6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

yeah, the president tends to garner a lot of attention.  anyway, both candidates are known for misspeaking. one is also known for outright lying a lot of the time. the debates will be must see tv. 

I don't see them even happening tbh.

Neither is very good at it.  Trumps advisors would never let it happen now.  And Biden, as somebody mentioned, should be happy to let all the focus stay where it is on the president.

25 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

he accidentally said million instead of thousand? oh, no!  have you heard trump speak?   

I think Trump is a liar, egotistical, manipulative, and misleading (so basically a politician), but I've never really viewed him as bordering on the edge of senility and feebleness like I think of Biden. You can make your pick as far as which set of characteristics are more damaging for a President to have. But this is what you get when you have a candidate who is almost 80 years old and another one in his 70s both in high-stressed situations.  

30 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The COVID debate garbage needs to stop.  It's politicized by everyone.  The case # graphs without context need to stop too.

I know the key numbers for my state.  I don't for other states or other countries.  They key numbers may be scarier, or more comforting that we know...I'm not going to argue either way.  But this is what we need...followed by a frank discussion.

Graph it out by state and for the whole country: daily new tests, daily new cases, daily new admissions, daily new intubations, daily new deaths, percentage ventilator capacity.  Retrospectively grab the data from March 1, and plot it out to each new day.  This will graphically show you the true disease burden.  We've got deaths (which is very unreliable), we've got cases...but we don't have the context of vents and tests.  

There was an enormous death spike today simply because of the addition of "probable deaths."  

It is a somewhat less proactive approach, but I think decisions, at this point, really need to be based upon intubations and ventilator capacity, not new cases.  The vaccine is not on the horizon and the virus is not getting squashed out.  If the burden is manageable, the gradual reopening should continue despite a spike in cases.

It's been done.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/ckelly2528#!/vizhome/COVIDDashboard-Public/Introduction?publish=yes

The "politics" are not about reopening, it's about reopening properly, which means mandatory masks for enclosed spaces and social distancing outdoors, testing - tracing - isolation to keep the infected from spreading the virus.

This has merely been preached by experts for three months - the only barrier to safely reopening have been the WH and Red State governors who wanted to reopen without these measures, and we're seeing the consequences.

No shoes, no shirt, no mask - no service. It really is that simple.

4 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I think "defunding" the police is not what we should be doing.  We need police accountability and to have them re-think policing.  I do think police purchases of military equipment need to stop.  This money should be spent on training.  They need to work on de-escalating primarily.  I also think broken window enforcement policies don't do anything other than burden the system and target poorer communities.   

I also think more funding needs to go to early intervention for kids.  I mean really programs like Head Start provide significant long-term benefits in schools.  Make those programs mandatory or more readily available.  Spending money on the front end of some of these issues leads to more productive citizens.  

Defunding is a poor term, a better term would be re allocating funds or refunding the community or something that doesnt sound like abolishing police.

While agree spending money on front end of said programs isnt bad i think looking at the systems that created the problems were funding to fix and eliminating the roots would be more effective.

What those root causes are and how to eliminate them is a whole other discussion that im not prepared to have right now.

But i agree funds for programs that have shown to have positive social outcomes are more needed than those that dont.

 

32 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The COVID debate garbage needs to stop.  It's politicized by everyone.  The case # graphs without context need to stop too.

I know the key numbers for my state.  I don't for other states or other countries.  They key numbers may be scarier, or more comforting that we know...I'm not going to argue either way.  But this is what we need...followed by a frank discussion.

Graph it out by state and for the whole country: daily new tests, daily new cases, daily new admissions, daily new intubations, daily new deaths, percentage ventilator capacity.  Retrospectively grab the data from March 1, and plot it out to each new day.  This will graphically show you the true disease burden.  We've got deaths (which is very unreliable), we've got cases...but we don't have the context of vents and tests.  

There was an enormous death spike today simply because of the addition of "probable deaths."  

It is a somewhat less proactive approach, but I think decisions, at this point, really need to be based upon intubations and ventilator capacity, not new cases.  The vaccine is not on the horizon and the virus is not getting squashed out.  If the burden is manageable, the gradual reopening should continue despite a spike in cases.

The case numbers from CDC should be fairly easy to present without context, yes?  It's either pos or neg.

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I think Trump is a liar, egotistical, manipulative, and misleading (so basically a politician), but I've never really viewed him as bordering on the edge of senility and feebleness like I think of Biden. You can make your pick as far as which set of characteristics are more damaging for a President to have. But this is what you get when you have a candidate who is almost 80 years old and another one in his 70s both in high-stressed situations.  

Biden grips his water glass more securely than Trump. And doesn't stumble on ramps.

Chris jones is a top 3 idl ,easily 

In fact ,Donald is only one I take over him.

 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Biden grips his water glass more securely than Trump. And doesn't stumble on ramps.

