September 10, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, mattmcginley7 said: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html Look, I'm not sure what the deal is today, but I've already reached my "teach people how to read" quota.
September 10, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2021/08/27/covid-natural-immunity-vaccine-delta-variant-pfizer-protection/amp/ From your 1st link: "If you have had COVID-19 before, please still get vaccinated,” said CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky. "This study shows you are twice as likely to get infected again if you are unvaccinated. Getting the vaccine is the best way to protect yourself and others around you, especially as the more contagious Delta variant spreads around the country.”
September 10, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said: I took the vaccine and I'm healthier than everyone lol The average American thinks their probability of dying from Covid is 1000x times higher than it actually is. Why can't we contextually frame everything in reality instead of fear mongering? Vaccines will help end the pandemic, but those previously infected with covid have higher immunity than those who get vaccines You do realize you can simultaneously acknowledge both of these things as true? Yeah, I know a few Covid Victims who believe they are immune but have never had an antibody test to prove it. They just claim it because they heard it on Joe Rogan or OAN or News max or Fox News or because Steve Bannon or Alex Jones told them it was so. Other than that, where's the science to prove it they have higher immunity than those who get vaccines. Link?
September 10, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: Solid explanatory graph for why people are vaccine hesitant: Your graph is missing important details: Like what is the outcome of the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated after they are infected? If you think COVID is going to simply disappear one day, you've been duped.
September 10, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, toolg said: Your graph is missing important details: Like what is the outcome of the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated after they are infected? If you think COVID is going to simply disappear one day, you've been duped. Missing details. Hahahahahahah.
September 10, 20215 yr Look forward to employers requiring their employees to get vaccinated or lose their job. Good luck to the unvaccinated.
September 10, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Look, I'm not sure what the deal is today, but I've already reached my "teach people how to read" quota. I had the wrong link copied. https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital
September 10, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, jsdarkstar said: Yeah, I know a few Covid Victims who believe they are immune but have never had an antibody test to prove it. They just claim it because they heard it on Joe Rogan or OAN or News max or Fox News or because Steve Bannon or Alex Jones told them it was so. Other than that, where's the science to prove it they have higher immunity than those who get vaccines. Link? I have 2 SILs that have not gotten the vaccine for different reasons - 1 is acting under the guidance of her doctors because she is trying to get pregnant including fertility treatments. The other is just generally anti-vaccine. Both had Covid around the New Years last year. The anti-vaccine one has no problem wearing her mask around us and has gotten an antibody test to confirm that she still has natural immunity. Her plan is to get tested periodically and get the vaccine when her natural immunity fades. The other one will wear a mask around us but is clearly annoyed by our request and, to my knowledge, hasn’t gotten an antibody test but just assumes she’s immune to it since she already had it. I also know of a guy in his early 20’s that had Covid twice about 8 months apart. The 2nd time was less severe with only minor symptoms.
September 10, 20215 yr Not sure if this was posted here yet. LA USD mandates vaccine for all students 12 and older. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/us/los-angeles-schools-vaccine-mandate-students/index.html
September 10, 20215 yr Just now, RPeeteRules said: Not sure if this was posted here yet. LA USD mandates vaccine for all students 12 and older. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/us/los-angeles-schools-vaccine-mandate-students/index.html Great news. If parents want their kids to go to school, then they should be vaccinated. If parents refuse, they can stay home from work and home school their kids.
September 10, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2021/08/27/covid-natural-immunity-vaccine-delta-variant-pfizer-protection/amp/ Oh, you edited your post when you realized you refuted your own argument. This is better, but it had some limitations given the time frame they were evaluating (Jan-Feb) where vaccinations were prioritized for the elderly, those with pre-existing conditions, and the immunocompromised. Let's see if this is corroborated by other studies. In any case though, it's clear that the third group in the study (those with prior infection that still got vaccinated) saw benefit to vaccination from even further increased protection.
