September 7, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Kz! said: Did ishlibs fall for another media contrived hoax? 100% yes. No more than kkz and the gang fell for the election fraud hoax. Does Trump still have your debit card in auto withdraw for your monthly cult dues?
September 7, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: No he doesn't. You're measuring the entire year's Covid cases, but disregarding the fact that in 2020, the first Covid death in the US didn't take place until the last day in Feb. From March 1 2020, until Sept. 7, there were 189K deaths. Tracking those same days in 2021, there were 134K deaths. That's a significantly better death rate and that doesn't even include the fact that the first month + of 2020, the virus was just starting to spread, so the cases didn't really get high until early April. If you take April to Sept 2020, you get 184K, vs. 96K in 2021, which makes Biden's rate even better. Math is hard for them.
September 7, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: You're OPINION doesn't hurt me. I have been vaccinated you dope. It's just so damn sad that you can't function without attaching any subject matter to your political obsessions. I am opinion? And no, this is established fact. It's a political sub forum, discussing a topic highly politicized by the guy you voted for. Crying about "political obsessions" makes you sound like a child who's still sad because their hero lost. https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-july-2021/ Partisanship also plays a major role with more than half (58%) of the "definitely not” group identifying as Republican or Republican-leaning. In addition, religious identity also plays a role as White Evangelical Christians make up nearly twice the share of the "definitely not” group (32%) as the "wait and see” group.
September 7, 20214 yr 51 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: How do you feel about forced vaccinations? Don't support the government forcing anything, but private businesses should be able to do whatever they please.
September 7, 20214 yr 49 minutes ago, DBW said: Not just trump, all the red states. Take a look at the where the highest infection and death numbers are. Texas doesn’t even allow schools to report cases and contact trace so they are complicit in the spikes among kids that’s happening right now. Florida is a crap show. Etc. But Biden runs all these states, right? It doesn’t take a genius to figure it out. WGB answered your question with several key points. Not all was trump related. You chose to ignore that post. Ah, so now we get to blame governors? Because I clearly remember most people in here giving Cuomo a pass on his astronomical death rates because....TRUMP!
September 7, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: Been pretty well documented that I wasn’t a fan. Nice try. Your divisive stereotyping might work with bottom feeders like Kz (you and he and a lot alike btw). But it doesn’t work with those of us who can think on their own and don’t go down a partisan check list every time a different topic is discussed. Ah yes, the quintessential Not-A-Trump-Supporter. Pretending you never liked him as you voted for him twice is so adorable.
September 7, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Ah, so now we get to blame governors? Because I clearly remember most people in here giving Cuomo a pass on his astronomical death rates because....TRUMP! Yeah when you have trumplican governors banning mask mandates and contact tracing and reporting of cases, etc then that’s a problem. And that’s a huge reason for the continued rise in cases. We can easily track this back to the early days when trump claimed it was all a hoax, fake virus, would go away, ignore the science, etc. every single one of these red states are still echoing their failure of a president.
September 7, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: You believe what you want Rachel So Norse kicks us off by complaining about Trump getting blamed for deaths while Biden isn't, then is met with pushback, and instead of calling out Norse for politicizing the discussion, you reply to me. But please tell us more about how much you hate partisan hypocrites.
September 7, 20214 yr 29 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: No he doesn't. You're measuring the entire year's Covid cases, but disregarding the fact that in 2020, the first Covid death in the US didn't take place until the last day in Feb. From March 1 2020, until Sept. 7, there were 189K deaths. Tracking those same days in 2021, there were 134K deaths. That's a significantly better death rate and that doesn't even include the fact that the first month + of 2020, the virus was just starting to spread, so the cases didn't really get high until early April. If you take April to Sept 2020, you get 184K, vs. 96K in 2021, which makes Biden's rate even better. All I'm saying is that at the current trajectory Biden will end 2021 with a similar death total than Trump in 2020. Even if Covid had a full year to run in 2021, but didn't start until Q2 2020...that is more than negated by the fact that we had half the country vaccinated in 2021. I would argue that with our current vaccination rate Biden's death rate is FAR worse as you have to exclude almost half the population that has been vaccinated. We can agree to disagree on the finer points, but by any measure the country will not view this as success. And to be clear, my point here isn't that this is all Biden's fault and that everything is falling apart due to his mismanagement. It is only to point out how ridiculous it is (and was) to blame a president for national death and case rates in a global pandemic. But since that's pretty much all this forum did in 2020...
September 7, 20214 yr 52 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Swedish govt has announced today that restrictions will all be more or less removed as of Sept 29th due to our high rates of vaccination and super low rates of COVID deaths and ICU patients for vaccinated individuals. All cultural events will be back at full capacity and work from home recommendations will be lifted. Vaccine requirements for some activities are under review. The focus is on getting vaccinated people back to normal life. Virus is over like I said for the vaccinated, congrats
September 7, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, DBW said: Yeah when you have trumplican governors banning mask mandates and contact tracing and reporting of cases, etc then that’s a problem. And that’s a huge reason for the continued rise in cases. We can easily track this back to the early days when trump claimed it was all a hoax, fake virus, would go away, ignore the science, etc. every single one of these red states are still echoing their failure of a president. Yes. Debates over mask mandates are clearly on par with allowing Covid positive patients back into nursing homes.
