2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We've already been over this. Death isn't the only metric and kids can get vaccinated for the flu. Stop with this nonsense. 

It is, for my kids at least. Don't vaccinate yours if you like to gamble with their health.

Where have I said that if I have kids that I wouldn't vaccinate them? Lmao. Where have I said that's not the only metric? And what is the long covid probability for healthy young kids? 

It's always ironic when I get a lecture from people on health.

I'd just like some honesty from both sides for a change. One side says everyone needs to get vaccinated or you'll die and the world will end. The other wouldn't vaccinate their 90 year old grandmother who has respiratory issues 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Sounds like he's not that smart.

Nah, he's fine. If the goal is to reasonably protect people, he's not a problem to himself or the people around him.

1 minute ago, mattmcginley7 said:

I agree it's more dangerous, it seems pretty clear the chance of developing health issues is higher. But it's also still incredibly low

Because of that, it seems like the opportunity cost of getting vaccinated even for children is worth it, but I can't say it's so great and obvious that it is absolutely necessary

I think there is danger that children can circulate the virus in schools, then transmit to teachers and other adult staff, and out to the community; infecting people who have a higher chance of developing serious issues.

What is the value of vaccinating children vs. letting the virus run its course? Personally I would like to see children vaccinated and have some level of protection. But I do think have to see more data, whether vaccination is all that effective in that age group, before we can mandate it in schools. No vaccines are approved for children under 12 as of yet.

1 minute ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Where have I said that if I have kids that I wouldn't vaccinate them? Lmao. Where have I said that's not the only metric? And what is the long covid probability for healthy young kids? 

It's always ironic when I get a lecture from people on health.

I'd just like some honesty from both sides for a change. One side says everyone needs to get vaccinated or you'll die and the world will end. The other wouldn't vaccinate their 90 year old grandmother who has respiratory issues 

You said vaccines for kids was not necessary. Elaborate on what you meant because on the surface it's perfectly reasonable to assume you meant that either the FDA shouldn't give an EUA for the 5-11 age group, or that if they did, you wouldn't vaccinate your own kids for something you don't think is needed.

2 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Nah, he's fine. If the goal is to reasonably protect people, he's not a problem to himself or the people around him.

Giving up money because you're scared of a needle seems pretty dumb to me.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

You said vaccines for kids was not necessary. Elaborate on what you meant because on the surface it's perfectly reasonable to assume you meant that either the FDA shouldn't give an EUA for the 5-11 age group, or that if they did, you wouldn't vaccinate your own kids for something you don't think is needed.

I said it appears like the opportunity cost is worth it for kids at this point to be vaccinated. Did you miss that part?

I also said they're so low risk to begin with that if OTHER people don't wish to vaccinate their kids, I'm not exactly irked about it either.

2 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

I said it appears like the opportunity cost is worth it for kids at this point to be vaccinated. Did you miss that part?

I also said they're so low risk to begin with that if OTHER people don't wish to vaccinate their kids, I'm not exactly irked about it either.

So assuming the forthcoming trial data is promising, do you think the FDA should give an EUA for the 5-11 group? 

And if they did, would you give your kid the vaccine if they were in that group?

29 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This use of OSHA is overreach by the Federal government, and Klain was an idiot to retweet that. My guess is, despite the precedent from the early 20th century, this SCOTUS will overturn this requirement (based in no small part on Klain admitting the intent was to circumvent the law). I'm guessing the administration's bet is that enough people will get vaccinated before it is overturned to make it worth it.

Highly disappointing that Biden won't do what is both legal and effective. He, like most Democrats, remains terrified of allowing people to feel negative consequences -- the entire premise of the current Democratic party is all morons must be protected from feeling negative feedback.

- Insurance: no Medicare/Medicaid/Tricare coverage for those who are eligible to be vaccinated and have not done so. Indemnify private insurers who want to do the same thing, and hospitals that want to prioritize ICU beds for the vaccinated

- Federal Contracts: starting 10/1, only award Federal contracts to companies that have a vaccinate mandate for all employees

- TSA: No vaccine, no pass through the checkpoint

- Transfer Payments: require vaccines to receive welfare, food stamps, etc.

We'd be at 90%+ in a month.

It wouldn’t be effective because it would cause a complete and total sh** storm. It would also destroy any chance of single payer healthcare for a generation, which is the Democrats holy grail.

We're so serious about defeating the Coronavirus through vaccinations, that we're going to demonstrate our commitment by forcing all federal employees to get vaccinated.  Well, except for the half a million postal service employees, because they gave a lot of money to Pop Pop.  Which will sit well with the other millions of federal employees, many of whom probably also gave money to Pop Pop.  So many of them will probably also soon be exempt.  But we'll force the private sector to mandate vaccinations.  Because they won't have a problem with it when the see Pop Pop carving out exemptions for the feds.  This is going to go about as well as the retreat from Afghanistan did.

15 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

2 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

We're so serious about defeating the Coronavirus through vaccinations, that we're going to demonstrate our commitment by forcing all federal employees to get vaccinated.  Well, except for the half a million postal service employees, because they gave a lot of money to Pop Pop.  Which will sit well with the other millions of federal employees, many of whom probably also gave money to Pop Pop.  So many of them will probably also soon be exempt.  But we'll force the private sector to mandate vaccinations.  Because they won't have a problem with it when the see Pop Pop carving out exemptions for the feds.  This is going to go about as well as the retreat from Afghanistan did.