Where did he stumble down a ramp? 

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I think Trump is a liar, egotistical, manipulative, and misleading (so basically a politician), but I've never really viewed him as bordering on the edge of senility and feebleness like I think of Biden. You can make your pick as far as which set of characteristics are more damaging for a President to have. But this is what you get when you have a candidate who is almost 80 years old and another one in his 70s both in high-stressed situations.  

Ill take the vegetable soup over the tiny dictator, the soup  causes less damage and other in his admin can change the bed pan.

Where as the tiny dictator and his admin are creating a bed pan for all of us to live in😞😠

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I think Trump is a liar, egotistical, manipulative, and misleading (so basically a politician), but I've never really viewed him as bordering on the edge of senility and feebleness like I think of Biden. You can make your pick as far as which set of characteristics are more damaging for a President to have. But this is what you get when you have a candidate who is almost 80 years old and another one in his 70s both in high-stressed situations.  

trump is louder than biden. some interpret that as being energetic, i guess.   he rambles on incoherently all the time though. did you see his answer to hannity's question about what he'd do in a 2nd term?  word salad...jibberish.  happens all the time.   biden stutters & fumbles over some words too...but to me, at least has the ability to speak intelligently. trump...not so much.  anyway, it would be nice to have a potus who is closer to their prime, for sure. 

5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Where did he stumble down a ramp? 

Thats fair he didnt stumble, he just cautiously walked like a cripple on ice, dont wanna bust a hip,though im sure his diaper provides a fair amount of cushion😊

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

trump is louder than biden. some interpret that as being energetic, i guess.   he rambles on incoherently all the time though. did you see his answer to hannity's question about what he'd do in a 2nd term?  word salad...jibberish.  happens all the time.   biden stutters & fumbles over some words too...but to me, at least has the ability to speak intelligently. trump...not so much.  anyway, it would be nice to have a potus who is closer to their prime, for sure. 

Covfefe😕

The protests haven't been shown to increase the spread of the virus, at least so far.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

This is probably a combination of social distancing by non-protestors in some cities and widespread mask wearing outdoors by protestors.

On the other hand, any activity in an enclosed space, without masks, is a high probability spreader of the virus.

How many people wear masks in gyms? How many gyms are well ventilated (pulling air away instead of spreading it around the room?).

How many gyms will enforce limited occupancy during peak hours?

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Thats fair he didnt stumble, he just cautiously walked like a cripple on ice, dont wanna bust a hip though im sure his diaper provides a fair amount of cushion😊

Covfefe😕

My favorite covfefe meme:

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The protests haven't been shown to increase the spread of the virus, at least so far.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

This is probably a combination of social distancing by non-protestors in some cities and widespread mask wearing outdoors by protestors.

On the other hand, any activity in an enclosed space, without masks, is a high probability spreader of the virus.

How many people wear masks in gyms? How many gyms are well ventilated (pulling air away instead of spreading it around the room?).

How many gyms will enforce limited occupancy during peak hours?

I miss my gym but gyms always have and will be germ factories. Ill stay at home and work on my dad bod and live😊

15 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

My favorite covfefe meme:

 

Lol is that the poster who took his shirt off on the EMB😄

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

It's a wise strategy for a simple reason, elections like this are about the incumbent, not the challenger.

So by keeping a low profile, Biden keeps the attention on Trump, who is doing his best to self-destruct.

Another way of saying it: when a guy is digging his own grave, don't fight him for the shovel.

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's been done.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/ckelly2528#!/vizhome/COVIDDashboard-Public/Introduction?publish=yes

The "politics" are not about reopening, it's about reopening properly, which means mandatory masks for enclosed spaces and social distancing outdoors, testing - tracing - isolation to keep the infected from spreading the virus.

This has merely been preached by experts for three months - the only barrier to safely reopening have been the WH and Red State governors who wanted to reopen without these measures, and we're seeing the consequences.

No shoes, no shirt, no mask - no service. It really is that simple.

Nothing on vents there, but I agree about masks.  This doesn't necessarily suggest an increasing burden of disease.

14 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Another way of saying it: when a guy is digging his own grave, don't fight him for the shovel.

I remember the GOP primaries the election before Trump that Romney won.

Every debate Mitt would just sit there and smile as candidate after candidate buried themselves saying stupid stuff.

Herman cain would answer every question with 999

Jimmy Dean got slammed for whooping like a moron.

Rick perry for **** rock

Newt for suggesting president of the moon😄

Ben Carson falling a sleep during answers...