September 10, 20215 yr 9 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said: Not sure if this was posted here yet. LA USD mandates vaccine for all students 12 and older. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/us/los-angeles-schools-vaccine-mandate-students/index.html Good. More of this please.
September 10, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Great news. If parents want their kids to go to school, then they should be vaccinated. If parents refuse, they can stay home from work and home school their kids. More kids die from the flu on an average yearly basis than have died from Covid. Before the Delta variant was the dominant variant, literally 0 children died from alpha that didn't already have a significant health problem. Maybe delta is worse, and the probability of developing myocarditis is higher compared to getting covid, but between natural immunity from a previous infection and their significantly low risk of any problems, it's not as obvious as some people attempt to make it out to be I think it's pretty clear vaccines are incredibly helpful for high risk and still helpful, albeit much less for healthy and young people. But if parents are so hellbent on not getting their kids vaccinated, the results show it's not much of a problem
September 10, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, Imp81318 said: I have 2 SILs that have not gotten the vaccine for different reasons - 1 is acting under the guidance of her doctors because she is trying to get pregnant including fertility treatments. The other is just generally anti-vaccine. Both had Covid around the New Years last year. The anti-vaccine one has no problem wearing her mask around us and has gotten an antibody test to confirm that she still has natural immunity. Her plan is to get tested periodically and get the vaccine when her natural immunity fades. The other one will wear a mask around us but is clearly annoyed by our request and, to my knowledge, hasn’t gotten an antibody test but just assumes she’s immune to it since she already had it. I also know of a guy in his early 20’s that had Covid twice about 8 months apart. The 2nd time was less severe with only minor symptoms. Anecdotally, I can only speak of folks who were infected by Covid either with or without vaccination. Those who were infected while unvaccinated had wildly different outcomes: from mild illness, to hospitalization, on ventilators, and I know of a few people who died. On the other hand, of those who were vaccinated first, all had relatively mild illness. All were able to recover at home. Even those of older age who watched friends of the same age get sick and go to the hospital. Everybody had the classic symptoms: loss of taste/smell and respiratory illness. The belief is long-term, as folks are exposed to coronavirus either by vaccination or by infection, that subsequent waves of the virus will become more mild. Covid won't go away completely, but it will be less dangerous. It won't kill millions of people every year.
September 10, 20215 yr 12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Oh, you edited your post when you realized you refuted your own argument. This is better, but it had some limitations given the time frame they were evaluating (Jan-Feb) where vaccinations were prioritized for the elderly, those with pre-existing conditions, and the immunocompromised. Let's see if this is corroborated by other studies. In any case though, it's clear that the third group in the study (those with prior infection that still got vaccinated) saw benefit to vaccination from even further increased protection. I copied that link from a friend, and my link didn't copy. That link is just fine and I understand their point. But someone who was already incredibly healthy and has antibodies from a previous infection shouldn't be required to get the vaccine. They're already sufficiently protected to a very large extent. They should be able to make the judgement whether they wish to have more protection, in my opinion I know of plenty of older people who don't want to get the vaccine. That also makes absolutely no sense to me btw.
September 10, 20215 yr This use of OSHA is overreach by the Federal government, and Klain was an idiot to retweet that. My guess is, despite the precedent from the early 20th century, this SCOTUS will overturn this requirement (based in no small part on Klain admitting the intent was to circumvent the law). I'm guessing the administration's bet is that enough people will get vaccinated before it is overturned to make it worth it. Highly disappointing that Biden won't do what is both legal and effective. He, like most Democrats, remains terrified of allowing people to feel negative consequences -- the entire premise of the current Democratic party is all morons must be protected from feeling negative feedback. - Insurance: no Medicare/Medicaid/Tricare coverage for those who are eligible to be vaccinated and have not done so. Indemnify private insurers who want to do the same thing, and hospitals that want to prioritize ICU beds for the vaccinated - Federal Contracts: starting 10/1, only award Federal contracts to companies that have a vaccinate mandate for all employees - TSA: No vaccine, no pass through the checkpoint - Transfer Payments: require vaccines to receive welfare, food stamps, etc. We'd be at 90%+ in a month.
