12 minutes ago, DBW said:

Yeah when you have trumplican governors banning mask mandates and contact tracing and reporting of cases, etc then that’s a problem. And that’s a huge reason for the continued rise in cases.  We can easily track this back to the early days when trump claimed it was all a hoax, fake virus, would go away, ignore the science, etc.  every single one of these red states are still echoing their failure of a president.

Yes.  Debates over mask mandates are clearly on par with allowing Covid positive patients back into nursing homes.   

By beginning of next year we will no longer worry about cases numbers and the only thing  the media will have to keep getting clicks and ratings will be some new "scary" variant in Nepal that the my pillow guy thinks may evade vaccines

I hope Kz doesn't see this

 

43 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

All I'm saying is that at the current trajectory Biden will end 2021 with a similar death total than Trump in 2020.  Even if Covid had a full year to run in 2021, but  didn't start until Q2 2020...that is more than negated by the fact that we had half the country vaccinated in 2021.  I would argue that with our current vaccination rate Biden's death rate is FAR worse as you have to exclude almost half the population that has been vaccinated.  

We can agree to disagree on the finer points, but by any measure the country will not view this as success.  

And to be clear, my point here isn't that this is all Biden's fault and that everything is falling apart due to his mismanagement.  It is only to point out how ridiculous it is (and was) to blame a president for national death and case rates in a global pandemic. 

But since that's pretty much all this forum did in 2020...

That would take a professional cherry picking job to accomplish.  2021 has vaccines, 2020 had lockdowns.  But that's not the crux of it, the real issue always was and continues to be a POTUS who takes ever chance he gets to recommend vaccines, wearing masks and support local lockdowns, versus one who has been lukewarm to hostile against all of those and who continues to encourage his base into the very actions (or lack thereof) needed to tame this mess.

 

You know this damn well so shove your cherry picking contrarian crap up your arse mate.

2 hours ago, The Norseman said:

It's Trump supporters that are keeping us here 

2 hours ago, The Norseman said:

Seems to me that the self proclaimed "uniter in chief" shouldn't have to rely on hope.  

So forced vaccines is your suggestion?

5 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

 

 

 

Also, fwiw, not yet listed as a VOC by the WHO. Yes they are tragically late to the party typically, but still.

Delta seems to be a monster for sure even in Israel that has a high vaccination rate, probably because children are getting hit by this one. They are going to booster number 4 soon, so two ahead of us? Just seems discouraging as hell and not very likely to end anytime soon. I'll get them as they come out, but it seems like we'll always be 4-6 months behind.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I didn't see any of that.  And yes, I have called out Kkz, Diehard and others.  So spare me with the victimization BS.  You make it easy.  Especially since I came in here to see information about covid and on the most recent page, I see your woke obsessive arse talking about republicans and Trump.....AGAIN!!!!  

Trump lost BTW.

10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Delta seems to be a monster for sure even in Israel that has a high vaccination rate, probably because children are getting hit by this one. They are going to booster number 4 soon, so two ahead of us? Just seems discouraging as hell and not very likely to end anytime soon. I'll get them as they come out, but it seems like we'll always be 4-6 months behind.

Haven't seen anything about a second booster (4th dose) in Israel. And yeah delta has definitely dampened my optimism a bit, but so far it seems boosters are clearly helping, and hopefully the EUA for kids is coming soon. All these variants are emerging in unvaccinated populations so maybe things start to smooth out a bit once vaccines are rolled out more globally over the next 12-18 months.

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I didn't see any of that.  And yes, I have called out Kkz, Diehard and others.  So spare me with the victimization BS.  You make it easy.  Especially since I came in here to see information about covid and on the most recent page, I see your woke obsessive arse talking about republicans and Trump.....AGAIN!!!!  

Yeah funny how that keeps happening. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Haven't seen anything about a second booster (4th dose) in Israel. And yeah delta has definitely dampened my optimism a bit, but so far it seems boosters are clearly helping, and hopefully the EUA for kids is coming soon. All these variants are emerging in unvaccinated populations so maybe things start to smooth out a bit once vaccines are rolled out more globally over the next 12-18 months.

Yeah funny how that keeps happening. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/virus-czar-calls-to-begin-readying-for-eventual-4th-vaccine-dose/

I sure hope so because I was optimistic in June, not so worried about Delta as much now with boosters coming, but Lambda and Mu sound like they'd require something new if they are resistant to vaccines. Maybe we have something for them in the spring and then I'm sure crap will be right behind them.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/virus-czar-calls-to-begin-readying-for-eventual-4th-vaccine-dose/

Yeah that's likely the delta targeted booster he's referring to. Trials and underway now but approval isn't likely to happen until late winter, early spring. We'll have rolled out our first booster (3rd dose for Pfizer only) by late fall, putting Israel slightly ahead of us by a few months.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah that's likely the delta targeted booster he's referring to. Trials and underway now but approval isn't likely to happen until late winter, early spring. We'll have rolled out our first booster (3rd dose for Pfizer only) by late fall, putting Israel slightly ahead of us by a few months.