Mitt just didnt say anything and won the nomination, highly entertaining 

I imagine a debate with trump and biden would be like watching two guys playing bingo reclining in their lazy boys while being fed jell-o before their burping and nap😄which is even more disturbing that Trump and all the horrible and stupid stuff he said and did not only won the nomination but got elected. I mean Dan quayles political career was over after he mis spelled potato. One would have thought we were in Ireland at the time😒

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

OH MY GOSH...a politician being a politician??? This is the groundbreaking news from the left now. Past that there isn't a leader in this world who knows exactly what to do with this thing because not even the doctors can agree. In the fact of that President Trump is leading us by trying to get our country back to normal to save the economy. I don't think people understand just how critical that is for the country. 

Except now it’s having the opposite effect on the #1 industry in Florida: Tourism/Hospitality.  Opening up too soon here has shown to be catastrophic.  The company I work for (one of the largest in the world) was projecting a below average but increasing rate of occupancy for the month of July and a continued increase in August.  

With the new spike in cases all those projections have gone out the window and many hotels and resorts are now re-considering either partial or full shutdowns once again.  Opening back up too soon has literally sunk the tourism industry in Florida and with it, its economy; since everything in Florida revolves around the tourism industry.

 

46 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Kist and Solak discusses Jamal Adams and both agreed that the cost of giving up a premium pick and paying him market rate was untenable for Philly and agreed that he’s a souped up Jenkins in Philly. 

Are you paraphrasing or quoting? 😉

38 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The protests haven't been shown to increase the spread of the virus, at least so far.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

This is probably a combination of social distancing by non-protestors in some cities and widespread mask wearing outdoors by protestors.

On the other hand, any activity in an enclosed space, without masks, is a high probability spreader of the virus.

How many people wear masks in gyms? How many gyms are well ventilated (pulling air away instead of spreading it around the room?).

How many gyms will enforce limited occupancy during peak hours?

One of the things I heard Dr. Fauci say today in the briefing was regarding contact tracing.  He said they will be sending more people out into the infected areas and physically tracking down possible places and individuals of spreading.

This is the most important thing right now, because it's all about testing.  And it's one of Trump's worst lies to the American people.  He always says, "we test better than any other country in the world".  Well, one of the most important parts of testing is in contact tracing, specifically tests per confirmed case.  And we are massively bad at it:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-covid-19-tests-per-confirmed-case?tab=table

12.  That's it.  With our resources and programs.

Hopefully what Fauci talked about today will result in that going up.

48 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Except now it’s having the opposite effect on the #1 industry in Florida: Tourism/Hospitality.  Opening up too soon here has shown to be catastrophic.  The company I work for (one of the largest in the world) was projecting a below average but increasing rate of occupancy for the month of July and a continued increase in August.  

With the new spike in cases all those projections have gone out the window and many hotels and resorts are now re-considering either partial or full shutdowns once again.  Opening back up too soon has literally sunk the tourism industry in Florida and with it, its economy; since everything in Florida revolves around the tourism industry.

 

Cause people were really going to travel? It wouldn't make a difference when they opened. This started in February with less than 100 people and spread to this. We could stay inside until November and as soon as we did it would blow up again cause I guarantee at least 100 people in the US would have it. Common sense. This thing spreads like bushfires. 

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Hot take, clickbait garbeege

I think I'm one of the few that likes Simms.  I've been watching profootball talk on NBCsports, and he's been breaking down 2 of his top 40 QBs per day for over a month.  He is by far the best analyst on TV right now in my opinion.  He is completely in the weeds with film study, mechanics, and he takes into account all QBs who are in a terrible situation or a very favorable situation.  

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Cause people were really going to travel? It wouldn't make a difference when they opened. This started in February with less than 100 people and spread to this. We could stay inside until November and as soon as we did it would blow up again cause I guarantee at least 100 people in the US would have it. Common sense. This thing spreads like bushfires. 

It could be maintained a whole heck of a lot better if people listened. How many stories do we have to hear about people knowingly being infected and still going out to do things?

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Only two ahead of wentz i think you could make the case wentz is right there is Lamar jackson and watson. Lamar was incredible last year but I’d like to see him do it Again. His rookie year he was solid but like wentz exploded his second season. To me watson and wentz are close. Frankly outside of mahomes those are the two QBs I’d take if we were going QBs under 30.

Don’t know how cam newton is 10. Literally he hasn’t been great in a couple years and is breaking down physically. Also think tannehill is way too high for a guy who may have just gotten hot for 8 games and in the playoffs henry carried him. Also some guys i move in front of baker mayfield like Goff, drew lock, darnold and even burrow. But then again i didn’t like mayfield out of college and last year with a ton of weapons he didn’t look good. I rather have any of those four over him and i don’t particularly like Goff. 

If it helps, I know these rankings are where he ranks these QBs as of this moment going into next season.  I guess that doesn't really help with Cam, especially because there's a decent chance he won't even play.  However, that's why he has Brees and Brady so far down.  They showed a ton of decline in their play last year.  

FYI - If Wentz didn't have the injuries, I'd take him over Watson 100 times out of 100.