September 10, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: This use of OSHA is overreach by the Federal government, and Klain was an idiot to retweet that. My guess is, despite the precedent from the early 20th century, this SCOTUS will overturn this requirement (based in no small part on Klain admitting the intent was to circumvent the law). I'm guessing the administration's bet is that enough people will get vaccinated before it is overturned to make it worth it. Highly disappointing that Biden won't do what is both legal and effective. He, like most Democrats, remains terrified of allowing people to feel negative consequences -- the entire premise of the current Democratic party is all morons must be protected from feeling negative feedback. - Insurance: no Medicare/Medicaid/Tricare coverage for those who are eligible to be vaccinated and have not done so. Indemnify private insurers who want to do the same thing, and hospitals that want to prioritize ICU beds for the vaccinated - Federal Contracts: starting 10/1, only award Federal contracts to companies that have a vaccinate mandate for all employees - TSA: No vaccine, no pass through the checkpoint - Transfer Payments: require vaccines to receive welfare, food stamps, etc. We'd be at 90%+ in a month. + forced castration for the unvaccinated
September 10, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said: More kids die from the flu on an average yearly basis than have died from Covid. Data shows that COVID is more dangerous to children than flu LINK. COVID is more contagious, therefore more children are susceptible to it. You have to remember that most schools had shut-down last year when COVID was surging, which coincided with most of cold/flu season too. Families were keeping children distant. Therefore, you need to consider that when looking at last year's infection numbers. Very few children died of flu last year too. It is rare for children to die from either virus.
September 10, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: This use of OSHA is overreach by the Federal government, and Klain was an idiot to retweet that. My guess is, despite the precedent from the early 20th century, this SCOTUS will overturn this requirement (based in no small part on Klain admitting the intent was to circumvent the law). I'm guessing the administration's bet is that enough people will get vaccinated before it is overturned to make it worth it. Highly disappointing that Biden won't do what is both legal and effective. He, like most Democrats, remains terrified of allowing people to feel negative consequences -- the entire premise of the current Democratic party is all morons must be protected from feeling negative feedback. - Insurance: no Medicare/Medicaid/Tricare coverage for those who are eligible to be vaccinated and have not done so. Indemnify private insurers who want to do the same thing, and hospitals that want to prioritize ICU beds for the vaccinated - Federal Contracts: starting 10/1, only award Federal contracts to companies that have a vaccinate mandate for all employees - TSA: No vaccine, no pass through the checkpoint - Transfer Payments: require vaccines to receive welfare, food stamps, etc. We'd be at 90%+ in a month. I agree. Let the fed do what they choose with their programs to try and force vaccines. Let the private sector sort itself out. Insurance companies should rate employers group/individual health insurance plans based on whether or not there's a vaccine mandate or whether the individual is vaccinated. If they are fine paying an increased premium so be it. I see the OSHA thing as major overreach. It will also start a domino effect of future overreaches by future administrations. I'm not really for giving the fed any more power than they already have.
September 10, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said: I copied that link from a friend, and my link didn't copy. That link is just fine and I understand their point. But someone who was already incredibly healthy and has antibodies from a previous infection shouldn't be required to get the vaccine. They're already sufficiently protected to a very large extent. They should be able to make the judgement whether they wish to have more protection, in my opinion I know of plenty of older people who don't want to get the vaccine. That also makes absolutely no sense to me btw. They're not required to get the vaccine unless they work for the government. Otherwise they can be tested weekly. Seems like a reasonable compromise. If your issue is that the federal government shouldn't be dictating this to private companies, that's one thing. But you seem to be arguing that a company shouldn't be doing this at all, despite the fact that the benefit far outweighs the risk even for those with natural immunity. Vaccines work and are safe. We should be encouraging their use both in the interests of public health and also for personal protection.
