7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

That same honestnfl account tweeted that Dickerson was Stoutland's highest rated player ever tied with Lane.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Probably missing out on players like Jaylon Smith, Ajayi and Metcalf would be my guess.

 

21 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont think they really loaded up on DL.

They got a potential starter at DT, and a rotational DT.

They drafted one roster bubble DE.

The other DE they drafted will be playing LB.

These arent really guys expected to be the future stars of the DL. I dont think any of these guys would preclude them from drafting a top prospect next year. 

Agreed they took a few swings before next year essentially but none of them are high probability successes

11 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I actually like Jacoby Stevens as a safety to linebacker transition prospect.

The only red flag here is our franchise's downright repulsive history with these picks.

In isolation?  Makes perfect sense.

I definitely like him a heck of a lot more than when we drafted Gerry

19 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Even if they think those guys are better, but not future top end starters, then I'm good on them passing.  Yeah you can win with an OK QB but the vast majority of the time teams who are successful are successful with stud QBs.  So unless they think they can get one I'm perfectly fine with them accumulating future picks and giving themselves a better shot at landing someone special in the future. 

So give Hurts a year, give him a healthy OL and give him some weapons and see what happens.  Absolute worst case scenario?  He sucks, Miami is great and Wentz gets hurt so we end up with a high first late first and 2 seconds, and we have a young core at both OL and skill positions for the next guy. I'm totally OK with that worst case scenario.

Exactly, i was being over defensive. My ying to their yang

We have an entirely new medical staff. That explains why players who would have been "No" before, could now be "Yes"

46 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Rather than quick to pull the trigger, I'd say it's quick to give him the damn job.

2nd round pick perceived as a reach, bad passer in 4 games, now he's a week 1 starting QB in the NFL.  I'd say giving the guy a shot is premature.

It could be argued not quick enough 😏. 265 ypg passing and 75 rushing, too many T/O’s and sacks so the jury is out on him for me. I think he will be improved and I guess you don’t. Ce la vie

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not to dump on Mills, but Jones slipped and fell.  And once Ryan left the pocket, Mills missed out on the opportunity to push Jones out of the end zone.  If the throw was a foot to the left, we lose, as Mills was on the ground while Jones was elevating for the ball. 

Also, Darby was in coverage on Jones at the end of the opener the following season and did a better job in coverage.

That isn't the play I'd go to. 

Mills was battling to the end.  Both slipped on that play, likely for a reason due to the weather and poor footing.   But, Mills was absolutely battling on that play, as he battled on every play.  There's a reason that he was better in the red zone.  Biting on double moves and aggressiveness doesn't hurt in the RZ, you can't get beat deep.   That's his style, unapologetically so.   So, I will take a bunch of players like Mills on my team any day over the likes of the Nnamdi's and DRC's that we have seen roll through here.   

30 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Even if they think those guys are better, but not future top end starters, then I'm good on them passing.  Yeah you can win with an OK QB but the vast majority of the time teams who are successful are successful with stud QBs.  So unless they think they can get one I'm perfectly fine with them accumulating future picks and giving themselves a better shot at landing someone special in the future. 

So give Hurts a year, give him a healthy OL and give him some weapons and see what happens.  Absolute worst case scenario?  He sucks, Miami is great and Wentz gets hurt so we end up with a high first late first and 2 seconds, and we have a young core at both OL and skill positions for the next guy. I'm totally OK with that worst case scenario.

This is the reason I was open to drafting Lance (obviously before he went to the 9ers, who obviously had the same view as I did).

He was high risk, but the upside is there to be a long time pro bowl level QB. Getting a guy who ends up as the 10th-15th best QB in the NFL probably ends with some playoff appearances but no rings. Really the only exception to this rule that I can think of is Eli Manning.

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

We have an entirely new medical staff. That explains why players who would have been "No" before, could now be "Yes"

Do we have a new strength and conditioning team as well?  To me that's the big problem.   

Kind of ironic that a team who's facility is named after injury rehab and PT has the absolute worst luck with injuries. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

- On paper, I really like Stevens as a LB. He’s tough, physical, can cover TEs and RBs. He’s a conversion so he will have to maintain that ability while adding about 15-20 pounds. At the very least, he seems like he will be a productive special teams player. Maybe he can become sort of like Ike Reese.

