1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Nailed it

Yeah, it seemed painfully obvious what was coming. Damn shame it ended like this.

Im gonna watch The Last Dance now. See what a real competitor looks like. 

13 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

As expected. 2nd round losers again.

Adam Silver ruined the 76ers when he demanded the ownership bend the knee...and they did. 76ers' ownership = Cowardice.

This team is what they've been since just after the 83 season...also rans. Nothing ever changes.

Top FA's don't ever want to come here, which means superstar laden teams are always from elsewhere. 

The FO doesn't prioritize players who can consistently shoot under pressure. They fail every time. Always looking for someone else to take over in the biggest moments. 

Hinkie had it right. Build a 3rd rate roster that can't help but tank for 10 years straight if you have to in order to build a super team through the draft. It's your only hope if you're in Philadelphia where ZERO top FA's are ever coming. Remember when Lebron and KD were fighting to get here? Me neither. How about the year before that when the splash brothers were trying to get here? Nope didn't think so. Remember when Kobe and Shaq were begging to come to Join AI? Nah, me neither.

At the end of the day, the 76ers will always be somewhere between a crap team to a can't-get-it-done playoff also ran. That's who they have been for 40 years, and NOTHING will be changing any time soon. Josh Harris is a coward who should've knocked Silver's teeth out when he demanded the team dismantle the process, but instead, he got scared, kissed the ring, and did exactly what he was told to do. I like the 76ers but I feel bad for the die-hard fans. If they missed '83, they're going to their graves without another Championship.

Same old 76ers.

 

I still stand by this the process was a smart idea. The execution of the process was an epic disaster by the 76ers. Sixers ownership and FO office pissed away the assets accumulated by hinkie and wasted draft resources on guys like okafor (who supposedly hinkie wanted porzingis), Simmons, fultz. the cherry on top wasted the cap space hinkie cleared up on guys like Al horford, Simmons and tobias Harris  

30 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

it's one of  the reasons why you dont tank, you have to attract difference makers, if you dont attract difference makers regardless of who you draft you not going to win.

Tanking worked. The p*ssy owner let the league force a GM on them just as it was ending. 

Then he took a team that was close and let a coach who sucked and a GM with no experience make horrible moves and hired a coach who can only win when he doesn't have to coach.

 

 

dumb@$$ thing to say by embiid after todays game. Harris and maxey and tucker all showed up. game 7 is 100% on harden and embiid no showing 

In full context it isn’t much better 

 

Let’s not overreact on an elimination day.

We don’t know anything know that we shouldn’t have known when Kawhi’s buzzer beater fell. 
 

This team isn’t good enough to win a title and lacks both the upside in the current foundation pieces and resources to ever get there.

1. Playoff Embiid is the second best player on a championship team, not the centerpiece.

2. The supporting cast (understandably) takes most of the blame.  But if playoff Embiid could sustainably play at the level he does in the regular season at his best, then they MIGHT be good enough.

 

Its sort of unfair to say the problem is Embiid because he wasn’t Superman and didn’t perform at a HOF level carrying the team on his back…while not blaming a marginal supporting cast for being bad.  But the team is built around Embiid doing that and that’s what he does before playoff time.

But the supporting cast isn’t getting better.  Maxey is a unique player.  He figures to get more consistent with experience.  But he’s not at the talent level of the 1b side kicks that championship teams feature.  While Maxey may improve, it’s all downhill for the rest of the supporting cast.  And there are no resources to change that.

Embiid is a fun player to watch though.  And I suppose they could just keep at it with Embiid and Maxey and enjoy the ride en route to 2nd round exists for the next 2 years.  All it costs you is starting the new process 2 years later.

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

dumb@$$ thing to say by embiid after todays game. Harris and maxey and tucker all showed up. game 7 is 100% on harden and embiid no showing 

In full context it isn’t much better 

 

After this I'm starting to not really care for embiid either

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

After this I'm starting to not really care for embiid either

It was a stupid thing to say and you never hear that come from a champion/superstar who is both elite and a leader.  But Embiid is not that…he’s not Jordan or Brady.  He was frustrated and expressed it, it’s fine. But when a team’s star says they can’t do it all alone, that’s often the beginning of the end.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Let’s not overreact on an elimination day.

We don’t know anything know that we shouldn’t have known when Kawhi’s buzzer beater fell. 
 

This team isn’t good enough to win a title and lacks both the upside in the current foundation pieces and resources to ever get there.

