4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

one flight there was US - Taiwan, more than 3 hours. 

the airplanes themselves cycle air frequently. generally they're not seen as a major source of spread, between the air being replaced entirely every few minutes and mask mandates as well as testing for most flights before you're allowed to board.

security lines and hanging about the airport seem like more likely places where you might catch something, but you can distance a bit.

Yeah I agree it’s more likely you’d contract it in the security line or the bathrooms, or even the bar.  I’m just saying 1 in 4300 seems higher than I’d expect if they actually took into consideration all of the flights and more than 1 sick person because I’m sure there are more than 1 person on every flight domestically.  And you also have consider the origin and destinations, flights to and from Florida for example HAVE to be greater odds simply because of how many unvaccinated potentially positive people would be on a flight from Florida to anywhere really.  
 

just saying, it was a cherry picked stat to make a "flying is safe” point but does t factor in all the necessary info to make a generalized statement like that. 

2 minutes ago, DiPros said:

Come back with the evidence that we funded gain of function

It’s next to the suitcases full of Biden ballots.  

5 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 

 

6 prongs???  It must be from Europe.

Joke fail.  Europe outlets only have 2 prongs.  If you were cultured you’d know that.   

2 hours ago, Agent23 said:

My grandparents got vaxxed in like Feb or whenever they started taking care of the 70+. My mom and sister are both part of the anti-vaxx and super pro-trump. I sent my mom the posts about trump being vaxxed, telling the people in alabama to get vaxxed, and even the FPA approval and even when these people would have used LACK of those things as the reason to not get vaxxed, when those circumstances all change they then find some new reason to not do it or those situations all being reversed don't reverse their opinon.

They came to Minneapolis in early June (a pretty well-vaxxed area IMO) and we were at the mall a few times, the zoo, and shoulder to shoulder with tons randos at two separate Twins games.... but 2 weeks from now we are going to Orlando and will be in amusement parks all day, so we'll see if the FL variant kills them or not. 

Keep encouraging them. That's all you can do. 

48 minutes ago, DiPros said:

Come back with the evidence that we funded gain of function

Uhh it’s in the intercept story…

Gotcha Kz…

 

Someone should start a Facebook rumor that Bill Gates is a silent partner in the biggest horse dewormer manufacturer and watch all the Trumptards self immolate.

1 hour ago, DBW said:

Yeah I agree it’s more likely you’d contract it in the security line or the bathrooms, or even the bar.  I’m just saying 1 in 4300 seems higher than I’d expect if they actually took into consideration all of the flights and more than 1 sick person because I’m sure there are more than 1 person on every flight domestically.  And you also have consider the origin and destinations, flights to and from Florida for example HAVE to be greater odds simply because of how many unvaccinated potentially positive people would be on a flight from Florida to anywhere really.  
 

just saying, it was a cherry picked stat to make a "flying is safe” point but does t factor in all the necessary info to make a generalized statement like that. 

It’s next to the suitcases full of Biden ballots.  

It was cherry picked only in the sense that it was one of the few tangible numbers out there on this topic.  I've flown throughout the pandemic, both before and after being vaccinated.  It is well known by frequent air travelers that an airplane is one of the safest public places you can be during a pandemic.  Sounds counterintuitive, I know, but the airlines have put in hepa air filters and instituted a strict disinfectant regimen.  They have had a lot of scientists study viral transmission in sealed aircraft compartments and the results are very good.  

16 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

It was cherry picked only in the sense that it was one of the few tangible numbers out there on this topic.  I've flown throughout the pandemic, both before and after being vaccinated.  It is well known by frequent air travelers that an airplane is one of the safest public places you can be during a pandemic.  Sounds counterintuitive, I know, but the airlines have put in hepa air filters and instituted a strict disinfectant regimen.  They have had a lot of scientists study viral transmission in sealed aircraft compartments and the results are very good.  

Like I said I’m sure that newer planes have all the latest stuff but I’ve been on planes where I can smell plenty of farts, thing that smell like burning electrical, crap I was stuck on a plane for 5 hours in Chicago because if Unidentified smoke that filled the cabin.  Give me a brand new plane and I’m sure the air is fantastic.  But southwest from philly to Florida has some planes that barely fly let alone have clean air.

I don’t deny the value of air filtration.  Health clubs have very little spread because of that reason.  Many that I know of invested 40-60k on new systems.  
 

and I don’t deny that the new systems were studied from a virus and air cleanliness standpoint during their design and implementation phases.  I do however question a 1 in 4300 number that was thrown out there without considering ALL scenarios and factors. It’s like saying hey there’s a thunderstorm out there right now and you have a 1 in 1,000,000,000 chance of being struck by lightning in the wooded Forest if you go stand out there for 2 hours but if I took out all of  the trees and handed you a 2 iron, and said it’s only 1 in 4300 now, I bet my life savings you wouldn’t do it.  

42 minutes ago, DBW said:

Like I said I’m sure that newer planes have all the latest stuff but I’ve been on planes where I can smell plenty of farts, thing that smell like burning electrical, crap I was stuck on a plane for 5 hours in Chicago because if Unidentified smoke that filled the cabin.  Give me a brand new plane and I’m sure the air is fantastic.  But southwest from philly to Florida has some planes that barely fly let alone have clean air.

