September 7, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I guess it's only "my body, my choice" when it comes to abortion...eh? Also, where are all the whacko anti vax hippies that were so vocal about vaccinations before Coivd? Believe me, there are plenty of different groups out there who aren't getting vaccinated. It's not just the red hat crowd. For like the 8 millionth time...yes, anyone is free to choose to remain unvaccinated. They have that right. They don't have a right to: - remain employed - fly on a plane - receive health insurance No one is putting anyone in jail for refusing to be vaccinated.
September 7, 20215 yr 27 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I've always thought that is how this ends. The problem remains the large group that won't do this, leading to more variants and more hospitalizations. Employers need to start mandating for employees. Insurance companies have to stop paying for the unvaccinated or charge a massive premium. And the Federal Government needs to stop air travel for the unvaccinated. We've reached the limits of positive incentives and education -- we now need real negative consequenes. Libertarians pushing for government encouraged forced vaccinations. Fascinating.
September 7, 20215 yr Just now, The Norseman said: So now you want to deny health insurance and fire everyone who doesn't want to get vaccinated? Does that include all the black and brown people in the urban centers? Or do they get a pass because they vote Democrat? All of them, you nitwit. Anyone who is unvaccinated and doesn't have a medical reason should be denied coverage or have to pay a massive surcharge.
September 7, 20215 yr Just now, The Norseman said: So now you want to deny health insurance and fire everyone who doesn't want to get vaccinated? Does that include all the black and brown people in the urban centers? Or do they get a pass because they vote Democrat? Um....F yes, I want to include them. Why the hell would I care what color their skin is or where they live?
September 7, 20215 yr Just now, Kz! said: Libertarians pushing for government encouraged forced vaccinations. Fascinating. Screw off. I'm not playing your games and dealing with your trolling and lack of reading comprehension after the weekend I had. Go fish somewhere else.
September 7, 20215 yr Just now, vikas83 said: For like the 8 millionth time...yes, anyone is free to choose to remain unvaccinated. They have that right. They don't have a right to: - remain employed - fly on a plane - receive health insurance No one is putting anyone in jail for refusing to be vaccinated. So just so I'm clear, you are advocating that the federal government should recommend that people that don't get vaccinated should be terminated by their employer, not be allowed to travel and lost the or health insurance? Aren't you supposed to be some sort of libertarian?
September 7, 20215 yr 10 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Cases and death rates are increasing, hospitals are filling up, mask mandates are back and travel restrictions are back in effect. I'm talking about the things people care about. It's a legit observation, but there is a timing issue. Not enough time and study to get the EUA vaccines out before the virus mutated several times so that's the problem I'm seeing. So, are we scrambling to study how well the vaccines are doing? Compared to are they resistant to new strains? Compared to do we need more vaccines?
September 7, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Screw off. I'm not playing your games and dealing with your trolling and lack of reading comprehension after the weekend I had. Go fish somewhere else. Limited government until there's a virus with a 99.98% survival rate, then it's "protect me daddy government!"
September 7, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Um....F yes, I want to include them. Why the hell would I care what color their skin is or where they live? Because that's all your party ever talks about and they make endless concessions for people based upon their race in order to ensure their vote, that's why.
September 7, 20215 yr Just now, The Norseman said: So just so I'm clear, you are advocating that the federal government should recommend that people that don't get vaccinated should be terminated by their employer, not be allowed to travel and lost the or health insurance? Aren't you supposed to be some sort of libertarian? LEARN. TO. READ. I said employers should mandate the vaccine. Not the Federal Government. EMPLOYERS. Insurance companies should charge the unvaccinated more. INSURANCE COMPANIES. The Federal Government does control the FAA. That's their only role in this. I can't with stupid people today. Nevermind. Carry on -- I'm done.
September 7, 20215 yr Just now, vikas83 said: LEARN. TO. READ. I said employers should mandate the vaccine. Not the Federal Government. EMPLOYERS. Insurance companies should charge the unvaccinated more. INSURANCE COMPANIES. The Federal Government does control the FAA. That's their only role in this. I can't with stupid people today. Nevermind. Carry on -- I'm done. Later bro, don't forget to sign up for your vaccine subscription service!
