4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Aww, thanks for the kind words. I kmew I could count on you to always put things into proper perspective. 

Every time I log into the EMB I get 30 notifications..."WGB has responded to your post"

Just saying

14 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I dont think either party has an edge when it comes to stupid people

For the billionth time, Im not a Republican.  I supported Trump and everyone knows that.  But Im not some big GOP cheerleader either, O just happen to agree with more of their general policies than the Democrats

Of course but if it was up to them theyd probably still be testing it and billions more would be dead.  Give credit where its due

^adult conversation from an adult who clearly knows the difference between foreign and domestic private enterprise, the CDC, the FDA, and the president

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

People who have medical issues that make the vaccine dangerous aren't in my definition of "eligible." Breaking this down, here's how I see the groups:

1. GOP/Q'Anon/Trump voters -- whatever you want to call them, all the data says this is the largest group. They are fed by Fox, Newsmax, OANN, etc. They scream it's about freedom, but really it's about one thing -- "owning the libs." If Trump were in office, they'd be getting the shots. But they are led by morons like Tucker and GOP governors. This group is likely beyond hope through any means other than coercion like I listed above.

2. Minority Communities -- Tuskegee...OK, it was wrong. If this made people hesitant initially, I can understand that. Over a hundred million people have gotten the shots now. That excuse no longer holds water. 

3. Left-wing anti-vaxxers -- the original anti-vaxxers led by their heroine Jenny McCarthy. These people are beyond hope. 

4. Lazy ass people -- this is a bigger group than we think. Coercion would work here -- they will get the shot when they see negative consequences that motivate them to get off their arse.

Which is why I floated the idea that the administration should get over their Trump derangement, swallow their tongues when he crows about it, and ask him to join in their effort, but they won't, which says a lot about how committed they really are.  Hell, he's got a rally coming up in Alabama doesn't he?  A Trump endorsed vaccination site at the rally would seem a great idea.  Either that, or just invite Trump supporters to go hunting, and hit them with the vaccine in a blowdart when they fall asleep in the tree stand.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

^adult conversation from an adult who clearly knows the difference between foreign and domestic private enterprise, the CDC, the FDA, and the president

What???   

So you dont believe Trump is responsible for fast tracking the vaccines?  

Cant acknowledge reality because of your TDS.  Sad!

2 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Which is why I floated the idea that the administration should get over their Trump derangement, swallow their tongues when he crows about it, and ask him to join in their effort, but they won't, which says a lot about how committed they really are.  Hell, he's got a rally coming up in Alabama doesn't he?  A Trump endorsed vaccination site at the rally would seem a great idea.  Either that, or just invite Trump supporters to go hunting, and hit them with the vaccine in a blowdart when they fall asleep in the tree stand.

That's if you believe he would actually ever do that.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

Which is why I floated the idea that the administration should get over their Trump derangement, swallow their tongues when he crows about it, and ask him to join in their effort, but they won't, which says a lot about how committed they really are.  Hell, he's got a rally coming up in Alabama doesn't he?  A Trump endorsed vaccination site at the rally would seem a great idea.  Either that, or just invite Trump supporters to go hunting, and hit them with the vaccine in a blowdart when they fall asleep in the tree stand.

They should ask him, but if we're being honest, he'd likely refuse. His only interest is for things to go terribly on Biden's watch. Let's not act like either side would put politics aside for the good of the country. 

I liked the idea someone floated on Real Time last week. Offer Trump $100 for every person who gets vaccinated and tells the nurse they did it for Trump. He isn't motivated by anything other than money and self-interest. Use that to our advantage.

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

What???   

So you dont believe Trump is responsible for fast tracking the vaccines?  

Cant acknowledge reality because of your TDS.  Sad!

No. He's not the entire reason we approved them when we did. That's something a child says when trying to build up their own self esteem. Adults don't devolve into hero-worship fantasy if they have a firm grasp of the facts and can still operate in reality.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

No. He's not the entire reason we approved them when we did. That's something a child says when trying to build up their own self esteem. Adults don't devolve into hero-worship fantasy if they have a firm grasp of the facts and can still operate in reality.

He is quite literally the person responsible for Warp Speed. Fact.

it's not as if trump came out & told his supporters to not get the vaccine...i'm pretty sure he didn't do that.  what he did do was downplay the severity of the pandemic...he admitted as much. he also made fun of mask wearing.  i don't remember him speaking out against the vaccine though.

it's more a matter of the same folks with a built in distrust of government who fell for his obvious lies and bullsheet...they're the ones now falling for obvious lies and bullsheet about the vaccines. add in a healthy dose of fox news (and worse) and you have a group of maroons who believe the lies they see their equally moronic friends share on facebook and all the nonsense they see on fox news. they have trump in common but i don't link trump directly to the vaccine hesitancy.  