September 10, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, toolg said: Data shows that COVID is more dangerous to children than flu LINK. COVID is more contagious, therefore more children are susceptible to it. You have to remember that most schools had shut-down last year when COVID was surging, which coincided with most of cold/flu season too. Families were keeping children distant. Therefore, you need to consider that when looking at last year's infection numbers. Very few children died of flu last year too. It is rare for children to die from either virus. I agree it's more dangerous, it seems pretty clear the chance of developing health issues is higher. But it's also still incredibly low Because of that, it seems like the opportunity cost of getting vaccinated even for children is worth it, but I can't say it's so great and obvious that it is absolutely necessary
September 10, 20215 yr 17 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said: More kids die from the flu on an average yearly basis than have died from Covid. Before the Delta variant was the dominant variant, literally 0 children died from alpha that didn't already have a significant health problem. Maybe delta is worse, and the probability of developing myocarditis is higher compared to getting covid, but between natural immunity from a previous infection and their significantly low risk of any problems, it's not as obvious as some people attempt to make it out to be I think it's pretty clear vaccines are incredibly helpful for high risk and still helpful, albeit much less for healthy and young people. But if parents are so hellbent on not getting their kids vaccinated, the results show it's not much of a problem We've already been over this. Death isn't the only metric and kids can get vaccinated for the flu. Stop with this nonsense. 1 minute ago, mattmcginley7 said: I agree it's more dangerous, it seems pretty clear the chance of developing health issues is higher. But it's also still incredibly low Because of that, it seems like the opportunity cost of getting vaccinated even for children is worth it, but I can't say it's so great and obvious that it is absolutely necessary It is, for my kids at least. Don't vaccinate yours if you like to gamble with their health.
September 10, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: They're not required to get the vaccine unless they work for the government. Otherwise they can be tested weekly. Seems like a reasonable compromise. If your issue is that the federal government shouldn't be dictating this to private companies, that's one thing. But you seem to be arguing that a company shouldn't be doing this at all, despite the fact that the benefit far outweighs the risk even for those with natural immunity. Vaccines work and are safe. We should be encouraging their use both in the interests of public health and also for personal protection. A friend of mine plays in a popular metal band. Their guitarist has antibodies from a previous infection and wants to wait still to get the vaccine. They had to leave him off tour He should have probably just gotten the vaccine, but he's sufficiently protected.
September 10, 20215 yr 14 minutes ago, vikas83 said: This use of OSHA is overreach by the Federal government, and Klain was an idiot to retweet that. My guess is, despite the precedent from the early 20th century, this SCOTUS will overturn this requirement (based in no small part on Klain admitting the intent was to circumvent the law). I'm guessing the administration's bet is that enough people will get vaccinated before it is overturned to make it worth it. Highly disappointing that Biden won't do what is both legal and effective. He, like most Democrats, remains terrified of allowing people to feel negative consequences -- the entire premise of the current Democratic party is all morons must be protected from feeling negative feedback. - Insurance: no Medicare/Medicaid/Tricare coverage for those who are eligible to be vaccinated and have not done so. Indemnify private insurers who want to do the same thing, and hospitals that want to prioritize ICU beds for the vaccinated - Federal Contracts: starting 10/1, only award Federal contracts to companies that have a vaccinate mandate for all employees - TSA: No vaccine, no pass through the checkpoint - Transfer Payments: require vaccines to receive welfare, food stamps, etc. We'd be at 90%+ in a month. Which requirement? Vaccines are not required if you submit to weekly testing. As far as OSHA is concerned, they merely need to prove that weekly testing is needed to protect occupational health (which during an ongoing pandemic, should be easy I'd think.)
September 10, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said: A friend of mine plays in a popular metal band. Their guitarist has antibodies from a previous infection and wants to wait still to get the vaccine. They had to leave him off tour He should have probably just gotten the vaccine, but he's sufficiently protected. Sounds like he's not that smart.
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