September 7, 20215 yr Never forget, Kz's the "libertarian" who said that the Republican Party needs to use the power of the government to punish their enemies.
September 7, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, The Norseman said: So just so I'm clear, you are advocating that the federal government should recommend that people that don't get vaccinated should be terminated by their employer, not be allowed to travel and lost the or health insurance? Aren't you supposed to be some sort of libertarian? If you want to see where the board libertarians stand when push comes to shove, this thread has done an amazing job exposing them. There's not a government mandate that they didn't whole-heartedly support. Forcibly shut down businesses in the early stages? That's fine. Government enforced mask mandates? Great! Stimulus checks printed and shipped to everyone in the country? Sign them up. As long as the government makes them feel a little more protected. Unreal.
September 7, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: All of them, you nitwit. Anyone who is unvaccinated and doesn't have a medical reason should be denied coverage or have to pay a massive surcharge. Nitwit? 😂 You are suggesting that we relieve people of their health insurance, fire them and bar them from travelling if they choose not to be vaccinated for a virus that is of infinitesimal risk to a healthy person. Do you honestly think that would hold up in at US court? Do you think any politician who mandated even one of these things would ever be reelected?
September 7, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Never forget, Kz's the "libertarian" who said that the Republican Party needs to use the power of the government to punish their enemies. Nope, not a libertarian. I'm an adult.
September 7, 20215 yr 3 hours ago, The Norseman said: Because that's all your party ever talks about and they make endless concessions for people based upon their race in order to ensure their vote, that's why. Oh, so random broad observations that have nothing to do with what we're talking about or my opinion on the matter? Cool. Despite your off topic observation, yes, anyone who doesn't get vaxed should feel the consequences. Personally, I think they should be forced to get the shot in their D, but I realize that's too far for most people, so I'll compromise and say they should just be fired and/or lose their insurance.
September 7, 20215 yr 7 minutes ago, The Norseman said: So just so I'm clear, you are advocating that the federal government should recommend that people that don't get vaccinated should be terminated by their employer, not be allowed to travel and lost the or health insurance? Aren't you supposed to be some sort of libertarian? Sounds to me like he’s advocating that PRIVATE BUSINESSES mandate that their employees get vaccinated.
September 7, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: Nope, not a libertarian. I'm an adult. The Hanson concert you went to disagrees with the bolded part of your post.
September 7, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, vikas83 said: LEARN. TO. READ. I said employers should mandate the vaccine. Not the Federal Government. EMPLOYERS. Insurance companies should charge the unvaccinated more. INSURANCE COMPANIES. The Federal Government does control the FAA. That's their only role in this. I can't with stupid people today. Nevermind. Carry on -- I'm done. Where did you say employers? I don't see that any of your posts specify employer vs. government mandate. In fact you referred to "rights" which means to me federal mandate. But you do what you always do. Drop in and make an ill advised comment and they insult everyone who disagrees and dip out so you don't have to deal with the fallout.
September 7, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Where did you say employers? I don't see that any of your posts specify employer vs. government mandate. In fact you referred to "rights" which means to me federal mandate. But you do what you always do. Drop in and make an ill advised comment and they insult everyone who disagrees and dip out so you don't have to deal with the fallout. He has been very clear on both counts. Employer and Insurance Company.
September 7, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, downundermike said: The Hanson concert you went to disagrees with the bolded part of your post.
September 7, 20215 yr 11 minutes ago, The Norseman said: So now you want to deny health insurance and fire everyone who doesn't want to get vaccinated? Does that include all the black and brown people in the urban centers? Or do they get a pass because they vote Democrat? I think a fairly large surcharge for unvaxxed people would be a better move. As for firing unvaxxed, that should be up to the employer but I wouldn't be against it.
September 7, 20215 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: Limited government until there's a virus with a 99.98% survival rate, then it's "protect me daddy government!" Ummm allowing businesses to fire people who don’t get vaccinated is limited government. Seriously KZAnne how are you not understanding this? It’s the people screaming, "I don’t want to get vaccinated. Protect me daddy government from my company that wants to fire me. Don’t let them do that!” that are calling for big government….
September 7, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Sounds to me like he’s advocating that PRIVATE BUSINESSES mandate that their employees get vaccinated. That's how I understood it.
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