1. Playoff Embiid is the second best player on a championship team, not the centerpiece.

2. The supporting cast (understandably) takes most of the blame.  But if playoff Embiid could sustainably play at the level he does in the regular season at his best, then they MIGHT be good enough.

 

Its sort of unfair to say the problem is Embiid because he wasn’t Superman and didn’t perform at a HOF level carrying the team on his back…while not blaming a marginal supporting cast for being bad.  But the team is built around Embiid doing that and that’s what he does before playoff time.

But the supporting cast isn’t getting better.  Maxey is a unique player.  He figures to get more consistent with experience.  But he’s not at the talent level of the 1b side kicks that championship teams feature.  While Maxey may improve, it’s all downhill for the rest of the supporting cast.  And there are no resources to change that.

Embiid is a fun player to watch though.  And I suppose they could just keep at it with Embiid and Maxey and enjoy the ride en route to 2nd round exists for the next 2 years.  All it costs you is starting the new process 2 years later.

Let’s just be honest the process was done because you wanted to get multiple stars together to win multiple titles. Getting the stars was either through the draft or the assets you accumulated to get one. The 76ers besides the one year were they had Joel Embiid and Jimmy Butler have never really had the second star.

They’ve had guys we thought and hoped could be the second star. Ben Simmons never became that. Fultz was a bust. James Harden is past his prime and there’s never really been a clutch performer in deeper round of the playoffs. I like Tyrese Maxey, but he is not a transcendent star that you could go 1a and 1b with. He is more likely your third guy in the trio. 

so for years now, they failed to get that other star or let him walk out the building. And then on top of it, pissed away  the assets you accumulated ans cap space that was created by hinke on players who didn’t fit or weren’t good enough on a championship team. 

Ive been saying it since before they gave him the super max. At the time, it seemed like you had to take the gamble, but it was one that appeared to me, destined to fail. Hes a regular season player. Hes never healthy for playoffs. And he lacks leadership. He has no killer instinct himself, and he doesnt demand it of his teammates. He only cares about individual accolades. 

 

They extended him. He gave us a few incredible regular seasons. This year he had the knee injury, supposedly, but magically became better and played as soon as he won that award, and seemed pretty unphased by his knee. He was as healthy as he is ever been in a post-season, and he stunk. 

 

Its time to trade him.  Along with letting Harden walk. And trading Harris.

Rebuild the stock of draft picks. This thing has to be blown up. Includes Doc, obviously. As well as Morey who continues to be horrible. Has done nothing good since he traded for Harden in Houston. Hes been riding on reputation ever since then.

Blow the whole thing up.

No, I'm not going to bring up how the Celtics traded down so the Sixers could draft Fultz, when the Celtics wanted Tatum all along and got him at #3.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It was a stupid thing to say and you never hear that come from a champion/superstar who is both elite and a leader.  But Embiid is not that…he’s not Jordan or Brady.  He was frustrated and expressed it, it’s fine. But when a team’s star says they can’t do it all alone, that’s often the beginning of the end.

I 100% think Joel Embiid said it for a reason and was holding it back after game six. that’s the reason why he said it. I think this is 100% reflection of how he feels about losing game six. Because if you had better role players, like Tobias Harris scoring more than. 2 or melton scoring more than 0 they likely are in a better position to win game 6. That said you’re in a game seven as well because you didn’t ask for the ball down the stretch of game six and disappeared. Those other things that happen with those role players is true, but it also comes down on you and you were god awful. 

that quote by Embiid is a quote that you either should have said after game 6 or waited a couple days and then said what you wanted to. Cause I think people would have seen the overall picture of the entire series better rather than just after game seven flop.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Let’s just be honest the process was done because you wanted to get multiple stars together to win multiple titles. Getting the stars was either through the draft or the assets you accumulated to get one. The 76ers besides the one year were they had Joel Embiid and Jimmy Butler have never really had the second star.

They’ve had guys we thought and hoped could be the second star. Ben Simmons never became that. Fultz was a bust. James Harden is past his prime and there’s never really been a clutch performer in deeper round of the playoffs. I like Tyrese Maxey, but he is not a transcendent star that you could go 1a and 1b with. He is more likely your third guy in the trio. 

so for years now, they failed to get that other star or let him walk out the building. And then on top of it, pissed away  the assets you accumulated ans cap space that was created by hinke on players who didn’t fit or weren’t good enough on a championship team. 

I think Maxey could be the McCollum to a Lillard.

