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15 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

These people are cultists.

Fanatical nutbags throwing things at health care workers to stop OTHERS from getting vaccinated. Round them up. We have all these jails the right loves so much.

"I just want muh freedums!!!"

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1 hour ago, toolg said:

That's not what happened in India. Why are you lying to us?

Tell us what happened.

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https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-government-says-ivermectin-helped-to-keep-deaths-low-7311786/

Uttar Pradesh government says early use of Ivermectin helped to keep positivity, deaths low

Claiming that timely introduction of Ivermectin since the first wave has helped the state maintain a relatively low positivity rate despite in its high population density.

Written by Maulshree Seth | Lucknow |
May 12, 2021 10:02:08 am
 
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The state Health Department introduced Ivermectin as prophylaxis for close contacts of Covid patients, health workers as well as for the treatment of the patients themselves through a government order on August 6, 2020. (Wikimedia Commons)
 

A year after the country’s first Covid-19 cluster, with 5 cases, was reported in Agra district, the Uttar Pradesh government has claimed that it was the first state to have introduced a large-scale "prophylactic and therapeutic” use of Ivermectin and added that the drug helped the state to maintain a lower fatality and positivity rate as compared to other states.

Citing the results from Agra in the month of May and June last year, following which the use of Ivermectin, a medicine to treat parasitic ailments, along with Doxycycline was introduced as a protocol across the state for both prophylactic as well as treatment purposes, the state Health Department said it would conduct a controlled study once the second wave of the pandemic subsides.

The state Health Department introduced Ivermectin as prophylaxis for close contacts of Covid patients, health workers as well as for the treatment of the patients themselves through a government order on August 6, 2020, after a committee headed by the Director General, Medical and Health Services, gave it the go ahead.

"Uttar Pradesh was the first state in the country to introduce large-scale prophylactic and therapeutic use of Ivermectin. In May-June 2020, a team at Agra, led by Dr Anshul Pareek, administered Ivermectin to all RRT team members in the district on an experimental basis. It was observed that none of them developed Covid-19 despite being in daily contact with patients who had tested positive for the virus,” Uttar Pradesh State Surveillance Officer Vikssendu Agrawal said.

He added that based on the findings from Agra, the state government sanctioned the use of Ivermectin as a prophylactic for all the contacts of Covid patients and later cleared the administration of therapeutic doses for the treatment of such patients.

Claiming that timely introduction of Ivermectin since the first wave has helped the state maintain a relatively low positivity rate despite its high population density, he said, "Despite being the state with the largest population base and a high population density, we have maintained a relatively low positivity rate and cases per million of population”.

He said that apart from aggressive contact tracing and surveillance, the lower positivity and fatality rates may be attributed to the large-scale use of Ivermectin use in the state, adding that the drug has recently been introduced in the National Protocol for Covid treatment and management. "Once the second wave subsides, we would conduct our own study as there has been an emerging body of evidence to substantiate our timely use of Ivermectin from the first wave itself,” Vikasendu told The Indian Express.

Agra District Magistrate Prabhu N Singh also attributed the state’s relative success in keeping the Covid numbers down to the timely nod to the use of Ivermectin as a prophylactic. He added that government doctor Anshul Pareek had approached him last year citing use of the medicine abroad.

"We reported the first Covid-19 cluster in the country after five members of a family, who had returned from Italy, tested positive. Soon, the virus spread, with a large number of police personnel getting affected. Doctor Pareek approached me with a request to introduce Ivermectin on an experimental basis. I was told there are no risks involved with the use of the drug,” Singh told The Indian Express.

He said the district administration had formed small groups of personnel from the same police station as well staffers at his office. "We introduced it (Ivermectin) for three days, 12 mg as advised in the national guidelines at the time, followed by tests on the fourth or fifth day. We introduced it in the jail as well and the results helped us reduce positivity to a great extent, following which Additional Chief Secretary Health Amit Mohan formed a committee to access its usage and it was finally introduced in the state’s Covid management protocol in 2020 itself,” Singh said.

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1 hour ago, DBW said:

It really is like he lives in an false alternate universe where the exact opposite is happening.  

Tell us what you think the facts are in that case.

