2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Arians knows his offense.

All QBs should be drafted to throw, not run.  I wish I could say the same about ours.

Yet we've invested two first round picks, two 2nds, one 5, and one 6 in people to catch the football...and now have two RBs who are supposed to excel in the passing game...someone is going to have to be not running and throwing it to them.

He has perfect situation , sit and learn from Brady for a year or two , step in and QB a good team , although I Think he will be doing it for Leftwitch , because I think Bruce retires if they win it all again this year . If he doesn’t teams may poach both the OC and DC next off season, hate to see it , but they would get 4 , 3rd rd picks

Saw an interesting stat that Gainwell played 20 percent of his snaps split out wide or as a wildcat QB during his final college season. 

I keep looking at yesterday's selection, combined with out cap situation and next year's strong EDGE class, and thinking "when does the Barnett trade" happen. Teams may not have the cap room to get him, but once the season starts that becomes less an issue with each passing week and pass-rusher is always high on team's wish list.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Mills gets dumped on a lot around here, but he was the anti-Sydney Jones.   Mills never had a moment's hesitation about stepping on the field to compete against anybody.  Not the greatest matchup, bought the double move too much and had no makeup speed, but the guy was a battler who never gave up on a single play.   He was matched up on Julio Jones on the final play of the NFC Divisional game.  I have no doubt that if that was Darby, we lose that game.  Mills battled him the entire play...

 

I for one will miss him this year.   I know that puts me in the minority, but I prefer guys who keep their heads up, no matter what to the ones that look at the ground after they are beat.  And he was beat often, but on a team with a good CB opposite, where you could roll the safety over the top to his side, he was a 'good enough' CB to win.   And we did win with him.   He'll be one of my many favorites from that Super Bowl team for a long long time.

Mills had his moments. 

He was mostly infuriating for his celebratory antics that might occur mere plays or minutes after getting toasted deep (remember when Fletcher Cox put him into place on the cameras...)

Besides that, he was a nice CB for us.  Schwartz always did a bad job of scheming around his DBs.  Mills was a competitor with a short memory who was at his absolute best at the goal line.

Should be telling that he got a job with the Pats.

Just now, The guy in France said:

Needs to be able to do both, mobile QB’s seem to rule the day don’t you think ? He needs to learn to bide his time a bit more, rolling out of the pocket can buy him a second or a few and good to be able to do

If mobile means navigate pocket , then yes , but if your mobile is take off and run , then no , I prefer a QB who is wired to move around in pocket , deliver ball or throw it away , not one who is inclined to tuck and run , because in their minds , it’s never a bad time to run

Just now, eagle45 said:

Mills had his moments. 

He was mostly infuriating for his celebratory antics that might occur mere plays or minutes after getting toasted deep (remember when Fletcher Cox put him into place on the cameras...)

Besides that, he was a nice CB for us.  Schwartz always did a bad job of scheming around his DBs.  Mills was a competitor with a short memory who was at his absolute best at the goal line.

Should be telling that he got a job with the Pats.

Oh, he was far from perfect, but as a 7th round pick... he was a home run.

6 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Needs to be able to do both, mobile QB’s seem to rule the day don’t you think ? He needs to learn to bide his time a bit more, rolling out of the pocket can buy him a second or a few and good to be able to do

Just so I can try to keep up with this... who are these mobile QBs that 'rule the day'?

 

Here's the last 20 SB winning QBs.
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs
Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs
Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs
Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs
Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 53: Tom Brady (Julian Edelman), 0TDs
Super Bowl 54: Patrick Mahomes (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 55: Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs

 

How many were 'mobile' by your definition?   I count 3, maybe... maybe 4.

Can’t believe Johnson fell so far to Broncos  , and they got Sterns my 2 favorite safeties 

 

 

11 hours ago, Right4thePicking said:

Looking at kadarius toney, we made a mistake. Should have stayed the course and traded down with the bears. I was listening to a Pittsburgh Steelers fan and their discipline is much better than ours drafting. If you study Pittsburgh very rarely do the trade in the first round.

I was like you until it was made known that the Pies didn’t want to trade back that far and the Giants only traded back because Smith wasn’t available. In other words, Dallas would’ve traded back before us. For yours and my dream to come true Slater or Mac would’ve been picked before Dallas leaving Surtain or Horn AND Smith. Play it out, worst that happens we get Smith at 12 since we know Dallas declined the tradeback. Giants indicated they rather have Smith than the picks and in that case we get pick 20 + 2022 1st

 

18 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Needs to be able to do both, mobile QB’s seem to rule the day don’t you think ? He needs to learn to bide his time a bit more, rolling out of the pocket can buy him a second or a few and good to be able to do

I don't think mobile QB's are in at all.