But we dont have a Lillard. We just have an Embiid...

And McCollum and Lillard werent quite good enough to be championship contenders either.

I always say the 6ers need to just draft scorers. Not defenders. Not athletes. Scorers.

Those guys have the instinct. Those are the guys who take the last shots for their teams. You can teach them defense. Or, theyll pop off for a huge game and the defense wont be as important.

They draft, and sign role players who arent scorers. And then the team goes on long cold streaks every game. 

Im kind of interested in bringing Lillard in. He has preformed in the playoffs, unlike Harden. When Embiid is cold, Lillard can be draining 3s, and tough shots. I dont care about the defensive issues the lineup will create. Find a way to bring in scorers. Lillard is 1 step in the right direction.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think Maxey could be the McCollum to a Lillard.

But we dont have a Lillard. We just have an Embiid...

And McCollum and Lillard werent quite good enough to be championship contenders either.

Don’t consider McCollum a star. Lillard was a definitive star. McCollum was a good player but not enough to be the star that could be Robin or Batman. And i tend to think maxey is likely that. I think maxey is likely 3rd best player on a championship team. I think you could win a title with lillard, embiid and maxey cause offensively you’d have the fire power especially if you just get some role players with harris’ contract. Problem is you have no assets to get lillard here besides embiid and maxey. 

going full circle this all comes back to when we started the process it was about accumulating assets via the draft and cap Space to get star players to help win multiple titles. The only time the 76ers in this whole 10 years had two legitimate stars was Jimmy Butler and Joel Embiid. The rest of the time they had a fraud Ben Simmons, fultz who never panned out, broken down James Harden and Maxey who I think is a good player not necessarily a 1ab/1b star player. 

You can break down all the analyses you want, but this team just has too much loser stink on it and it reverberates throughout the whole team which is why you get games like today. Doc has been a loser the past ten years with an abysmal track record in blowing series leads and game 7’s. Joel is a regular season player who can’t stay healthy through the playoffs, and Harden is another regular season player who has always come up short in the playoffs. 
 

It’s one thing if you have one of those types and are trying to break the trend, but you can’t outrun three guys having that sort of dynamic. 

Going into the offseason sixers FO has to be real with themselves and this team. This team got to a game 7 but got blown out in 2 games. Handled down the stretch in the other two games they lost. Sixers looked great in game 5. But games 1 and 4 were toss ups that happened to both end in your favor. Imo i think the sixers as compared to the Celtics are likely closer to what you looked like in games 3 and 6 as opposed to games 1,4 and definitely not 5. 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Let’s just be honest the process was done because you wanted to get multiple stars together to win multiple titles. Getting the stars was either through the draft or the assets you accumulated to get one. The 76ers besides the one year were they had Joel Embiid and Jimmy Butler have never really had the second star.

They’ve had guys we thought and hoped could be the second star. Ben Simmons never became that. Fultz was a bust. James Harden is past his prime and there’s never really been a clutch performer in deeper round of the playoffs. I like Tyrese Maxey, but he is not a transcendent star that you could go 1a and 1b with. He is more likely your third guy in the trio. 

so for years now, they failed to get that other star or let him walk out the building. And then on top of it, pissed away  the assets you accumulated ans cap space that was created by hinke on players who didn’t fit or weren’t good enough on a championship team. 

I have to say; it’s been a fascinating ride.

The first issue is that the nba lacks life cycles.  Poor parity is one thing; even the nfl doesn’t have much in-season parity.  But every team has a life cycle.  Every bad team has a real crack at elite franchise-changing talent.  3/4 of the nba is in a state of hibernation.  Most drafts have 1-2 true stars and only 1 in 5 or so drafts nets a superstar that can go out and get a title.  Hinkie said he would aggressively pursue those players at the expense of investing in any window dressing…just lose.

A bad team became the talk of the nba.  That’s crazy.

Then there were the shady leadership changes.  And the players of the process…some bad luck, some good luck, some bad decisions.

IMO, the process began when they traded Jrue Holiday to net Nerlens Noel and another first.  That established rookies MCW and Noel as the first two player-assets of the process.  They beat Lebron’s Miami super team and all players were stripped unless it was a young talented rookie.  MCW and Noel were propped up as more than they ever were as they racked up stats on a losing team that just funneled them opportunity.  
 

