4 hours ago, The Norseman said:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/odds-catching-covid-19-flight-wellness-scn/index.html

Funny. You must've skipped right over the part about mandatory masks allowing for that risk to be so low. 

48 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Funny. You must've skipped right over the part about mandatory masks allowing for that risk to be so low. 

The slim chances are not because of cloth masks that do nothing

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

Your point is ridiculous regardless of the study’s variables. The original conversation was centered around the FAA regulations and TSA security protocols that prevent terrorism/no fly lists, etc.  Someone’s likelihood of dying in a terrorist attack on a plane is far less than 1 in 4300 and yet we still bar certain people from flying and institute strict security measures to prevent it from happening. 

By that measure we should have always required masks and flu shots on airplanes.  The point is where do we draw the line on the government protecting us from ourselves?  

8 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

By that measure we should have always required masks and flu shots on airplanes.  The point is where do we draw the line on the government protecting us from ourselves?  

We draw the line at the worst pandemic in a century. Your freedumbs end when you negligently spread a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease because of gross incompetence or political tribalism. My kids still can't get vaccinated, and another poster's kid just contracted it recently, so take your smooth brain analogies about the flu shove them right up your dumb trump loving ass, you dumb F'ing moron.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

We draw the line at the worst pandemic in a century. Your freedumbs end when you negligently spread a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease because of gross incompetence or political tribalism. My kids still can't get vaccinated, and another poster's kid just contacted recently, so take your smooth brain analogies about the flu shove them right up your dumb trump loving a-hole you dumb F'ing moron.

Spare me your emotional drama and theatrical stands.  I'm vaccinated.  

32 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

By that measure we should have always required masks and flu shots on airplanes.  The point is where do we draw the line on the government protecting us from ourselves?  

Again, you can use the same argument against security measures/no fly lists designed to stop terror attacks, but it’s a level of control we all accept to ensure our safety. We can easily do the same to prevent the infinitely more likely possibility that we contract Covid on a plane. 

9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We draw the line at the worst pandemic in a century. Your freedumbs end when you negligently spread a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease because of gross incompetence or political tribalism. My kids still can't get vaccinated, and another poster's kid just contracted it recently, so take your smooth brain analogies about the flu shove them right up your dumb trump loving ass, you dumb F'ing moron.

Yeah, WGB, stop being emotional about…rereads post….your children. 

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Again, you can use the same argument against security measures/no fly lists designed to stop terror attacks, but it’s a level of control we all accept to ensure our safety. We can easily do the same to prevent the infinitely more likely possibility that we get contract Covid on a plane. 

The nation reluctantly accepted stricter security measures after 9/11 and it was highly controversial then.  This is not even close to the same thing. 

Just now, The Norseman said:

The nation reluctantly accepted stricter security measures after 9/11 and it was highly controversial then.  This is not even close to the same thing. 

Yes, this is more likely to kill you. 

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Yes, this is more likely to kill you. 

so is the flu

Just now, The Norseman said:

so is the flu

The flu isn’t even close to as dangerous as Covid. 

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

The flu isn’t even close to as dangerous as Covid. 

Nor is the flu vaccine even close to as effective a preventative as the COVID vaccine. It's a really bad comparison. 

3 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

Your point is ridiculous regardless of the study’s variables. The original conversation was centered around the FAA regulations and TSA security protocols that prevent terrorism/no fly lists, etc.  Someone’s likelihood of dying in a terrorist attack on a plane is far less than 1 in 4300 and yet we still bar certain people from flying and institute strict security measures to prevent it from happening. 

You do realize that if we didn't have security protocols, that the chance of dying would be greater - not to mention the disruption it would cause to the world economy via all the people who would forgo flying otherwise

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We draw the line at the worst pandemic in a century. Your freedumbs end when you negligently spread a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease because of gross incompetence or political tribalism. My kids still can't get vaccinated, and another poster's kid just contracted it recently, so take your smooth brain analogies about the flu shove them right up your dumb trump loving ass, you dumb F'ing moron.

What an arsehole.  I guess that comes with the territory when you're a Satanist.

 

 

2 hours ago, The Norseman said:

The nation reluctantly accepted stricter security measures after 9/11 and it was highly controversial then.  This is not even close to the same thing. 

They conveniently choose to ignore Sweden.

2 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

cloth masks that do nothing

False.

3 hours ago, The Norseman said:

By that measure we should have always required masks and flu shots on airplanes.  The point is where do we draw the line on the government protecting us from ourselves?  

I’ve said this before in other threads and I’ve said it to my friends and family members to their faces, if and when the government decides they want full control of everything, and if/when they come for you guns, there isn’t a damn thing anyone can do about it. You think they’re going to politely ask you to turn in your weapons? Or you think they’ll politely ask you for vaccination card?  If you think the government is bad and out to get you and take away all your freedoms now, you ain’t seen nothing yet.    Like it or not, this is the world we live in.  It could be waaaaay worse.  All it’s going to take is the wrong guy running steering the ship.  The politicians do a great job of making us fight each other so that when the day comes when they want to drop the hammer, we’ll never see it coming.  
 

but that’s a topic for another thread and another day.  Vaccines aren’t so bad when you think about what they could really do if they wanted to. 

A question. If I’m recently vaccinated against COVID but not vaccinated against the flu, and it is during a normal flu season, am I in greater risk of dying from the flu or from COVID?

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

A question. If I’m recently vaccinated against COVID but not vaccinated against the flu, and it is during a normal flu season, am I in greater risk of dying from the flu or from COVID?

Yes

That’s going around here too.

6 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

A question. If I’m recently vaccinated against COVID but not vaccinated against the flu, and it is during a normal flu season, am I in greater risk of dying from the flu or from COVID?

if you’re healthy you should survive the flu.

Coronavirus vs. Flu Deaths

COVID-19: Current COVID-19 deaths*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.

*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.

The hoax flu is particularly dangerous because 40% of the country was convinced it was no big deal.

thanks to uncle joe, 75% of the country has received at least 1 vaccination.  there's not much hope for the remaining 25%. 

 

6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

thanks to uncle joe, 75% of the country has received at least 1 vaccination.  there's not much hope for the remaining 25%. 

 

Uncle Joe Rogan??

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-school-districts-masks-up-following-covid-deaths-of-two-middle-school-teachers/ar-AAOcwT6?li=BBnb7Kz

Masks are now mandatory for students and staff in the Connally Independent School District, on the outskirts of Waco. The decision, made late last week, followed the two teacher deaths and a surge of cases in the community.