Mahomes may be mobile, but he's no runner.  For all his improvisational highlights, his real numbers and productivity come from staying on script and being a great passer.  Ditto Aron Rodgers, Russ Wilson, Watson, and Josh Allen.  Net average of that group scrambles about 5 times per game.  They may be athletic, but they are passers.  All of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round QB's from this draft will not be glorified RB's in the NFL.

Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson sit around 9-10 scrambles per game...and those numbers go up against tougher defenses and critical situations.  And they are problematic as passers.  This is not the blueprint for success.

Hurts was 13.5 per start when you account for only playing 1 half against WTF.  Nearly identical number to Miles Sanders.

The guy is a glorified running back.

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

  

 

Great pre-draft Breakdown of Dickerson by Simms - his 3rd overall OL prospect.

- Believes he can come in and instantly challenge for best C in the league.

- Can do everything, block for power, technique, speed, recognition, footwork etc.

- Nasty dude always looking to hit people.

- extraordinary strength for an interior blocker.

- Top 20 overall player in the draft.

- Says his film is pretty much perfect.

- Would take him in the first RD, regardless of injuries.

SImms wants him to marry his daughter.

Though you could see why Howie was willing to take a chance with him, in a thin draft, if he's healthy, it's like getting two top 20 picks, and this kid could easily start at either guard position.

One benefit of a big center is it give you more flexibility at OG, Kelce has to have help to handle big DTs, then he peels off to the second level, Dickerson won't need help against any DT. That means your can put a Mathis type athletic guard next to him and let him release to the second level on run plays, or pull, knowing Dickerson will neutralize the biggest NTs.

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Saw an interesting stat that Gainwell played 20 percent of his snaps split out wide or as a wildcat QB during his final college season. 

Competition for Hurts?

 

 

 

Sorry, had to.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think mobile QB's are in at all.

Mahomes may be mobile, but he's no runner.  For all his improvisational highlights, his real numbers and productivity come from staying on script and being a great passer.  Ditto Aron Rodgers, Russ Wilson, Watson, and Josh Allen.  Net average of that group scrambles about 5 times per game.  They may be athletic, but they are passers.  All of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round QB's from this draft will not be glorified RB's in the NFL.

Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson sit around 9-10 scrambles per game...and those numbers go up against tougher defenses and critical situations.  And they are problematic as passers.  This is not the blueprint for success.

Hurts was 13.5 per start when you account for only playing 1 half against WTF.  Nearly identical number to Miles Sanders.

The guy is a glorified running back.

You're jumping to conclusions off four games in a drastically different scheme than the one Sirianni will run.

The Indy/Reich offense focuses far more on pass protection, and uses tiered routes to get targets open quickly, so Hurts will be coached to get the ball out instead of taking off with it when his protection breaks down waiting for his deep routes to get separation.

15 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

If mobile means navigate pocket , then yes , but if your mobile is take off and run , then no , I prefer a QB who is wired to move around in pocket , deliver ball or throw it away , not one who is inclined to tuck and run , because in their minds , it’s never a bad time to run

Sure, but I can understand the impetuous to create a positive play when there is a good chance of a loss if I’m an unseasoned QB trying to make an impression. He got his feet wet so now I expect a bit more patience and less panic

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

You're jumping to conclusions off four games in a drastically different scheme than the one Sirianni will run.

The Indy/Reich offense focuses far more on pass protection, and uses tiered routes to get targets open quickly, so Hurts will be coached to get the ball out instead of taking off with it when his protection breaks down waiting for his deep routes to get separation.

OK, let's just assume he's going to turn into Drew Brees with a fast release and multiple reads on 3 step drops then.  Jumping to conclusions would be assuming Hurts can be a passing QB in the NFL.

28 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Good thing we traded for Avery.  Perfect fit.

Schwartz liked his fastballs, until he didn't. That used to be a staple of his defenses.

Avery never made sense as a DE, way too short, and Schwartz didn't use him as a joker.

Avery was a LB in college, so it makes sense to try him there before writing him off.

Overall Im very pleased with the draft

Smith was my favorite player even last year, Im thrilled we got him.  Its weird but I felt the same way about DJ, I just knew we were somehow going to get him even though I had my doubts as the draft played out.  Total stud

And the 2nd and 3rd picks are very strategic from a risk/reward standpoint.  Cant complain at all

And then we have some legit guys from the later rounds who can compete for spots.

No throwaway picks, no wildass decisions that you have to sit and wonder about. Everything they did made sense to me and it feels like theres a cohesive plan, and that's a great start for the new staff IMO

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

OK, let's just assume he's going to turn into Drew Brees with a fast release and multiple reads on 3 step drops then.  Jumping to conclusions would be assuming Hurts can be a passing QB in the NFL.

Hurts to me is a top tier backup/low end starter long term. His athleticism gives him a high floor and the ability to win you some games. But like you, I don't see a high end passer which is what you want in a long term starter.

