5 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's not fair to expect any late 3rd rounder to be an impact player.

Using 2020 as an example, there was only one player after pick 80 in RD3 that was an immediate hit (Julian Blackmon). You could maybe argue Malik Harrison, Terrrell Burgess and Matt Peart. All were high-end backups.

Agreed. What the Eagles need to come out of this draft with is 2 almost ready to go starters (first and second round picks) and then to add some young pieces to this roster that can either develop in to potentially good starters or can contribute either as rotational pieces or as depth guys long term.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, his testing was worrisome for sure.  Not sure what I don't like more.  The fact that he just isn't an elite athlete or the fact that he skipped the season, had all year to train for his Pro Day, and that's the best he could do.  Either he didn't take it serious or he just isn't that explosive.

With that being said, I think at 37 you have to consider him.  One thing's for sure, 6-7 265 lb guys with an 83'" wingspan who run 4.70 40s don't grow on trees.  I'll take 21 reps at 225 with that arm length.  The 30" vert and 9'7" broad jump are the numbers that are what concern me.  

Just look at Texas DE Joseph Ossai.  He was 6-4 256 at his pro day with a 41.5" vertical and a 10' 11" broad jump.  Sheesh...maybe I need to look at more of his tape.

Link to majority of pro day results:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-draft-pro-day-schedule-and-results-tracker-with-measurements-times-for-top-prospects/

Elerson Smith jumped 41+

I am with you - DE has to be an elite athlete

 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's not fair to expect any late 3rd rounder to be an impact player.

Using 2020 as an example, there was only one player after pick 80 in RD3 that was an immediate hit (Julian Blackmon). You could maybe argue Malik Harrison, Terrrell Burgess and Matt Peart. All were high-end backups.

I think a high end backup would be an improvement for what the Eagles have been doing.  I think a high end backup does provide immediate impact.  Might not be a starter but will see the field.  Prior to last year and taking Davion Taylor, the Eagles didn't have a 3rd round pick in 2018 and 2019.

In 2019, there were 81 players drafted between JJAW and Shareef Miller.  Just look at the guys who went in the next 10 picks after JJAW.  What a disaster he was.  Forget the DK stuff.  I'd take any of those safeties in a heartbeat.  There are A LOT of good players who went in those 81 picks.

60- S Nasir Adderly

61- S Taylor Rapp

63- S-Juan Thornhill

64- WR DK Metcalf

66- WR Diontae Johnson 

 

In 2018, 76 players were drafted between Goedert and Avonte Maddox.   For all the love DG gets around here, Mark Andrews was taken almost 40 picks later, has had a much better career. 

		Receiving
Rk	Player	From	To	AV	G	Rec	Yds	TD	Y/R	Lng
1	Mark Andrews	2018	2020	25	45	156	2105	20	13.5	74
2	Dallas Goedert	2018	2020	11	42	137	1465	12

 

Point I'm trying to make is the 3rd round is such an important round in building your team.  We've skipped the round completely as of late and last year took a huge project in Davion Taylor.  It's almost like the Eagles think rounds 2-4 are where you gamble and then in 5--7 is where you find cheap starters.

 

 

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

In 2019, there were 81 players drafted between JJAW and Shareef Miller.  Just look at the guys who went in the next 10 picks after JJAW.  What a disaster he was.  Forget the DK stuff.  I'd take any of those safeties in a heartbeat.  There are A LOT of good players who went in those 81 picks.

60- S Nasir Adderly

61- S Taylor Rapp

63- S-Juan Thornhill

64- WR DK Metcalf

66- WR Diontae Johnson 

Those are 2nd rounders! (difference in quality between a 2 & 3).

I will never forgive passing on Thornhill for JJAW. Thornhill was so clearly the right pick at the time...

On 4/16/2021 at 5:00 PM, The guy in France said:

Brady, HURTS, Fitz, Dak, Cousins, Wilson, Garropolo, Carr and Lock so 9 but a couple of these could change in a couple of weeks

I was figuring that SF is likely to draft a QB.  I also think Was or Denver may as well but who knows. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Those are 2nd rounders! (difference in quality between a 2 & 3).

I will never forgive passing on Thornhill for JJAW. Thornhill was so clearly the right pick at the time...

i wanted Adderly there. so about the same

21 minutes ago, RLC said:

Those are 2nd rounders! (difference in quality between a 2 & 3).

I will never forgive passing on Thornhill for JJAW. Thornhill was so clearly the right pick at the time...

I know.  I'm just showing the talent that is available when you skip 80 picks.  They knew they didn't have a 3rd round pick.  They JUST took Miles Sanders what was it 3 picks ahead of JJAW?  They should be able to look at the board and say wow we have a long gap between now and our next pick.  Maybe we could trade down 5-7 picks, MAYBE pick up a 3rd or another 4th that would help them move back up in to the 3rd instead of taking JJAW

I'm far from a draft expert but I do know that watching 80 and 76 players go off the board while sitting on your hands is not a good way of improving your team.

I've always been a believer that your 1st round pick should/needs to be a Day 1 starter and that the meat of the draft, the guys who really build your team are taken in round 2-4.  Rounds 5-6 are where you build the bottom of your roster/take a chance on guys.

The Eagles seem to have the complete opposite mindset.  Round 1, take a guy who can sit and learn.  Round 2-4, take risks and projects.  Round 5-7, let's find starters.  UDFA, guys we depend on the most.