Not sure he needs to add bulk, I think he needs to just add some more functional strength.  If he manages to add about 5-10lbs, but gets stronger overall, I think that's fine.  Part of the reason you want a guy like him in that role is to be able to cover RBs.  And if he gains too much bulk, then he likely loses some of this ability.  Personally, I'd be fine with him focusing much more on the technique of the position than adding bulk.   Willie T 3 decades ago managed to play WLB in the NFL at a very high level for about a decade plus... at a little over 220 lbs.   I've seen Stevens listed as as high as 230lbs.   The NFL.com website shows him at 212 lbs.  But ESPN and LSUsports list him at 230.  So, maybe he needs to get back to 230 (which would be adding 15-20 lbs), or maybe he cut weight to try to be more of a safety, and his actual playing weight was normally closer to 230 than 210.   I think 225-230 is a good weight for him to work to maintain, with more strength and better technique, I don't see the need for more bulk.

Only 7 UDFAs?  Sign James Smith.  Sign Peyton Ramsey as QB #4. 

54 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Wait.. it was the same knee twice.   Ugh.  That's worse than I thought.   So, for all of those who said, "ACLs are no big deal" and that "after surgery the knee is stronger"... well, there goes that notion.   This is a HUGE red flag to me now.  I thought it was different knees, which is bad (especially when you add the ankle injuries in), but this is worse.   

I really like the kid, but this just has Metcalf fingerprints all over it, just like overdrafting Hurts last year had Wilson fingerprints on it.   They overcorrected not getting Wilson, by drafting Hurts a round too early.  And now, they over correct not selecting Metcalf (which I was fine with, because of his neck injury), by grabbing Dickerson.   Seems not much has really changed inside the mind of Howie.  He's still trying to right the mistakes of the past, just as he brought Desean back, even when that was never going to be a great idea, and overpaid to do so.  They even looked into bringing Lesean McCoy back.  That wouldn't have been very helpful either.

50 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

That same honestnfl account tweeted that Dickerson was Stoutland's highest rated player ever tied with Lane.

There's no denying his football talent.  I just wonder how much of it we'll be able to see.

47 minutes ago, RLC said:

We have an entirely new medical staff. That explains why players who would have been "No" before, could now be "Yes"

I hope they are right.   Count me in the Missouri crowd - "Show me".    

2 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’ll put money on it now... first pick will be DL 

If we are picking top 4, which I think will happen pretty easily, I would look to try to get a bounty spread across 2022-2023. Keep the engine of picks red hot. It's going to be needed as this division made strides in the right direction. This will be another 3 years of acquiring quality talent to get to the top. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

Seemed like more running highlights than passing highlights, though the throws were pretty nice.  He can put zip on the ball and throw it on a hard line or he can put loft on it when needed.  Would be interested in seeing more throws, especially to the sidelines.  That first throw at 0:41 was a 50yd laser with mid/low trajectory.  That wasn't a lofty bomb.  He's really only played 1 season (only had 14 pass attempts in '17 and '18, did not play in '19, transferred from Auburn to Liberty) and only had 265 pass attempts.  Another full season to better evaluate him would be preferred.  In 2020 he played what I would consider to be 4 quality teams:  Syracuse, Virginia Tech, NC State and Coastal Carolina.  Liberty's only loss was to NC State and he had his worst game:  13-32 (40.6%), 172yds, 2 TDs, 3 INTs, sacked 3 times, 15 carries for 44 yards.  Syracuse he didn't put up big stats, but was efficient both passing and running.  His best game was vs VaTech throwing 3 TDs with no INTs and a 66.7% while also rushing for 108 yards on 19 carries with 1 TD in a 38-35 win.  They won the bowl game vs Coastal Carolina, though he did it more on the ground than through the air.  He had 137 yards on 21 carries with 4 TDs while going 19-29 for 220 yards with zero TDs and 2 INTs.

Would like to see him throw a bit more and run a bit less in 2021 and see how he does.  He does seem to have potential and upside, but the way he played in 2020 isn't sustainable in the NFL. 

 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

When it comes to Landon Dickerson I get this thought in my head that the Eagles have drafted one player in the last 50+ picks who has gone to a Pro Bowl -- Carson Wentz.  With Dickerson you not only get a guy who can play C and play G at a high level, you get a guy who can be the captain of the OL.  The guy was more than respected on that Alabama team; he was an inspirational leader -- as a transfer.

DAL took Jaylon Smith in the 2nd round because their doctor performed the surgery on him and was confident his leg would recover.  I think it's possible Stoutland had some information on Dickerson that other teams don't have.  For a player who has the talent to make multiple Pro Bowls, I like taking a shot on him at #37.

Is there any 6'6" centers in the league? I'd much rather have him at OG and try to get a high level center to replace Kelce next draft or off-season if Kelce is done. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

A lot of D-Backs on that list.  I REALLY wish the Eagles would have taken a chance on one of those safeties or another corner.

I also really like 

Jaelon Darden's game.  He's a poor man's DJack/Tyreek Hill.  Clearly doesn't have that elite speed but I see bits and pieces of their game in him.

