Anyone got a bad feeling the Eagles will draft a QB in the first round?

[T-1000]

Calling Kyle Pitts a TE tells me you don't know jack crap about him. If Chase isn't there at 6 he should the guy. He is a mismatch nightmare for defenses with the different things he can do for an offense.

[macgregor]

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Calling Kyle Pitts a TE tells me you don't know jack crap about him. If Chase isn't there at 6 he should the guy. He is a mismatch nightmare for defenses with the different things he can do for an offense.

Not saying I do. He's listed as TE.

[T-1000]

Just now, macgregor said:

Not saying I do. He's listed as TE.

Google, it's your friend.

[macgregor]

34 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Google, it's your friend.

I get it. He's the Alshon replacement. There's value in a player like that. His highlights actually make Trask look better than Trask's own highlights. He's not too fast. But I guess when you're 6-6 and can fight for the ball, perhaps he could fill that Alshon role. I'm not huge on a receiver at 6 to be honest. Though i'm fine with Chase, I'd take Sewell if he's there, or trade back to get Surtain or Farley first. We have 2 great TEs(and a good one) that can be used like this still.

[EricAllenPick6]

10 hours ago, CaliEagle said:

I have a feeling the Eagles want Mac Jones.

I read something about this yesterday, and this is my greatest fear.

 

[macgregor]

14 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

I read something about this yesterday, and this is my greatest fear.

 

I'm curious where you're thinking Jones would go if you don't want him. I'm thinking he might slip and that the Eagles could trade up with their 3rd for him(or ASam2).

[Cochis_Calhoun]

41 minutes ago, macgregor said:

I get it. He's the Alshon replacement. There's value in a player like that. His highlights actually make Trask look better than Trask's own highlights. He's not too fast. But I guess when you're 6-6 and can fight for the ball, perhaps he could fill that Alshon role. I'm not huge on a receiver at 6 to be honest. Though i'm fine with Chase, I'd take Sewell if he's there, or trade back to get Surtain or Farley first. We have 2 great TEs(and a good one) that can be used like this still.

Last year we had two above average tight ends and Zach Ertz who wasn't good, plus Rodgers is a restricted free agent as of the league year starting and we have no money..

[Bwestbrook36]

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Calling Kyle Pitts a TE tells me you don't know jack crap about him. If Chase isn't there at 6 he should the guy. He is a mismatch nightmare for defenses with the different things he can do for an offense.

I'm not a fan of these big ass receivers that weigh that much they tend to struggle getting in and out if cuts and run crisp routes that playing outside requires. The only 2 I can think of that were that big and succeeded was Calvin Johnson ( ran a 4.35)  and Mike Evans. 

[QBhunter58]

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Calling Kyle Pitts a TE tells me you don't know jack crap about him. If Chase isn't there at 6 he should the guy. He is a mismatch nightmare for defenses with the different things he can do for an offense.

same Chase is my number one and then Pitts

[The Blackfish]

14 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

Wilson supposedly has ego. He comes from a rich parents, and is somewhat spoiled. This is the knock on him. While Wilson is an excellent QB...I am pretty sure he would fail in Philadelphia. It is a wrong city for him to start his career. My hope is to find a developmental gem somewhere late in the draft at QB. 

That’s a story that has been denied by Wilson’s teammates and coaches.  
 So the bigger question is which slimy, weaselly, slimy, NFL GM would put a story out there to hurt Wilson’s draft stock so he falls a bit in the draft?  Hmmm. 
 Josh Allen’s tweets come back,  Larry Tunsil gas mask, again which NFL GM would pull this stuff off, or have it done for them, Belichick, cough, Roseman, cough, any of them really. 

[QBhunter58]

12 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

That’s a story that has been denied by Wilson’s teammates and coaches.  
 So the bigger question is which slimy, weaselly, slimy, NFL GM would put a story out there to hurt Wilson’s draft stock so he falls a bit in the draft?  Hmmm. 
 Josh Allen’s tweets come back,  Larry Tunsil gas mask, again which NFL GM would pull this stuff off, or have it done for them, Belichick, cough, Roseman, cough, any of them really. 

yup. 