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

They should ask him, but if we're being honest, he'd likely refuse. His only interest is for things to go terribly on Biden's watch. Let's not act like either side would put politics aside for the good of the country. 

I liked the idea someone floated on Real Time last week. Offer Trump $100 for every person who gets vaccinated and tells the nurse they did it for Trump. He isn't motivated by anything other than money and self-interest. Use that to our advantage.

There is nothing Trump likes more than it being about him. If they asked him, he would make a big deal about them asking him, about them needing him, but he would absolutely do it.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

He is quite literally the person responsible for Warp Speed. Fact.

He's not the entire reason the vaccines were developed and approved as fast as they were. You are a child living in a fantasy world. This behavior is not healthy.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

There is nothing Trump likes more than it being about him. If they asked him, he would make a big deal about them asking him, about them needing him, but he would absolutely do it.

yeah...i saw a meme joking that they should call it "trump juice" and then all his supporters would get it. exaggeration for sure but some might listen if he really came out & starting pushing vaccines. 

2 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

There is nothing Trump likes more than it being about him. If they asked him, he would make a big deal about them asking him, about them needing him, but he would absolutely do it.

No he wouldn’t.

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

He is quite literally the person responsible for Warp Speed. Fact.

they're waaaaay too late to the party but you finally have turtlehead mcconnell promoting the vaccines....and lady g as well. of course he had to get covid before he started promoting the vaccine. 

 

7 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

There is nothing Trump likes more than it being about him. If they asked him, he would make a big deal about them asking him, about them needing him, but he would absolutely do it.

Agree to disagree. But, if they haven't asked, they clearly should.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Agree to disagree. But, if they haven't asked, they clearly should.

And if they have, and he’s refused, they should hit him with it.

26 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Every time I log into the EMB I get 30 notifications..."WGB has responded to your post"

Just saying

I know the feeling. You'd be surprised what going through life at around 5'5 does to a person's psyche. That dude is messed up.   

Zuke, what makes you think the guy who tried a coup to stop Biden from becoming President would want to help the Biden administration? I’m not seeing it.  Of course, Trump is supposed to be reinstated in eight days, so maybe he’s waiting until next week to launch his own initiative.

@Green Dog

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Moderna says COVID-19 vaccine booster will likely be needed before winter

https://www.wkrn.com/news/moderna-says-covid-19-vaccine-booster-will-likely-be-needed-before-winter/

The drug companies saw Netflix's subscription based business model and just couldn't resist. 

4 minutes ago, Kz! said:

@Green Dog

https://www.wkrn.com/news/moderna-says-covid-19-vaccine-booster-will-likely-be-needed-before-winter/

The drug companies saw Netflix's subscription based business model and just couldn't resist. 

Yeah, and Pfizer says they don't want to give the booster before September 30th because they want to give other countries more time to give their citizens the vaccine.  I'm guessing if there's more breakthrough cases the momentum will start building to make it earlier though.

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

Yeah, and Pfizer says they don't want to give the booster before September 30th because they want to give other countries more time to give their citizens the vaccine.  I'm guessing if there's more breakthrough cases the momentum will start building to make it earlier though.

It will be interesting what they tell people with the J&J to do. Sounds like San Fran is already letting people get one of the mRNAs so that's nice.

I don't know, but the Lambda Chi Alpha Omega variant is gonna kick your ass.  Or so I heard.

Whether you "need" a booster is a much different proposition compared to whether you needed to be initially vaccinated. If you're primarily interested in simply protecting yourself against severe disease that could land you in the hospital, a booster is probably going to be of limited benefit. Maybe you're bumping an efficacy of 96% to 99% or somewhere thereabouts. 

But if your goal is to protect against moderate or even mild symptomatic disease, or further, limiting the likelihood of transmission all together because you live with at risk or unvaccinated individuals, then the boosters could provide a more significant benefit. Memory B-cells and T-cells can help provide a more durable response against the former, but without mucosal immunity, you need high levels of neutralizing antibodies in circulation to do the heavy lifting of the latter.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Whether you "need" a booster is a much different proposition compared to whether you needed to be initially vaccinated. If you're primarily interested in protecting yourself against severe disease that could land you in the hospital, a booster is going to be of limited benefit. Maybe you're bumping an efficacy of 96% to 99% or somewhere thereabouts. 

But if your goal is to protect against moderate or even mild symptomatic disease, or further, limiting the likelihood of transmission all together because you live with at risk or unvaccinated individuals, then the boosters can provide a more significant benefit. Memory B-cells and T-cells can help provide a more durable response against the former, but without mucosal immunity, you need high levels of neutralizing antibodies in circulation to do the heavy lifting of the latter.

So in your opinion a booster this soon likely isn't necessary