September 7, 20214 yr By beginning of next year we will no longer worry about cases numbers and the only thing the media will have to keep getting clicks and ratings will be some new "scary" variant in Nepal that the my pillow guy thinks may evade vaccines
September 7, 20214 yr 43 minutes ago, The Norseman said: All I'm saying is that at the current trajectory Biden will end 2021 with a similar death total than Trump in 2020. Even if Covid had a full year to run in 2021, but didn't start until Q2 2020...that is more than negated by the fact that we had half the country vaccinated in 2021. I would argue that with our current vaccination rate Biden's death rate is FAR worse as you have to exclude almost half the population that has been vaccinated. We can agree to disagree on the finer points, but by any measure the country will not view this as success. And to be clear, my point here isn't that this is all Biden's fault and that everything is falling apart due to his mismanagement. It is only to point out how ridiculous it is (and was) to blame a president for national death and case rates in a global pandemic. But since that's pretty much all this forum did in 2020... That would take a professional cherry picking job to accomplish. 2021 has vaccines, 2020 had lockdowns. But that's not the crux of it, the real issue always was and continues to be a POTUS who takes ever chance he gets to recommend vaccines, wearing masks and support local lockdowns, versus one who has been lukewarm to hostile against all of those and who continues to encourage his base into the very actions (or lack thereof) needed to tame this mess. You know this damn well so shove your cherry picking contrarian crap up your arse mate.
September 7, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, The Norseman said: Seems to me that the self proclaimed "uniter in chief" shouldn't have to rely on hope. So forced vaccines is your suggestion?
September 7, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Also, fwiw, not yet listed as a VOC by the WHO. Yes they are tragically late to the party typically, but still. Delta seems to be a monster for sure even in Israel that has a high vaccination rate, probably because children are getting hit by this one. They are going to booster number 4 soon, so two ahead of us? Just seems discouraging as hell and not very likely to end anytime soon. I'll get them as they come out, but it seems like we'll always be 4-6 months behind.
September 7, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: I didn't see any of that. And yes, I have called out Kkz, Diehard and others. So spare me with the victimization BS. You make it easy. Especially since I came in here to see information about covid and on the most recent page, I see your woke obsessive arse talking about republicans and Trump.....AGAIN!!!! Trump lost BTW.
September 7, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Delta seems to be a monster for sure even in Israel that has a high vaccination rate, probably because children are getting hit by this one. They are going to booster number 4 soon, so two ahead of us? Just seems discouraging as hell and not very likely to end anytime soon. I'll get them as they come out, but it seems like we'll always be 4-6 months behind. Haven't seen anything about a second booster (4th dose) in Israel. And yeah delta has definitely dampened my optimism a bit, but so far it seems boosters are clearly helping, and hopefully the EUA for kids is coming soon. All these variants are emerging in unvaccinated populations so maybe things start to smooth out a bit once vaccines are rolled out more globally over the next 12-18 months. 10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: I didn't see any of that. And yes, I have called out Kkz, Diehard and others. So spare me with the victimization BS. You make it easy. Especially since I came in here to see information about covid and on the most recent page, I see your woke obsessive arse talking about republicans and Trump.....AGAIN!!!! Yeah funny how that keeps happening.
September 7, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Haven't seen anything about a second booster (4th dose) in Israel. And yeah delta has definitely dampened my optimism a bit, but so far it seems boosters are clearly helping, and hopefully the EUA for kids is coming soon. All these variants are emerging in unvaccinated populations so maybe things start to smooth out a bit once vaccines are rolled out more globally over the next 12-18 months. Yeah funny how that keeps happening. https://www.timesofisrael.com/virus-czar-calls-to-begin-readying-for-eventual-4th-vaccine-dose/ I sure hope so because I was optimistic in June, not so worried about Delta as much now with boosters coming, but Lambda and Mu sound like they'd require something new if they are resistant to vaccines. Maybe we have something for them in the spring and then I'm sure crap will be right behind them.
September 7, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Diehardfan said: https://www.timesofisrael.com/virus-czar-calls-to-begin-readying-for-eventual-4th-vaccine-dose/ Yeah that's likely the delta targeted booster he's referring to. Trials and underway now but approval isn't likely to happen until late winter, early spring. We'll have rolled out our first booster (3rd dose for Pfizer only) by late fall, putting Israel slightly ahead of us by a few months.
September 7, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yeah that's likely the delta targeted booster he's referring to. Trials and underway now but approval isn't likely to happen until late winter, early spring. We'll have rolled out our first booster (3rd dose for Pfizer only) by late fall, putting Israel slightly ahead of us by a few months. "Salman Zarka says COVID-19 is here to stay for and that next booster shot may be adjusted for variants: ‘This is our life from now on, in waves’" That's probably the sad reality.
September 7, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: You make it easy. I remember back before the election you responded to me basically saying that your obsession with Trump would go away once he is voted out. I am sure you won't remember that. I make it easy by responding to the person that first brought up Trump? That doesn't even make sense. Par for the course for you, I guess. And yeah, he's the presumptive nominee, so until that changes, shield your eyes and pucker up that butthole because plenty of more mean words about him are gonna be posted on this forum.
September 7, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: "Salman Zarka says COVID-19 is here to stay for and that next booster shot may be adjusted for variants: ‘This is our life from now on, in waves’" That's probably the sad reality. Let's see how the delta targeted booster fares before we start worrying too much about annual boosters and how prevalent the virus will be in 3 years. Even if we have to get a combo flu+covid shot every winter, I'm not gonna be too bothered if that's all it takes to keep me and my family safe.
September 7, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Let's see how the delta targeted booster fares before we start worrying too much about annual boosters and how prevalent the virus will be in 3 years. Even if we have to get a combo flu+covid shot every winter, I'm not gonna be too bothered if that's all it takes to keep me and my family safe. I've always thought that is how this ends. The problem remains the large group that won't do this, leading to more variants and more hospitalizations. Employers need to start mandating for employees. Insurance companies have to stop paying for the unvaccinated or charge a massive premium. And the Federal Government needs to stop air travel for the unvaccinated. We've reached the limits of positive incentives and education -- we now need real negative consequenes.
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