[Outlaw]

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'm not a fan of these big ass receivers that weigh that much they tend to struggle getting in and out if cuts and run crisp routes that playing outside requires. The only 2 I can think of that were that big and succeeded was Calvin Johnson ( ran a 4.35)  and Mike Evans. 

Watch Pitts film. His route running is superb. 

[Bwestbrook36]

14 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Watch Pitts film. His route running is superb. 

I'll have too. Those guys make me nervous but, it would be great to land someone with that size and skill set and have it turn into a great player. 

[T-1000]

1 hour ago, QBhunter58 said:

same Chase is my number one and then Pitts

Smart guy you are.

[Uscg-green]

14 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

You got to have thick skin to start your career, as a QB in Philly. In 1985 another QB, who used to run a lot, was also drafted in the second round by the Eagles. Randall Cunningham. Though it took him many years to get to the Super Bowl..eventually he won. Maybe this is where similarities end? But  I am very optimistic about Hurts, and am excited to watch him next year.

Or how about we just abuse our QBs less?

[olsilverhair]

4 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Google, it's your friend.

your friend is a warm turd

[macgregor]

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Last year we had two above average tight ends and Zach Ertz who wasn't good, plus Rodgers is a restricted free agent as of the league year starting and we have no money..

You can judge them from last season if you want. I refuse to do that. We had a QB mutinee, and a head coach that had no answer but to run a predictable offense that was destined to fail. That's how I see it. I see our entire receiver corps and tight ends as victims. I will withhold from judging them for last season.

[Bwestbrook36]

16 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

Randall Cunningham. Though it took him many years to get to the Super Bowl..eventually he won

Cunningham went to a super bowl and won?? Someone should tell him because he probably didn't know that 

[CaliEagle]

36 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Cunningham went to a super bowl and won?? Someone should tell him because he probably didn't know that 

I think it was the year after Buffalo won their first.

[Traveler Vic]

1 hour ago, CaliEagle said:

I think it was the year after Buffalo won their first.

Eating crow. I had 3 beers last night and was thinking of 1998 amazing season.

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Cunningham went to a super bowl and won?? Someone should tell him because he probably didn't know that 

Eating crow. I had 3 beers last night and was thinking of 1998 amazing season.

[flyerdog]

8 hours ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

I read something about this yesterday, and this is my greatest fear.

 

agreed...that would be a Howie move...but I've heard that many are expected him (Mac Jones) to shine during the combine and possibly push himself (according to some) into the top 5...but have to remember that he was throwing to Waddle and Devonta Smith...so....

[PoconoDon]

3 hours ago, flyerdog said:

agreed...that would be a Howie move...but I've heard that many are expected him (Mac Jones) to shine during the combine and possibly push himself (according to some) into the top 5...but have to remember that he was throwing to Waddle and Devonta Smith...so....

There is no Combine this year. Only Pro days at their schools.

[SNOORDA]

If you really like  a qb and he is there you take hi. If your the eagles and stash him next year. They have the rest of the draft AND potentially two 1st rounders next year to build around him

Wts i would certainly not force the issue of grabbing a qb at #6(or moving up) unless it’s what you think the future at qb. That’s what got us in this mess in yhe 1st

[Random Reglar]

13 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Google, it's your friend.

Kyle Pitts IS a TE.

1st team All American Tight End.  PFF has an All American list,  he's first team AA there, too.

Someone could read 500 words from 10 different places,  but he's still a TE.    He could be the best TE of all time at defeating press man coverages split wide like a WR,  but he plays the Tight End position.

I'm not saying that he shouldn't be the pick.  It seems to me that Pitts will be catching passes in the NFL more than he's blocking inline.   And, like so many TEs these days, he can line up in a number of places.   If Pitts is really fast,  I think it would be quite good for a QB, espcially in the red zone, to have a very fast 6'6 target.

If you're going to compare pass catchers, I would think there would be more uncertainty about the 2 WRs than Pitts.   The argument about Pitts is that TEs just aren't worth as much as WRs.  