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8 hours ago, mr_irie1 said:

Saw this email from the base here. Troops aren't allowed to go downtown for now b/c the number of cases on base are at a higher percentage than the native host country population. I'm guessing that processing the influx of 55,000 plus Afghan people might have had something to do with it. We also are now required to wear masks indoors and in vehicles when not alone again until further notice. 👎

 

Thank you for your service.

Go Eagles!

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28 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

Orthodox Trumplicant - 2% 

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6 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:
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To be fair in this, hindsight is 20/20. We can't be in the habit of overreacting to every claim a defector makes. 

Exactly.

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3 hours ago, Paul852 said:

I hope her "friend" makes it.

Lmao me too. Any reaction to the Uttar Pradesh News??

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Finally convinced my Mom to get the vaccine. Is JJ the best for long term and doesn't breakdown as fast as Pzifer? 

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2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Finally convinced my Mom to get the vaccine. Is JJ the best for long term and doesn't breakdown as fast as Pzifer? 

Moderna's held up better than Pfizer.  Not sure about J&J.

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Making an argument for the profit margin boosters tonight.

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48 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Finally convinced my Mom to get the vaccine. Is JJ the best for long term and doesn't breakdown as fast as Pzifer? 

I actually think it's Moderna, Pfizer then J&J in terms of breakthrough hospitalizations (from least to most). Keep in mind that we're still talking less than 1 percent for all vaccines in terms of number of vaccinated who end up in the hospital so they're all great.

As far as "long-term" is concerned it's very hard to say. Maybe J&J is stronger after a year but nobody will know for a while if that's true.

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7 hours ago, SB52 said:

I understand science and the scientific method go against the cult of "progressivism,” but have Nicki Minaj’s strange comments been PROVEN incorrect?

I certainly agree her comments seem crazy, but simply accepting visceral ad hominem attacks is a much greater threat to the future of our society.

I also assume asking a simple question now makes me an anti-vaxxer (even though I’m vaccinated).

Shockingly it seems as if Nicki Minaj may not be a super reliable source of information on COVID and its vaccine.

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6 hours ago, Procus said:

Tell us what happened.

What happened in India is the country avoided adopting mitigation strategies, was slow to vaccinate its population, and experienced a severe wave of COVID during the spring that they were ill-prepared for. LINK  As scientists are still studying the causes of such an outbreak: What factors led up to the outbreak? Why does it come in waves? How do we handle it?... We have these biased political publications touting miracle cures saving the population. It reeks of BS. LINK  India remains ill-prepared for the next wave. LINK  Yet people like you don't care. You will believe the first story you hear, charmed by the snake oil salesmen. Then when India is suffering its next outbreak, you won't care. You'll already be onto the next story.

If you want to use ivermectin as prophylactic or treatment, knock yourself out. I recommend finding a doctor who will prescribe it, help you find the right stuff to take, and the correct dosages. If it makes you feel better, then great. I'd rather hear your personal experience with the stuff than some BS you researched on the internet.

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I'll be interested to see if the mass vaccinations are creating accelerated variants. If so how long until we get the killer kung flu?

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10 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Do you get to pick now? I got Moderna because that's what they had -- we couldn't choose.

I think it just depends on what each place has in stock. At work back in March when I got mine they were giving out Moderna but when I got my second shot of Moderna in April they were giving Pfizer to people getting their first shot. 

16 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

I'll be interested to see if the mass vaccinations are creating accelerated variants. If so how long until we get the killer kung flu?

Unvaccinated people lead to higher transmission rates which leads to higher mutation rates. 

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7 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

 

Ahh sheet atheists represent!!

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1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Ahh sheet atheists represent!!

They don't believe in God but aren't in a rush to test their theory. 

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7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

They don't believe in God but aren't in a rush to test their theory. 

True, but religious people should have no problems getting the vaccine if they truly believe he will save them from any harm 

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In a perfect world the unvaccinated and the vaccinated but high risk individuals would be using up the supply first and then booster shots could become more widespread.  However, we don't have a perfect world.

Long term, the issue is going to be getting people across the globe in places like Africa vaccinated.  Before that happens we will continue to get variants and thus will continue to need further boosters or new vaccines/treatments.

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4 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Ahh sheet atheists represent!!

:groovy:

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4 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

They don't believe in God but aren't in a rush to test their theory. 

Sure, those vaccinated atheists are dropping like. . .no, wait, that's Evangelical nutbags and anti-vaxxers.

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