rah rah to the press.  But I hope he changes his tune and gets aggressive with the players when he needs to.  I wouldn't call him weird.  Maybe just flaky.  I just don't think it's a smart hire because of who hired him and when they hired him.  I think the best long term HC candidate for this team is in the building and will hopefully be the guy somewhere down the road.  

Maybe NS is just a place holder for this guy.  

 

Sirianni is that guy in the group who wants to fit in but tries to hard and says weird stuff and can’t control the level of his voice. 

I was happy the Eagles traded back from 6 but I did think it was too soon at the time.

However the more you look at it if 4 QBs go before the 6th pick then it actually made sense to trade out this early. The more the earlier picks get locked in with QBs the less valuable our pick at 6 is looking. Lets be honest, no one is moving up 5-10 spots for one of these WRs or TE. It would only be a move to get a QB. So it is looking more and more like the right move to do that deal with the Dolphins as early as we did it. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Can anyone provide a player who dropped because of injury concerns that had further injuries due to the one they had in college?

You mentioned Jonathan Allen and the shoulder.  He's part of the foundation of that defense in Washington.

Sidney Jones has missed games but none of them are related to his achilles injury

DK hasn't missed a game yet. 

Joe Burrow on the other hand didn't miss any games at LSU and had his knee destroyed last year.  Injuries are just hard to get a hold of.

If Caleb Farley is healthy, then I say you pull the trigger at 12 or with a small trade down.

I'm sorry Jones's career was definitely impacted by his achilles.  I mean he went from a 1st round candidate to someone who is barely in the League.  A lower back surgery is just different than a cervical surgery though neither are great.  He is not going to be healed at the time of the draft.  I think it's a gamble given the availability of Horn and other 2nd to 3rd round picks who might be solid starters.  

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Meh.  I think his delivery puts people off.  Maybe he'll get better at that.  I wouldn't criticize his enthusiasm until we get an indication is that's all he is.  It's great to be rah rah to the press.  But I hope he changes his tune and gets aggressive with the players when he needs to.  I wouldn't call him weird.  Maybe just flaky.  I just don't think it's a smart hire because of who hired him and when they hired him.  I think the best long term HC candidate for this team is in the building and will hopefully be the guy somewhere down the road.  

Maybe NS is just a place holder for this guy. 

 

I don;t care about his press confs. So he is not a great man of words to the public. If he can get this team back in shape with his coaching on the field that is all that matters to me. I dont care about the politics of it. I'll reserve any thoughts on Nick till at least mid season to see what has changed with this team on the field. Doesnt have to be all wins either. Just style, motivation and improvement in some areas. 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Continuing CB talk.  How big is the talent drop from the top 4 to Asante Samuel Jr.?

Big. Not great speed and shorter than we would like.  Not a ball hawk either.  Good technique.  No indication he is a film junkie and tell spotter like his dad.  He is listed as #5 CB on a lot of these draft sites because of name recognition.  Probably closer to #7 or 8. 

48 minutes ago, RLC said:

Horn is not getting past 12.

might go before 12

52 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

4 QB in the first 4 picks which will force another team to trade up for the one left. Five going top 10 will push someone back for the Eagles. 

11 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

might go before 12

Cowboys....you watch 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Can anyone provide a player who dropped because of injury concerns that had further injuries due to the one they had in college?

You mentioned Jonathan Allen and the shoulder.  He's part of the foundation of that defense in Washington.

Sidney Jones has missed games but none of them are related to his achilles injury

DK hasn't missed a game yet. 

Joe Burrow on the other hand didn't miss any games at LSU and had his knee destroyed last year.  Injuries are just hard to get a hold of.

If Caleb Farley is healthy, then I say you pull the trigger at 12 or with a small trade down.

I wouldn’t touch someone with a spine surgery at 12.

I thoroughly enjoyed Fran’s film work with Sirianni.  I really liked him talking about the plays like a person playing chess.  That is what I enjoy about football.  It is choreographed and strategized to take advantage of what the other team is doing.  

I also loved his disdain for banana routes.  I hate receivers that round routes. After hands that is the most fatal flaw that kills receivers careers. Feint and stick a foot in the ground.  That creates separation much better than speed.  

That is also why you want CBs that can play man.  In zone, you want to mirror the receiver when he comes into your zone.  Fluid hips and placement matter so much for CBs.  This whole idea that Gannon will play Cover 2 so we need a lesser level of CB is so flawed. 

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

 

Guess it's safe to say he won't be there for us then. 

2 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Guess it's safe to say he won't be there for us then. 

 

Yeah I wouldn't be shocked if Dallas takes him as the first CB ff the board.  They do a great job drafting. 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah I wouldn't be shocked if Dallas takes him as the first CB ff the board.  They do a great job drafting. 

I know, it really sucks.