September 8, 20215 yr 9 hours ago, DBW said: I’ve said this before in other threads and I’ve said it to my friends and family members to their faces, if and when the government decides they want full control of everything, and if/when they come for you guns, there isn’t a damn thing anyone can do about it. You think they’re going to politely ask you to turn in your weapons? Or you think they’ll politely ask you for vaccination card? If you think the government is bad and out to get you and take away all your freedoms now, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Like it or not, this is the world we live in. It could be waaaaay worse. All it’s going to take is the wrong guy running steering the ship. The politicians do a great job of making us fight each other so that when the day comes when they want to drop the hammer, we’ll never see it coming. but that’s a topic for another thread and another day. Vaccines aren’t so bad when you think about what they could really do if they wanted to. Maybe you missed our little adventures in the ME? The government is not omniscient and omnipotent. A bunch of Afghan hillbillies kicked the crap out of the Brits, Russians and Americans. Sent them all running with their tail between their legs. And you think they’re going to be able to go full authoritarian at home? In the US? Against hundreds of millions of the most heavily armed population on Earth? Zero chance. The government will be able to do whatever the population allows it to do. It’s that simple. There isn’t a damn thing the government can do about it because the government relies on compliance from the population.
September 8, 20215 yr Quote Fred Lowry, a councilman for Florida’s Volusia County and a loud COVID-19 denier, is in the hospital with a severe case of COVID-19, according to the County Chair Jeff Brower. "He is in the hospital wrestling with COVID-19. It’s been about three weeks now,” Brower said on Tuesday as Lowry, 66, missed a county council meeting for the second time. Lowry, a Republican halfway through his second term on the Volusia County Council, spread COVID-19 disinformation and conspiracy theories, going so far as to say the pandemic was a hoax. "We were lied to,” he said in a sermon at Denton’s Lakes Baptist Church. Lowry often criticized Dr. Anthony Fauci, whom he nicknamed "Dr. Falsey,” and insisted the top health official was a liar and pervert. Other conspiracies Lowry promoted had to do with media coverage of hydroxychloroquine and the Wuhan lab-leak theory.
September 8, 20215 yr 3 hours ago, Talkingbirds said: if you’re healthy you should survive the flu. Coronavirus vs. Flu Deaths COVID-19: Current COVID-19 deaths* Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide. The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu. *This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering. I'm vaccinated against COVID dude. I have a basic level of resistance to it.
September 8, 20215 yr 18 minutes ago, Kz! said: It’s very telling that the kids want to follow guidelines to keep their fellow classmates safe and the parents are being crap heads about it.
September 8, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: What weird losers This is Florida, right? We’ll done parents. We’ll done. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wfla.com/news/florida/florida-child-hospitalizations-at-68-per-day-as-childrens-hospitals-under-an-unprecedented-strain/amp/
September 8, 20215 yr 11 hours ago, DBW said: I’ve said this before in other threads and I’ve said it to my friends and family members to their faces, if and when the government decides they want full control of everything, and if/when they come for you guns, there isn’t a damn thing anyone can do about it. You think they’re going to politely ask you to turn in your weapons? Or you think they’ll politely ask you for vaccination card? If you think the government is bad and out to get you and take away all your freedoms now, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Like it or not, this is the world we live in. It could be waaaaay worse. All it’s going to take is the wrong guy running steering the ship. The politicians do a great job of making us fight each other so that when the day comes when they want to drop the hammer, we’ll never see it coming. but that’s a topic for another thread and another day. Vaccines aren’t so bad when you think about what they could really do if they wanted to. "They" are us. We have a government of the people...which many of you liberals seem to have selectively forgotten. They serve us and if and when they don't they are voted out. And I respectfully disagree with your conclusion on the government taking over if they wanted to. You make two big assumptions...one is that the military would oblige and participate in this takeover and two is that they wouldn't face a debilitating firefight at every third door they showed up at. Hate on gun ownership all you want, but this country will never be invaded or controlled by any government that they don't want to be. Now, does that mean we shouldn't institute some common sense laws about who we sell to, gun types and mental health screening? No, we absolutely should...and we can debate those rules all we want....but the 2nd amendment serves an important purpose.