I don’t deny the value of air filtration.  Health clubs have very little spread because of that reason.  Many that I know of invested 40-60k on new systems.  
 

and I don’t deny that the new systems were studied from a virus and air cleanliness standpoint during their design and implementation phases.  I do however question a 1 in 4300 number that was thrown out there without considering ALL scenarios and factors. It’s like saying hey there’s a thunderstorm out there right now and you have a 1 in 1,000,000,000 chance of being struck by lightning in the wooded Forest if you go stand out there for 2 hours but if I took out all of  the trees and handed you a 2 iron, and said it’s only 1 in 4300 now, I bet my life savings you wouldn’t do it.  

Sorry you didn't like that study.  Seemed pretty conservative to me...assumed all seats filled, smaller aircraft, etc.  Still, the fact is that airplanes are safer than the grocery store. 

6 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Sorry you didn't like that study.  Seemed pretty conservative to me...assumed all seats filled, smaller aircraft, etc.  Still, the fact is that airplanes are safer than the grocery store. 

Your point is ridiculous regardless of the study’s variables. The original conversation was centered around the FAA regulations and TSA security protocols that prevent terrorism/no fly lists, etc.  Someone’s likelihood of dying in a terrorist attack on a plane is far less than 1 in 4300 and yet we still bar certain people from flying and institute strict security measures to prevent it from happening. 

4 hours ago, The Norseman said:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/odds-catching-covid-19-flight-wellness-scn/index.html

Funny. You must've skipped right over the part about mandatory masks allowing for that risk to be so low. 

48 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Funny. You must've skipped right over the part about mandatory masks allowing for that risk to be so low. 

The slim chances are not because of cloth masks that do nothing

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

Your point is ridiculous regardless of the study’s variables. The original conversation was centered around the FAA regulations and TSA security protocols that prevent terrorism/no fly lists, etc.  Someone’s likelihood of dying in a terrorist attack on a plane is far less than 1 in 4300 and yet we still bar certain people from flying and institute strict security measures to prevent it from happening. 

By that measure we should have always required masks and flu shots on airplanes.  The point is where do we draw the line on the government protecting us from ourselves?  

8 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

By that measure we should have always required masks and flu shots on airplanes.  The point is where do we draw the line on the government protecting us from ourselves?  

We draw the line at the worst pandemic in a century. Your freedumbs end when you negligently spread a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease because of gross incompetence or political tribalism. My kids still can't get vaccinated, and another poster's kid just contracted it recently, so take your smooth brain analogies about the flu shove them right up your dumb trump loving ass, you dumb F'ing moron.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

We draw the line at the worst pandemic in a century. Your freedumbs end when you negligently spread a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease because of gross incompetence or political tribalism. My kids still can't get vaccinated, and another poster's kid just contacted recently, so take your smooth brain analogies about the flu shove them right up your dumb trump loving a-hole you dumb F'ing moron.

Spare me your emotional drama and theatrical stands.  I'm vaccinated.  

32 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

By that measure we should have always required masks and flu shots on airplanes.  The point is where do we draw the line on the government protecting us from ourselves?  

Again, you can use the same argument against security measures/no fly lists designed to stop terror attacks, but it’s a level of control we all accept to ensure our safety. We can easily do the same to prevent the infinitely more likely possibility that we contract Covid on a plane. 

9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We draw the line at the worst pandemic in a century. Your freedumbs end when you negligently spread a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease because of gross incompetence or political tribalism. My kids still can't get vaccinated, and another poster's kid just contracted it recently, so take your smooth brain analogies about the flu shove them right up your dumb trump loving ass, you dumb F'ing moron.

Yeah, WGB, stop being emotional about…rereads post….your children. 

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Again, you can use the same argument against security measures/no fly lists designed to stop terror attacks, but it’s a level of control we all accept to ensure our safety. We can easily do the same to prevent the infinitely more likely possibility that we get contract Covid on a plane. 

The nation reluctantly accepted stricter security measures after 9/11 and it was highly controversial then.  This is not even close to the same thing. 

Just now, The Norseman said:

The nation reluctantly accepted stricter security measures after 9/11 and it was highly controversial then.  This is not even close to the same thing. 

Yes, this is more likely to kill you. 

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Yes, this is more likely to kill you. 

so is the flu

Just now, The Norseman said:

so is the flu

The flu isn’t even close to as dangerous as Covid. 

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

The flu isn’t even close to as dangerous as Covid. 

Nor is the flu vaccine even close to as effective a preventative as the COVID vaccine. It's a really bad comparison. 

3 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

Your point is ridiculous regardless of the study’s variables. The original conversation was centered around the FAA regulations and TSA security protocols that prevent terrorism/no fly lists, etc.  Someone’s likelihood of dying in a terrorist attack on a plane is far less than 1 in 4300 and yet we still bar certain people from flying and institute strict security measures to prevent it from happening. 

You do realize that if we didn't have security protocols, that the chance of dying would be greater - not to mention the disruption it would cause to the world economy via all the people who would forgo flying otherwise

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We draw the line at the worst pandemic in a century. Your freedumbs end when you negligently spread a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease because of gross incompetence or political tribalism. My kids still can't get vaccinated, and another poster's kid just contracted it recently, so take your smooth brain analogies about the flu shove them right up your dumb trump loving ass, you dumb F'ing moron.

What an arsehole.  I guess that comes with the territory when you're a Satanist.

 

 

2 hours ago, The Norseman said:

The nation reluctantly accepted stricter security measures after 9/11 and it was highly controversial then.  This is not even close to the same thing. 

They conveniently choose to ignore Sweden.