Jevon Holland is going to be nice too. I was hoping he fell but never even made it to 37

4 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Is there any 6'6" centers in the league? I'd much rather have him at OG and try to get a high level center to replace Kelce next draft or off-season if Kelce is done. 

Mitch Morse 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

How do you know what the draft board was to know if they stuck to it ?? 
 

And it was obvious the minute Denver acquired Bridgewater that both Corners would be gone by 10,   The first 10 players off the board were set a week ago.

Also, what draft board are you looking at since there about three different ones 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Mitch Morse 

So, one. I personally want Landon at OG. Grab your high level C next offseason whether free agency or draft, if Kelce is done.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wait.. it was the same knee twice.   Ugh.  That's worse than I thought.   So, for all of those who said, "ACLs are no big deal" and that "after surgery the knee is stronger"... well, there goes that notion.   This is a HUGE red flag to me now.  I thought it was different knees, which is bad (especially when you add the ankle injuries in), but this is worse.   

I really like the kid, but this just has Metcalf fingerprints all over it, just like overdrafting Hurts last year had Wilson fingerprints on it.   They overcorrected not getting Wilson, by drafting Hurts a round too early.  And now, they over correct not selecting Metcalf (which I was fine with, because of his neck injury), by grabbing Dickerson.   Seems not much has really changed inside the mind of Howie.  He's still trying to right the mistakes of the past, just as he brought Desean back, even when that was never going to be a great idea, and overpaid to do so.  They even looked into bringing Lesean McCoy back.  That wouldn't have been very helpful either.

There's no denying his football talent.  I just wonder how much of it we'll be able to see.

It's very concerning.  I really hope he stays healthy because he's a stud.  He's everything you want in a player.  

Here's something to keep an eye on.  Landon Dickerson in the 2nd vs. Trey Smith in the 6th.  

Another concerning thing is that the draft process seems to change every year.  Below is a snippet of the BGN draft overview.  

However, it is hard to ignore that this class maintains a philosophy of toughness and grit that was not prevalent in last year’s draft class. In 2020, the team bet on athletes who tested well.

Howie/the Eagles are never consistent with what they want in a draft.  Every year it seems to change.  One year they want college production, the next they want athletes who test will, now they want grit and toughness.  

I mentioned it yesterday but 99% of the time you know how the Steelers, Patriots, Packers, Chiefs, Seahawks, Ravens and even the Cowboys are going to draft.  They have their set philosophy of what they want and they get them, even their late round picks.  I had a feeling with every team that passed on Jabril Cox that he would end up a Cowboy.  You know Quincy Roche is going to be a player for the Steelers in that defense.  Shaun Wade a Raven...he fits what they do.  It's why (Cowboys excluded) these are the top teams year in and year out.  

Until the Eagles figure out what the heck they actually want and stop changing their draft philosophy I think we're going to be stuck in this purgatory.

I really hope this draft is the turning point and a foundation of the next decade of Eagles football.  But what happens if toughness and grit doesn't work?  Next year we change draft philosophy again and try to figure out another draft strategy. 

42 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure he needs to add bulk, I think he needs to just add some more functional strength.  If he manages to add about 5-10lbs, but gets stronger overall, I think that's fine.  Part of the reason you want a guy like him in that role is to be able to cover RBs.  And if he gains too much bulk, then he likely loses some of this ability.  Personally, I'd be fine with him focusing much more on the technique of the position than adding bulk.   Willie T 3 decades ago managed to play WLB in the NFL at a very high level for about a decade plus... at a little over 220 lbs.   I've seen Stevens listed as as high as 230lbs.   The NFL.com website shows him at 212 lbs.  But ESPN and LSUsports list him at 230.  So, maybe he needs to get back to 230 (which would be adding 15-20 lbs), or maybe he cut weight to try to be more of a safety, and his actual playing weight was normally closer to 230 than 210.   I think 225-230 is a good weight for him to work to maintain, with more strength and better technique, I don't see the need for more bulk.

He cut weight supposedly to test better to show teams he could play safety. He‘ll need to gain that weight back and maybe then some. 

10 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Is there any 6'6" centers in the league? I'd much rather have him at OG and try to get a high level center to replace Kelce next draft or off-season if Kelce is done. 

I agree, though I think Driscoll might be able to start at center.

55 minutes ago, TEW said:

This is the reason I was open to drafting Lance (obviously before he went to the 9ers, who obviously had the same view as I did).

He was high risk, but the upside is there to be a long time pro bowl level QB. Getting a guy who ends up as the 10th-15th best QB in the NFL probably ends with some playoff appearances but no rings. Really the only exception to this rule that I can think of is Eli Manning.

Nick Foles, Brad Johnson, new backup QB Joe Flacco.