According to Spotrac The Eagles are 14th in cap space in 2022 and 15th in 2023. We have 3-4 1st round picks over the next 2 offseasons. It’s amazing how people overreact every year.

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It’s not ridiculous and I have seen him play.  The NFL is not college and the Eagles are not close to being complete.  A team who is starting to build something doesn’t draft a TE in the top half of the 1st round.  You don’t start a build with a TE.  Maybe makes sense for another team with not as many holes, but not our team.  And regardless of his designation, all we have to go buy is what we’ve seen thus far.  And that was at TE.  Sure, move him outside.  He’ll be a big WR that runs somewhat fast for NFL standards.   Ok? Great.  Still not something you build around.  

The Eagles would take him if he was there at 12.  
 Pitts is the 2nd best player in this draft and the least likely to bust, which is why he won’t make it out of the top 6. Ok? Great. 

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

Only for a 3-4 defense, his coverage skills are questionable, his value is as a blitzing LB off the edge.

I agree.

Given the current makeup of our roster, is there any position that needs an upgrade more than CB? One could apply wishful thinking to every position group and convince oneself that we're fine there. However, I don't think that even the most delusional fan would say that regarding CB. I see no scenario where CB isn't addressed in either the first or second round. 

Hats off to him for coming back from that terrible injury and making the playoffs and winning CBPOY. Not a bad way to go out.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hats off to him for coming back from that terrible injury and making the playoffs and winning CBPOY. Not a bad way to go out.

 

Surprised he didn't end up in Jacksonville, I thought it would be a lock. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hats off to him for coming back from that terrible injury and making the playoffs and winning CBPOY. Not a bad way to go out.

What's an ig?

Ooohhhhh, an ig.

 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hats off to him for coming back from that terrible injury and making the playoffs and winning CBPOY. Not a bad way to go out.

Good for him.

Speaking of guys with destroyed knees. McKenzie Milton is battling for the starting job at FSU as a transfer.  Never thought he'd play again let alone be in contention to start at a major program like Florida State.  I doubt he'll ever be the dynamic guy he was at UCF but great to see him back on the field.

 

1 hour ago, MillerTime said:

According to Spotrac The Eagles are 14th in cap space in 2022 and 15th in 2023. We have 3-4 1st round picks over the next 2 offseasons. It’s amazing how people overreact every year.

OTC has them 23rd and 28th.

32 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

According to Spotrac The Eagles are 14th in cap space in 2022 and 15th in 2023. We have 3-4 1st round picks over the next 2 offseasons. It’s amazing how people overreact every year.

I mean yeah the team was 4-11-1 and traded away their franchise QB taking on a $34 million dead cap hit.  Everything is great.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean yeah the team was 4-11-1 and traded away their franchise QB taking on a $34 million dead cap hit.  Everything is great.  

But hey at least the building didn't collapse, amirite?

Has Eagles trading with Bucs at 32 , for a 4th and a 6th , I don’t think so . Those late rd picks are garbage. , and a 4th to drop from 32 to 37 , wouldn’t do it for me , a 3rd or 2 4ths

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-mock-draft-solak-2.0

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Has Eagles trading with Bucs at 32 , for a 4th and a 6th , I don’t think so . Those late rd picks are garbage. , and a 4th to drop from 32 to 37 , wouldn’t do it for me , a 3rd or 2 4ths

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-mock-draft-solak-2.0

Paye and Stokes looks like a horrible start.  And the fact that theyve given extra picks to do it 

I could see it happening. 

 

52 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Given the current makeup of our roster, is there any position that needs an upgrade more than CB? One could apply wishful thinking to every position group and convince oneself that we're fine there. However, I don't think that even the most delusional fan would say that regarding CB. I see no scenario where CB isn't addressed in either the first or second round. 

Totally agree that CB is a huge need, but the Eagles will be lining up in 4 and 5 WR sets with one bonafide target in Reagor?  It's pretty tough to imagine that Fulgham, JJAW, Ward, Hightower or Watkins would be starters on any other NFL team -- any of them.

WR is a huge need as well -- and cannot wait until picks 168 and 200

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Paye and Stokes looks like a horrible start.  And the fact that theyve given extra picks to do it 

I could see it happening. 

 

If Kwitty Paye is the Eagles first round pick I'm tuning out the rest of the draft.  That would be such horrid evaluation of talent to take a 2nd round prospect in most drafts and use pick #12 on him.

Stokes isn't bad -- but using 3 draft picks on him?  That's Pumphrey and Hollins-level bad drafting

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Is Tommy Lawlor trying to prepare us for a Howie draft.  This would be it for sure.

http://igglesblitz.com/2021/04/eagles-mock-2-0/

 

Interesting Day 4 picks. 

20 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean yeah the team was 4-11-1 and traded away their franchise QB taking on a $34 million dead cap hit.  Everything is great.  

Another factor is the eagles need to give goedert a new deal, mailata needs a new deal and sanders will be eligible at the end of the year for a new deal. Also sweat or Barnett are also likely getting a new deal. 

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Paye and Stokes looks like a horrible start.  And the fact that theyve given extra picks to do it 

I could see it happening. 

 

You see some of these mocks , and you have to question how closely they are following teams , the majority make no sense , and they have some teams drafting a position that is already a strength