The big 2014 draft…they really wanted Wiggins and Stauskas.  Things went sideways and they got Embiid and Šarić.  After another year of sucking, they wanted D’Angelo Russell.  Things again went sideways and they drafted a player they didn’t need or really want in Okafor.  Next draft lottery finally goes their way and delivers Ben Simmons, another player they had their eye on while tanking well in advance (like Wiggins).  Amidst all this, their high picks have a tendency for season ending injuries…and MCW and Noel are looking less and less like meaningful building blocks, so they get passed on for more assets.  
 

Then they trade up for Fultz.  And that was it.  The vast majority of riches from the process were spent.  As Embiid said…FEDS.  Fultz, Embiid, Dario, Simmons.  That was the culmination of the process.  That was supposed to be the championship group.

Embiid turned into a superstar and the rest were flops.  Along the way, they shuffled around their busts and remaining assets to have Jimmy Buttler over for a cup of coffee, bring in Harris, and to bring in what was left of Hardin.   Process version 1.2 morphed into what we’ve had the last 2 years.  Less youthful promise and upside, but slightly better spacing and at least guys that can truly ball out on occasion instead of future busts.

It’s truly been a fascinating ride.  There’s just no tweaking left to do now.  It’s Embiid and Maxey with minimal resources to add much else.

49 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Ive been saying it since before they gave him the super max. At the time, it seemed like you had to take the gamble, but it was one that appeared to me, destined to fail. Hes a regular season player. Hes never healthy for playoffs. And he lacks leadership. He has no killer instinct himself, and he doesnt demand it of his teammates. He only cares about individual accolades. 

 

They extended him. He gave us a few incredible regular seasons. This year he had the knee injury, supposedly, but magically became better and played as soon as he won that award, and seemed pretty unphased by his knee. He was as healthy as he is ever been in a post-season, and he stunk. 

 

Its time to trade him.  Along with letting Harden walk. And trading Harris.

Rebuild the stock of draft picks. This thing has to be blown up. Includes Doc, obviously. As well as Morey who continues to be horrible. Has done nothing good since he traded for Harden in Houston. Hes been riding on reputation ever since then.

Blow the whole thing up.

This.  The only other alternative I can think of where they can still compete with Embiid is to get Lillard but they just don’t have the resources to get him.

What a ****ot.... 

 

I am mild to moderately intrigued to see the strategy for Embiid's load management next year.

MVP has been won.  This 2nd round futility is turning into a pretty nasty criticism, as is Embiid's health and performance in the playoffs.  How far are they willing to go to save his best basketball for the playoffs next year?

2 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

This.  The only other alternative I can think of where they can still compete with Embiid is to get Lillard but they just don’t have the resources to get him.

Yeah... I dont know. Just thought of it because I was on the thought track of adding scorers to the team, and theres been rumors about Lillard. 

Probably would have to give up Maxey which is far form ideal at this point in Lillard's career.

Best package we can probably come up with for anyone is Harris, Melton, Reed. But even then, Reed is a RFA so we would have to re-sign him first and then probable cant trade him for like 3 months.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I am mild to moderately intrigued to see the strategy for Embiid's load management next year.

MVP has been won.  This 2nd round futility is turning into a pretty nasty criticism, as is Embiid's health and performance in the playoffs.  How far are they willing to go to save his best basketball for the playoffs next year?

Theyve done major load management for him in the past and have still had him injured for playoffs.

Theres nothing new to try here. Its been done and he is what he is. Regular season player.

Just now, eagle45 said:

I am mild to moderately intrigued to see the strategy for Embiid's load management next year.

MVP has been won.  This 2nd round futility is turning into a pretty nasty criticism, as is Embiid's health and performance in the playoffs.  How far are they willing to go to save his best basketball for the playoffs next year?

yeah...they basically played this season to get jo the mvp. now that he won it let someone else handle more of the regular season scoring load. jo shouldn't be battling for scoring titles & mvp's. it takes too much out of him.

Just now, mr_hunt said:

yeah...they basically played this season to get jo the mvp. now that he won it let someone else handle more of the regular season scoring load. jo shouldn't be battling for scoring titles & mvp's. it takes too much out of him.

This year is pretty inarguably the healthiest we have seen him in the playoffs. It doesnt appear that his ineffectiveness in this series was due to any sort of physical ailment. He didnt limp. Didnt look de-conditioned. Even got rid of the brace. Had the bounce to be a rim protector...

The fact that he played a bunch and won MVP, while he has been injured during major load management seasons pretty much kills the arguments. 

Its about time to stop making excuses for the guy.