Didn’t Pop Pop say that you could either get vaccinated OR get tested every week?

4 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

We're so serious about defeating the Coronavirus through vaccinations, that we're going to demonstrate our commitment by forcing all federal employees to get vaccinated.  Well, except for the half a million postal service employees, because they gave a lot of money to Pop Pop.  Which will sit well with the other millions of federal employees, many of whom probably also gave money to Pop Pop.  So many of them will probably also soon be exempt.  But we'll force the private sector to mandate vaccinations.  Because they won't have a problem with it when the see Pop Pop carving out exemptions for the feds.  This is going to go about as well as the retreat from Afghanistan did.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-reporter-postal-service-exemption-biden-vaccine-mandate

 

5 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

We're so serious about defeating the Coronavirus through vaccinations, that we're going to demonstrate our commitment by forcing all federal employees to get vaccinated.  Well, except for the half a million postal service employees, because they gave a lot of money to Pop Pop.  

Wait, USPS is exempt? How so? And where are they getting all this money from? Sounds like fake news to me. 

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Didn’t Pop Pop say that you could either get vaccinated OR get tested every week?

The report was wrong regardless.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-reporter-postal-service-exemption-biden-vaccine-mandate

 

Ain’t that something?

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Ain’t that something?

Was a pretty juicy theory for all of a couple hours though!

46 minutes ago, toolg said:

Wait, USPS is exempt? How so? And where are they getting all this money from? Sounds like fake news to me. 

USPS is an independent agency. Nixon abolished the Department in the 1970s (and Republicans continue to want to privatize the whole endeavor). So technically they are not Federal workers. They do have to follow OSHA guidelines though. 

21 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The insistence on conflating Ivermectin to be horse only doses as a substitute to the vaccine as opposed to looking at human doses and whether they provide beneficial treatment for those who have gotten covid, not with the intention as a substitute to the vaccine, is also just so intellectually dishonest and makes the left look like clowns

(I agree with the left on many issues and have voted left my whole life btw, before I get attacked)

5 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

The insistence on conflating Ivermectin to be horse only doses as a substitute to the vaccine as opposed to looking at human doses and whether they provide beneficial treatment for those who have gotten covid, not with the intention as a substitute to the vaccine, is also just so intellectually dishonest and makes the left look like clowns

(I agree with the left on many issues and have voted left my whole life btw, before I get attacked)

It’s funny because people were taking horse only doses.  Turn off conservative radio and get a clue.

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

It’s funny because people were taking horse only doses.  Turn off conservative radio and get a clue.

Tards have done that. The overwhelming majority do not think that way. This is truly your problem

It's hilarious you would even think I listen to conservative radio. It shows how stupid and brainwashed everyone has actually gotten

12 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

The insistence on conflating Ivermectin to be horse only doses as a substitute to the vaccine as opposed to looking at human doses and whether they provide beneficial treatment for those who have gotten covid, not with the intention as a substitute to the vaccine, is also just so intellectually dishonest and makes the left look like clowns

(I agree with the left on many issues and have voted left my whole life btw, before I get attacked)

Ivermectin doesn't provide beneficial treatment for those who gotten covid. That's the null hypothesis and there's no compelling evidence to the contrary. 

And very few of the people advocating for ivermectin actually say "get vaccinated first and then also take ivermectin if you're sick." They almost always lead with some antivax nonsense about the side effects of "experimental" vaccines or how ineffectual they are before diving headlong into the idiocy about how studies of ivermectin are being "suppressed" by the medical establishment. 

9 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

The insistence on conflating Ivermectin to be horse only doses as a substitute to the vaccine as opposed to looking at human doses and whether they provide beneficial treatment for those who have gotten covid, not with the intention as a substitute to the vaccine, is also just so intellectually dishonest and makes the left look like clowns

(I agree with the left on many issues and have voted left my whole life btw, before I get attacked)

There are reputable doctors prescribing it down in Florida, and with excellent results.  Certainly not an excuse to be careless with dosage, but if somebody is sick and there are treatment options besides going to the hospital and getting intubated, you get treated.  With all the bashing I gave Biden on his outrageous speech yesterday, I do credit the administration for promoting monoclonal antibodies (Regeneron) as part of its plan.  This is something that DeSantis is way ahead of the curve on in Florida.  People down here can get treated at no cost with Regeneron if they test positive.

Mississippi health officials plea for vaccination after 'significant' number of COVID-19 fatalities in pregnant women

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-health-officials-plea-vaccination-significant-number-covid/story?id=79931539

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The state health department is investigating eight reports of pregnant women who died from COVID-19 in the past four weeks, all of whom were unvaccinated, Mississippi State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs said at the top of a COVID-19 briefing Wednesday.

"We do know that COVID is especially problematic and dangerous for pregnant women," Dobbs said. "We also know it can be deadly for the baby in the womb."

 

Just now, Procus said:

There are reputable doctors prescribing it down in Florida, and with excellent results.  Certainly not an excuse to be careless with dosage, but if somebody is sick and there are treatment options besides going to the hospital and getting intubated, you get treated.  With all the bashing I gave Biden on his outrageous speech yesterday, I do credit the administration for promoting monoclonal antibodies (Regeneron) as part of its plan.  This is something that DeSantis is way ahead of the curve on in Florida.  People down here can get treated at no cost with Regeneron if they test positive.

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