I would think that if the Eagles aren't trading down, best case scenario is that Pitts crushed it at pro day, great 40 time and all the rest, and the Eagles take Pitts.  Oh, he's a top 1% sparq beast who is really a 6'6 WR,  a bigger and more polished and more versatile and overall better version of Darren Waller (who was an X, Split End in college).  

The Eagles with Jalen Hurts at QB could look a lot like the Ravens with Lamar Jackson.  And in the playoffs, it was clear that the Ravens would've benefitted by having another big red zone threat.    Generally speaking you assume the running QB to be very good at running and maybe not as good at passing.  So,  when passing,  it might be better to have big targets who are easy to hit. 

If you have an experienced pocket QB who loves to throw passes before the WR makes his cut, you'd probably want the most polished route runner.  maybe that's Smith? 

Was watching Chase.    Has everyone forgotten that it was Joe Burrow throwing all those passes to Chase?   

I read somewhere in an analysis of Kyle Trask that, sure, he had 43 TDs,  but he was throwing to Pitts and Toney, so he really isn't that good.  But both Burrow and Chase are both super great?  Alabama will have had, after this draft,  2 QBs - Tua and Mac Jones,  and 4 WRs - Jeudy, Ruggs, Waddle and Smith -  all drafted in the first round in the last 2 years.  But they're all super great.   Hurts at least duplicated his high output with 2 different teams with great receivers,  Alabama, with those 4 mentioned, and Oklahoma with Lamb.

These top QBs in college are throwing to better receivers than the average NFL team has.  I wasn't that impressed by Chase.  Part of it is Burrow,  he being the clearly best QB last year as everyone said,  the other had to do with little things in the highlight reel  like Chase stepping out of bounds for no apparent reason.    It seems to me that Chase to the Bengals with the overall 5 pick is what really should happen.  Burrow to Chase was good in college.  Do that again.    Just watched highlights of Chase vs Toney.  LSU had Burrow, Justin Jefferson and Chase.   I'm really not all that impressed with Chase.  Toney - Florida Gators, Brian Johnson - really can do a lot of stuff that you don't see Chase or Smith do.  Toney is by far the more electric runner,  he's not only incredibly elusive, but he breaks tackles.   Completes a 50 yard pass which looked like it went 60 air yards.  Was a HS QB,  Toney - at Florida - made a lot of big runs from the QB spot,  also jet motion and other motions from the slot. 

Chase is good at getting behind the defense and catching long TD passes.  He had the 2nd most catches on the LSU team in his great year.  He's also quite good at contested catches, but,  if I'm going to be throwing the ball 40, 50 yards downfield, and there might be a contested catch,  do I really want to be throwing it to a 6'0 208 receiver?  Or would I rather throw it to a 6'6 239 pound type like Pitts,  if I'm throwing a long pass that might be a contested catch?  Or maybe a fast 6'4 guy?   Perhaps Chase is an amazing route runner which allows him to get wide open a lot?   Chase is said to be some sort of great open field runner.  I don't see it.  Toney comes across as 5 times better as runner.  And we're comparing a top 1st guy with a 2nd or 3rd guy.  We know that Toney isn't yet a polished route runner, but he did get 70 catches last year.  And there were 4 years of solid highlight plays from him,  often running or throwing.  Not just 1 great year and another year with 23 catches as with Chase.  Chase and Smith do look like professional receivers, but,  in each case there were 1st round QBs throwing to them, and other 1st round WRs on the field at the same time.  So, maybe that's a factor?

Pro day numbers should be important here.  How fast and the rest of the sparq numbers are Pitts, Toney, Chase and Smith?  If Smith or Chase are in the 4.2 or 4.3,  and Toney is 4.5 and Pitts is 4.6, then I might think differently.     Pitts is tall, that's something we already know, and we can see him producing well as a pass catcher in the end zone on short TD catches.  Running QBs like Hurts tend to have a fairly easy time moving the ball between the 20s because them running,  but sometimes it becomes a little more difficult in the red zone.  Having an extra big target, especially a fast one, seems like it could be quite useful to a running QB.    Lamar threw most passes to Mark Andrews and Hollywood Brown.  With Hurts, it could be Pitts and Toney.   

[Jeep_man]

Kyle Pitts might be the next OJ Howard, definitely not worth Pick no.6..