1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Bull ish.  He was clearly playing politics and casting doubt about the whole process.  It was a f'ing disgrace

I fully acknowledge that you believe every word of this.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

"What he meant was"

Bull ish.  He was clearly playing politics and casting doubt about the whole process.  It was a f'ing disgrace

Take two BDS pills and call me in the morning.

35 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Well, Biden can't very well mandate that people in other countries get vaccinated, and the US is by far and away the greatest contributor to distributing the vaccine globally.  All we can do from our vantage point is force our own mentally ill morons to get vaccinated (either with Biden's plan, or with mine [which includes forced castration]), and keep pumping vaccines and boosters out to our citizens and around the world, until everyone else has caught up.

Sure. I simply stated a fact. It had nothing to do with Biden. 

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I cant provide the medical support he'll need by 2024, he'll probably require a team of medical professionals to provide the round-the-clock care

Until he gets airlifted to Walter Reed and spends a few days there, I'd say he's doing just fine in that department.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

"What he meant was"

Bull ish.  He was clearly playing politics and casting doubt about the whole process.  It was a f'ing disgrace

He didn't say that though. Not even close. You just happen to be the biggest idiot on this board and cannot understand a simple, clear statement. The only disgrace is your comprehension skills, which are pathetic.

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

Take two BDS pills and call me in the morning.

Or, if he doesn't trust the BDS pills he can just deworm himself

2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Clearly, from the full quote, he's saying you can't trust Trump to lead a vaccine rollout. Which is a totally normal and rational thought that 70% of Americans had. You need to wait for the science and experts to say it's ready. 

"Let me be clear: I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump," Biden said. "At this moment, the American people can’t either."

Just now, Dave Moss said:

My god are you butt-hurt about Biden. Take some BDS pills or something.

Ahh the inevitable point in every discussion with the emotional libs

Cant prove the nonsense youre spouting so you go to this level.  

I literally said something we all agree on but none of you can take it because it requires you to deal in facts and set aside feelings

5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

"Democrat Biden warns against rushing out coronavirus vaccine, says Trump cannot be trusted | Article [AMP] | Reuters" https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2671NW

I mean, that's basically refuting Mike's point. Biden didn't say he didn't trust the vaccine, he said he didn't trust Trump. Still a stupid thing to say given the political climate, but far from the gotcha moment Mike thinks it is.

"  "Let me be clear: I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump," Biden said. "At this moment, the American people can’t either."

Biden warned against trying to rush out an unfinished vaccine ahead of the Nov. 3 election. "

Wow. wow wow wow.

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

"Let me be clear: I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump," Biden said. "At this moment, the American people can’t either."

But then we all did, right?  We all trusted Trump and took the vaccine that was developed under Trump's administration

So what he said was irresponsible and clearly political in nature

3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Biden is just doing what any rational leader would do in trying to end the pandemic just like he was trying to end America’s forever war in Afghanistan. Yeah, there’s gonna be some hiccups along the way. But there’s no reason to act like a complete dope about it.

The only hiccup here is that he didn't do it from the beginning.  Democrats have a tendency to have way too much faith in the unreachable lunatics in this country.  We should've entered the vaccine push with the assumption that there are too many mentally ill people and Republicans that would happily see their fellow Americans die if it means owning the libs to get to where we need to be without more strict incentives.

No surprise everyone's vaccine take is conveniently in perfect alignment with their party 

I think both sides have handled this horifficly. It's a joke 

Just now, VanHammersly said:

The only hiccup here is that he didn't do it from the beginning.  Democrats have a tendency to have way too much faith in the unreachable lunatics in this country.  We should've entered the vaccine push with the assumption that there are too many mentally ill people and Republicans that would happily see their fellow Americans die if it means owning the libs to get to where we need to be without more strict incentives.

Lol yeah thats their problem, they just love too much

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

But then we all did, right?  We all trusted Trump and took the vaccine that was developed under Trump's administration

So what he said was irresponsible and clearly political in nature

That quote was from September of 2020, moron. The vaccine wasn't approved and released until December. Do you even understand how the concept of time works?

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

But then we all did, right?  We all trusted Trump and took the vaccine that was developed under Trump's administration

So what he said was irresponsible and clearly political in nature

No, not all. 25% of the country, the majority of which are from your mindset and political tribe, most certainly did not trust the vaccine. 

32 minutes ago, Procus said:

This mandate will be litigated, likely up to the Supreme Court.  Cruz thinks its illegal and that the Chief of Staff re-tweet is an admission of such.  I think it's an overreach - but by no means is this a slam dunk that the Supreme Court will overturn it.  Much closer call than the CDC overreach with the eviction moratorium.

Still, an idiotic RT by the COS, which is indicative of the high level of incompetence of this administration.

 

I don't think it will be overturned:  See Jacobson v. Massachusetts LINK

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It is within the police power of a State to enact a compulsory vaccination law

Now, Biden has gone about this a totally different way.... In 1905, local governments had enacted laws requiring its residents to be vaccinated against smallpox, which Supreme Court upheld 7-2. Today, Biden is going through OSHA to make it a nationwide mandate for workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19 as a work safety measure. There will be arguments both for/against, for sure.

I agree with Vikas. If the unvaccinated don't want the vaccine and refuse to wear masks, and they get Covid, they should be made to pay for their own medical treatment or even be denied admission to the hospital. They deserve to be treated differently. The tyranny of the minority puts us all in danger.

2 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

No surprise everyone's vaccine take is conveniently in perfect alignment with their party 

I think both sides have handled this horifficly. It's a joke 

If this is a precursor to some forthcoming anti-vax nonsense, spare us. Vaccines were never a political wedge issue until a moron decided to abhorrently downplay the worst pandemic in a century during an election year.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If this is a precursor to some forthcoming anti-vax nonsense, spare us. Vaccines were never a political wedge issue until a moron decided to abhorrently downplay the worst pandemic in a century during an election year.

Damn right. They didn't complain about the Polio Vaccine, or the Small Pox vaccine or the Swine Flu vaccine. it's political because most of them are totally delusional and the tyranny of the minority, puts the majority of us in danger. It's time for Biden to get even tougher on them. 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

If this is a precursor to some forthcoming anti-vax nonsense, spare us. Vaccines were never a political wedge issue until a moron decided to abhorrently downplay the worst pandemic in a century during an election year.

I took the vaccine and I'm healthier than everyone lol 

The average American thinks their probability of dying from Covid is 1000x times higher than it actually is. Why can't we contextually frame everything in reality instead of fear mongering?

Vaccines will help end the pandemic, but those previously infected with covid have higher immunity than those who get vaccines

You do realize you can simultaneously acknowledge both of these things as true?

does anyone really think that the honorable president donald trump would've pushed though a vaccine that wasn't fully ready before november 3rd, just so he could take credit for it right before the election. do you really think he'd do such a thing?   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just now, mattmcginley7 said:

I took the vaccine and I'm healthier than everyone lol 

The average American thinks their probability of dying from Covid is 1000x times higher than it actually is. Why can't we contextually frame everything in reality instead of fear mongering?

Vaccines will help end the pandemic, but those previously infected with covid have higher immunity than those who get vaccines

You do realize you can simultaneously acknowledge both of these things as true?

Source, please.

Solid explanatory graph for why people are vaccine hesitant:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2021/08/27/covid-natural-immunity-vaccine-delta-variant-pfizer-protection/amp/