Now with that said, he is supposedly a very hard worker. I'm willing to give him the  season to prove me wrong. But Howie did the smart thing in accumulating draft resources to make a trade next year if he isn't the guy. The good news is that our own draft pick should be high, so hopefully we don't need to trade the farm to get a passer.

One thing on Dickerson was his comments of shall I make the 10 hour drive now?  One, he can afford an air fare now, but was also willing to get to Philly ASAP and had looked how far it was to drive. Says a lot about him as a person

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

Hurts to me is a top tier backup/low end starter long term. His athleticism gives him a high floor and the ability to win you some games. But like you, I don't see a high end passer which is what you want in a long term starter.

Now with that said, he is supposedly a very hard worker. I'm willing to give him the  season to prove me wrong. But Howie did the smart thing in accumulating draft resources to make a trade next year if he isn't the guy. The good news is that our own draft pick should be high, so hopefully we don't need to trade the farm to get a passer.

Yup. Howie did a good job this year so far cleaning up the mess that he created. We weren't in a position to land a top QB (unless anyone wanted Jones or Fields) so letting Hurts audition for the year while loading up on assets to make a move next year if he falters makes all the sense in the world.

Also given next year is likely a wash, a BPA draft was absolutely the right approach. Whether or not he can identify the BPA is another issue, but either way it was not the year to reach for positions of need

10 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Grimes seems reminiscent of Mack Hollins and Hank Baskett...all 3 of whom are bigger, taller, faster athletes than JJAW and Fulgham.  He can get going and get deep when you give him a runway, but is very linear.

Some people call him a special athlete, but most call him a slow stiff on the field.

Nice UDFA pickup...if he wasn't losing all his targets to a player who captures very similar matchups in Pitts, he would have been drafted for sure.

Hollins and Baskett ??? Backhand compliment, 2 top 20 picks R’s on the same field with him. A hidden gem very possibly 

The thing about this draft is that it was disciplined, they stuck to their draft board, reacted when needed, but never went off the reservation.

Howie miscalculated that only 3 QBs would be off the board, I think he saw Horn, Surtain, Smith and Waddle as equivalent, and that one would be available at #12. When he realized that wasn't unfolding the way he wanted, he was decisive, made the overpay to get the elite player. But the players taken around #84 aren't close to the value to the Eagles of getting an elite WR.

Dickerson is a gamble, but Samuel really wasn't a great fit outside and I think Barmore was off their board b/c of inconsistent motor. Richie Grant at S, meh, Moehrig would have been the better choice. Joseph has talent but character concerns, of course Dallas took him! So it's pretty credible that DIckerson was the BPA for them.

Moving back from 70-73 added a 6th, while Donohue may have been peeved, they ended up getting similar players to the ones they missed, McPhearson v Robinson, Tuipolutu v McNeill, while getting a player that they had targeted - that's why you trade down when you have a group of players you consider equivalent. I think Williams has a lot more upside than McNeill, but isn't as "plug and play" as a DT.

McPhearson will probably get a shot at the Moore role in our defense, may start outside until they upgrade, but would be a good fit for that NCB/3S role.

Gainwell reflects the emphasis on RBs as receivers in the Reich offense, Scott is ok in that role, Sanders really struggled last season. I remember a 5'8 201 lb RB who was a great receiver who had a pretty good career here.

Tuipulotu may not be quite as talented as McNeill, but actually has longer arms and a similar build, another high character guy.

Tarron Jackson is a try hard guy, but don't compare him to Cole, Cole was undersized but had great leg explosion, Jackson doesn't. He's going to be on the bubble every year, but he'll work hard in practice, he'd probably be a UDFA in the 2022 draft.

Stevens slowed down when he bulked up, which limits him as a LB, and may not cover well enough for safety. ST and package player at best, another 2022 UDFA type.

And that's why they traded down with WFT, after the Stevens pick, they were adding bodies, so better a 2022 5th than two guys who you could sign after the 2022 draft.

Patrick Johnson is a first rate athlete without a position, like Avery he has to find a role at LB or excel on STs, b/c they don't use a joker enough to justify a roster spot for a stand up pass rusher. Another 2022 UDFA.

35 minutes ago, TEW said:

Hurts to me is a top tier backup/low end starter long term. His athleticism gives him a high floor and the ability to win you some games. But like you, I don't see a high end passer which is what you want in a long term starter.

Now with that said, he is supposedly a very hard worker. I'm willing to give him the  season to prove me wrong. But Howie did the smart thing in accumulating draft resources to make a trade next year if he isn't the guy. The good news is that our own draft pick should be high, so hopefully we don't need to trade the farm to get a passer.

By high you mean the 32nd pick, of course.

I thought they had 4 picks in round 6, but only saw 3 picks.  What happened to that extra one?

3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

By high you mean the 32nd pick, of course.

Obviously.

Just now, Penn7980 said:

I thought they had 4 picks in round 6, but only saw 3 picks.  What happened to that extra one?

Packaged it with a 7th for a 2022 5th I believe.