September 8, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, The Norseman said: "They" are us. We have a government of the people...which many of you liberals seem to have selectively forgotten. They serve us and if and when they don't they are voted out. And I respectfully disagree with your conclusion on the government taking over if they wanted to. You make two big assumptions...one is that the military would oblige and participate in this takeover and two is that they wouldn't face a debilitating firefight at every third door they showed up at. Hate on gun ownership all you want, but this country will never be invaded or controlled by any government that they don't want to be. Now, does that mean we shouldn't institute some common sense laws about who we sell to, gun types and mental health screening? No, we absolutely should...and we can debate those rules all we want....but the 2nd amendment serves an important purpose. I’m not hating on guns. And not disagreeing that they serve us. Just saying that our guns are no match for the tanks and other fire power that we would be met with. Don’t want to start a big argument on that stuff in this thread….was just ranting last night after a few beers 😆 moving on….
September 8, 20215 yr 15 minutes ago, The Norseman said: "They" are us. We have a government of the people...which many of you liberals seem to have selectively forgotten. They serve us and if and when they don't they are voted out. And I respectfully disagree with your conclusion on the government taking over if they wanted to. You make two big assumptions...one is that the military would oblige and participate in this takeover and two is that they wouldn't face a debilitating firefight at every third door they showed up at. Hate on gun ownership all you want, but this country will never be invaded or controlled by any government that they don't want to be. Now, does that mean we shouldn't institute some common sense laws about who we sell to, gun types and mental health screening? No, we absolutely should...and we can debate those rules all we want....but the 2nd amendment serves an important purpose. This. There's no way the US military would actually attack US citizens.
September 8, 20215 yr 41 minutes ago, The Norseman said: "They" are us. We have a government of the people...which many of you liberals seem to have selectively forgotten. They serve us and if and when they don't they are voted out. And I respectfully disagree with your conclusion on the government taking over if they wanted to. You make two big assumptions...one is that the military would oblige and participate in this takeover and two is that they wouldn't face a debilitating firefight at every third door they showed up at. Hate on gun ownership all you want, but this country will never be invaded or controlled by any government that they don't want to be. Now, does that mean we shouldn't institute some common sense laws about who we sell to, gun types and mental health screening? No, we absolutely should...and we can debate those rules all we want....but the 2nd amendment serves an important purpose. While I agree that I can not see the US military turning their guns on us, who is to say that it would be people themselves? Why couldn't it be perfectly executed drone strikes and advanced military technology that nobody has? Why couldn't it be biological warfare on the citizens targeting certain areas? Killing the power grid in a certain area and sending them back to the stone age until the citizens kill each other? This thought that it would be boots on the ground and this is why it would never happen is so 1980's. We live in a different world now where it is technology, not human lives, running the military and it will only get more advanced. Every empire has come crashing down in one form or another and America will be the same way. This thought that we are some invincible entity built on the mighty power of capitalism and good ole American exceptionalism is exactly why it will eventually fail. To be American is to only care about ourselves and nobody else, even fellow Americans. I mean look at half the posts in this forum - somehow liberals and conservatives are respectively considered second class citizens because people are too shallow and short sighted to see through the nonsense. So either it will be a madman or women that is in control of the military or a virus will wipe us out because we are too stupid to follow common sense guidelines to protect each other.
September 8, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, pallidrone said: While I agree that I can not see the US military turning their guns on us, who is to say that it would be people themselves? Why couldn't it be perfectly executed drone strikes and advanced military technology that nobody has? Why couldn't it be biological warfare on the citizens targeting certain areas? Killing the power grid in a certain area and sending them back to the stone age until the citizens kill each other? This thought that it would be boots on the ground and this is why it would never happen is so 1980's. We live in a different world now where it is technology, not human lives, running the military and it will only get more advanced. Every empire has come crashing down in one form or another and America will be the same way. This thought that we are some invincible entity built on the mighty power of capitalism and good ole American exceptionalism is exactly why it will eventually fail. To be American is to only care about ourselves and nobody else, even fellow Americans. I mean look at half the posts in this forum - somehow liberals and conservatives are respectively considered second class citizens because people are too shallow and short sighted to see through the nonsense. So either it will be a madman or women that is in control of the military or a virus will wipe us out because we are too stupid to follow common sense guidelines to protect each other. Well according to some here, the depopulation process has already begun via the man made covid virus, so by wiping out a % of the population it’s easier to take over. But that might be too flat earthy for a logical discussion here 😆
September 8, 20215 yr 10 minutes ago, pallidrone said: While I agree that I can not see the US military turning their guns on us, who is to say that it would be people themselves? Why couldn't it be perfectly executed drone strikes and advanced military technology that nobody has? Why couldn't it be biological warfare on the citizens targeting certain areas? Killing the power grid in a certain area and sending them back to the stone age until the citizens kill each other? This thought that it would be boots on the ground and this is why it would never happen is so 1980's. We live in a different world now where it is technology, not human lives, running the military and it will only get more advanced. Every empire has come crashing down in one form or another and America will be the same way. This thought that we are some invincible entity built on the mighty power of capitalism and good ole American exceptionalism is exactly why it will eventually fail. To be American is to only care about ourselves and nobody else, even fellow Americans. I mean look at half the posts in this forum - somehow liberals and conservatives are respectively considered second class citizens because people are too shallow and short sighted to see through the nonsense. So either it will be a madman or women that is in control of the military or a virus will wipe us out because we are too stupid to follow common sense guidelines to protect each other. Well, I don't disagree for a second that we are a nation in decline and we will likely succumb to our own internal infighting. Hopefully that's not sooner than later, but at the rate we're going we may not make it out of the decade. As for technology and bio weapons, I suppose you're right. But this is an enormous country, and it parts very rural. History shows us that the opening salvo of toleration regimes is usually to disarm the populous. I think this happens well before bio weapons and drone warfare. But who the hell knows.