"Salman Zarka says COVID-19 is here to stay for and that next booster shot may be adjusted for variants: ‘This is our life from now on, in waves’"

That's probably the sad reality.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You make it easy.  I remember back before the election you responded to me basically saying that your obsession with Trump would go away once he is voted out.  

 

I am sure you won't remember that.  

I make it easy by responding to the person that first brought up Trump? That doesn't even make sense. Par for the course for you, I guess.

And yeah, he's the presumptive nominee, so until that changes, shield your eyes and pucker up that butthole because plenty of more mean words about him are gonna be posted on this forum.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

"Salman Zarka says COVID-19 is here to stay for and that next booster shot may be adjusted for variants: ‘This is our life from now on, in waves’"

That's probably the sad reality.

Let's see how the delta targeted booster fares before we start worrying too much about annual boosters and how prevalent the virus will be in 3 years. Even if we have to get a combo flu+covid shot every winter, I'm not gonna be too bothered if that's all it takes to keep me and my family safe.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Let's see how the delta targeted booster fares before we start worrying too much about annual boosters and how prevalent the virus will be in 3 years. Even if we have to get a combo flu+covid shot every winter, I'm not gonna be too bothered if that's all it takes to keep me and my family safe.

I've always thought that is how this ends. The problem remains the large group that won't do this, leading to more variants and more hospitalizations. 

Employers need to start mandating for employees. Insurance companies have to stop paying for the unvaccinated or charge a massive premium. And the Federal Government needs to stop air travel for the unvaccinated. We've reached the limits of positive incentives and education -- we now need real negative consequenes.

55 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

That would take a professional cherry picking job to accomplish.  2021 has vaccines, 2020 had lockdowns.  But that's not the crux of it, the real issue always was and continues to be a POTUS who takes ever chance he gets to recommend vaccines, wearing masks and support local lockdowns, versus one who has been lukewarm to hostile against all of those and who continues to encourage his base into the very actions (or lack thereof) needed to tame this mess.

 

You know this damn well so shove your cherry picking contrarian crap up your arse mate.

Yet we are in almost exactly the same place we were at this point last year

 

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

Yet we are in almost exactly the same place we were at this point last year

 

Mostly thanks to unvaccinated Trumplicans. 

2 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Yet we are in almost exactly the same place we were at this point last year

 

You keep saying this but it's not true.

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I've always thought that is how this ends. The problem remains the large group that won't do this, leading to more variants and more hospitalizations. 

Employers need to start mandating for employees. Insurance companies have to stop paying for the unvaccinated or charge a massive premium. And the Federal Government needs to stop air travel for the unvaccinated. We've reached the limits of positive incentives and education -- we now need real negative consequenes.

Or maybe we just accept this as a new normal, like we do the flu.  

Those that are vaccinated should be free to live their lives as they did before the pandemic.  Those who haven't, now have to deal with the consequences.  This national nanny state will never work and the more the government tries to mandate, the more the populous will push back. 

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

You keep saying this but it's not true.

Cases and death rates are increasing, hospitals are filling up, mask mandates are back and travel restrictions are back in effect.  I'm talking about the things people care about.  

4 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Or maybe we just accept this as a new normal, like we do the flu.  

Those that are vaccinated should be free to live their lives as they did before the pandemic.  Those who haven't, now have to deal with the consequences.  This national nanny state will never work and the more the government tries to mandate, the more the populous will push back. 

Like Vikas said, it isn't in the same place as the flu is.  Until it is, we need to have a much stronger response.  Dumba**es that won't get vaccinated need to get the boot from insurance and need to face the choice of keep their job vs stay unvaccinated.  If we take those steps (along with vaccinating kids), then hopefully the numbers drop far enough for it to be treated like the flu.

7 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Mostly thanks to unvaccinated Trumplicans. 

I guess it's only "my body, my choice" when it comes to abortion...eh?  Also, where are all the whacko anti vax hippies that were so vocal about vaccinations before Coivd? 

Believe me, there are plenty of different groups out there who aren't getting vaccinated.  It's not just the red hat crowd. 

4 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Cases and death rates are increasing, hospitals are filling up, mask mandates are back and travel restrictions are back in effect.  I'm talking about the things people care about.  

People care about deaths more than anything.  And death rates aren't where they were, as I already showed a couple of pages ago.

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

I guess it's only "my body, my choice" when it comes to abortion...eh?  Also, where are all the whacko anti vax hippies that were so vocal about vaccinations before Coivd? 

Believe me, there are plenty of different groups out there who aren't getting vaccinated.  It's not just the red hat crowd. 

I said mostly the red hat crowd, not just them. The red hat crowd is in the majority of all the unvaccinated groups. 

5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Like Vikas said, it isn't in the same place as the flu is.  Until it is, we need to have a much stronger response.  Dumba**es that won't get vaccinated need to get the boot from insurance and need to face the choice of keep their job vs stay unvaccinated.  If we take those steps (along with vaccinating kids), then hopefully the numbers drop far enough for it to be treated like the flu.

So now you want to deny health insurance and fire everyone who doesn't want to get vaccinated?  Does that include all the black and brown people in the urban centers?  Or do they get a pass because they vote Democrat?