September 8, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Well, I don't disagree for a second that we are a nation in decline and we will likely succumb to our own internal infighting. Hopefully that's not sooner than later, but at the rate we're going we may not make it out of the decade. As for technology and bio weapons, I suppose you're right. But this is an enormous country, and it parts very rural. History shows us that the opening salvo of toleration regimes is usually to disarm the populous. I think this happens well before bio weapons and drone warfare. But who the hell knows. I know some will read what I wrote and think it is some sci-fi garbage that will never happen. That would be a mistake to ignore what is going on though. I am not saying that it is some kind of Terminator BS, but drones are very real, they are getting smarter and smaller and in the very near future it would be possible to have one execute a very precise and targeted assassination. Now if you get thousands of these, all in control of one person with a group that is dedicated to that person's vision, you could easily start an internal war with a take over. Even a AR-15 is not going to help you out if there are a bunch of these things out there, especially if they are armed to self destruct if attacked. Again, I highly doubt something like this would ever really happen, at least in my lifetime. I think a much deadlier virus is more likely, especially since this country has proven that it would fall right on it's face and completely fail.
September 8, 20215 yr Just let me know when it's time to pack up and take my guns, 4 wheeler and supplies out to the woods. Thanks!
September 8, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, DiPros said: Just let me know when it's time to pack up and take my guns, 4 wheeler and supplies out to the woods. Thanks! It's too late Di. Grab your huge emergency bottle of vodka and shelter in place.
September 8, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: This. There's no way the US military would actually attack US citizens. Never say never. There once was this thing called the Civil War.
September 8, 20215 yr 37 minutes ago, pallidrone said: So either it will be a madman or women that is in control of the military or a virus will wipe us out because we are too stupid to follow common sense guidelines to protect each other. I would like to think the military scenario is fantasy... Until we saw members of the military and authorities participate in open and violent insurrection against the government. So it makes me wonder what could happen. But to bring it back to topic (sort of): I agree, I believe we could have done a better job managing the pandemic. It would have made our country a lot stronger. But judging by how virtually the rest of the world is struggling the same virus, I don't think we've lost much ground either.
September 8, 20215 yr @Connecticut Eagle Yes, wrongly categoried. We're being lied to because they want you to take the vaccine, the vaccine is a false flag to incorporate several agendas including depopuation, a world wide government (New World Order) that incorporates merging of government and corporations........needless to say it's the one percenters who benefits. The end game is total control over every aspect of your life including when you die, that's right, they'll be able to take your life with any booster shot they mandate because get real, no one knows except those cooking up the shots what's in them.
September 8, 20215 yr 43 minutes ago, EagleVA said: @Connecticut Eagle Yes, wrongly categoried. We're being lied to because they want you to take the vaccine, the vaccine is a false flag to incorporate several agendas including depopuation, a world wide government (New World Order) that incorporates merging of government and corporations........needless to say it's the one percenters who benefits. The end game is total control over every aspect of your life including when you die, that's right, they'll be able to take your life with any booster shot they mandate because get real, no one knows except those cooking up the shots what's in them. Who is "they"?
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