Hard for me to say Hurts reached his ceiling at 23 under center for first season. I actually don’t believe it at all. Noticed so many easily fixable parts of his game that I expect much more. Some fundamental foot work and mechanics will take him to a whole other level. Main difference will just be having a legit WR room. Think they will instill the trust for him to give that extra look downfield a bit more….instead of take off. But can’t blame him with a rook being by far his best guy. But Quez just doesn’t seem like he’s been dependable yet. He’s obviously been a developmental player. Which it looks we are getting rewarded for. But how much has he made the correct reads and been where he’s supposed to be? Think he’s been a bit shaky so far there. Hard to really know without benefit of tha playcall and playbook. Having Reagor number two would kill my trust in hanging on to the ball for the pass also. Main thing is just don’t want Hurts developing too many bad habits. 

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hard for me to say Hurts reached his ceiling at 23 under center for first season. I actually don’t believe it at all. Noticed so many easily fixable parts of his game that I expect much more. Some fundamental foot work and mechanics will take him to a whole other level. Main difference will just be having a legit WR room. Think they will instill the trust for him to give that extra look downfield a bit more….instead of take off. But can’t blame him with a rook being by far his best guy. But Quez just doesn’t seem like he’s been dependable yet. He’s obviously been a developmental player. Which it looks we are getting rewarded for. But how much has he made the correct reads and been where he’s supposed to be? Think he’s been a bit shaky so far there. Hard to really know without benefit of tha playcall and playbook. Having Reagor number two would kill my trust in hanging on to the ball for the pass also. Main thing is just don’t want Hurts developing too many bad habits. 

Lmao this is just a load of BS. Hurts easily had better receiving group then half the NFL(yes this includes TE). His issues holding the ball to long isn’t something new and is unlikely to change that his QB style. For better or worse mobile QBs hold the ball longer. As for taking off and running he took off an ran when he had guys wide open First and foremost he has to beat teams with his arm.

Now as you said he is 23 he can improve and he does have a even better supporting cast no excuses for him. The Eagles should easily Be able to make the decision to keep and extend or move on at the end of 2023. 

I can’t think really of any QB I wasn’t either sold on or thought needed to be moved on from after two years of playing(no not years in the league actually playing)

35 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I can’t think really of any QB I wasn’t either sold on or thought needed to be moved on from after two years of playing(no not years in the league actually playing)

Eagles QBs or NFL QBs? I doubt anybody was sold on Brees in that span ... or Steve Young ... or Troy Aikman ... or Josh Allen ... or Terry Bradshaw ... or Dan Fouts ... 

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao this is just a load of BS. Hurts easily had better receiving group then half the NFL(yes this includes TE). His issues holding the ball to long isn’t something new and is unlikely to change that his QB style. For better or worse mobile QBs hold the ball longer. As for taking off and running he took off an ran when he had guys wide open First and foremost he has to beat teams with his arm.

Now as you said he is 23 he can improve and he does have a even better supporting cast no excuses for him. The Eagles should easily Be able to make the decision to keep and extend or move on at the end of 2023. 

Like I said he didn’t have the trust built up with his Wr room. AJ will be huge there with their relationship. He hasn’t been a big TE guy. So that we saw him learning. Really think I saw progress at the end. Just wasn’t how he did things. Now some of this I’d say is actually permanent limits. He just isn’t going to be able to practice and become taller. At 6’1” he can’t see Over Dickerson and Mailata. He will always struggle in the pocket with his non prototypical size.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Eagles QBs or NFL QBs? I doubt anybody was sold on Brees in that span ... or Steve Young ... or Troy Aikman ... or Josh Allen ... or Terry Bradshaw ... or Dan Fouts ... 

I do like Josh Allen one did overlook him. Can’t really put a ton of stock in guys that played in completely different eras coming into the league.

How much has the QB position changed in 20 years when Brees got drafted let alone 30-40-50 years for the other guys 

22 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

6’1” he can’t see Over Dickerson and Mailata. He will always struggle in the pocket with his non prototypical size.

Drew Breas was 6ft did just fine in the pocket, Wilson is 5’11 pretty good in the pocket. McNabb was only 6’2 was alright in the pocket. 
 

Plenty of shorter QBs have found success working the pocket.

Dak is starting to be a pretty good pocket QB. Definitely plenty of guys Hurts can go watch the help him work the pocket as a smaller QB 

7 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I do like Josh Allen one did overlook him. Can’t really put a ton of stock in guys that played in completely different eras coming into the league.

How much has the QB position changed in 20 years when Brees got drafted let alone 30-40-50 years for the other guys 

Actually not all that much. Completion percentages are up. Main thing is the mugging the DBs is down. So interceptions and completions obviously improve. Harder game back then for a QB. But the O guys wrested more back then. Think AJ that bully old school like that. Pretty excited!

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Actually not all that much. Completion percentages are up. Main thing is the mugging the DBs is down. So interceptions and completions obviously improve. Harder game back then for a QB. But the O guys wrested more back then. Think AJ that bully old school like that. Pretty excited!

I disagree completely.  The game has changed a ton.  Kids know the details of plays now.  Has been that way for years now.  The expanded playback from a young age all through college has prepared these guys for the NFL way better than years ago.  Especially anything related to the passing game... that's all phases....throwing, routes, coverage and blocking schemes.  

11 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Eagles QBs or NFL QBs? I doubt anybody was sold on Brees in that span ... or Steve Young ... or Troy Aikman ... or Josh Allen ... or Terry Bradshaw ... or Dan Fouts ... 

All the guys you listed had NFL arms, we're waiting to see that from Hurts and it needs to be this year

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

All the guys you listed had NFL arms, we're waiting to see that from Hurts and it needs to be this year

Those guys had NFL brains. They could read a defense. This is where Hurts needs to improve.

No amount of locker room leadership and slogans on t-shirts is gonna fix his ability to read a defense. 

I’m just saying there is a reason why for the prototype size for a QB

11 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I do like Josh Allen one did overlook him. Can’t really put a ton of stock in guys that played in completely different eras coming into the league.

How much has the QB position changed in 20 years when Brees got drafted let alone 30-40-50 years for the other guys 

Acting like we can't discuss or compare football to different "eras" is kind of a joke. Regardless of any subtle changes that have occurred over the years, young players still need time to grow and develop into the better players they eventually became. This is not an era-specific phenomenon. The main things that have changed over the years is the number of pass attempts has increased and TEs and RBs are more important to the passing game than they used to be. These changes began decades ago, though. It's comical to me how people act like the NFL is so much different at the end of Brees' career than at the beginning. It really is not. Regardless of my opinions on football over the "eras," it will always  be normal for young players (especially QBs) to take time to develop. Those that come in and impress from day 1 are the rare exception, not the norm. 

 

2 hours ago, CouchKing said:

Those guys had NFL brains. They could read a defense. This is where Hurts needs to improve.

No amount of locker room leadership and slogans on t-shirts is gonna fix his ability to read a defense. 

I honestly don't feel like Hurts is lacking in "brains." I do believe he has a lot to learn and so far, has relied on his feet when things get uncomfortable. But coaching and experience both should help him get more comfortable. If he's as smart as I believe he is, he'll learn from his mistakes and watching film and improve in the areas he clearly needed to improve in based on last season. 

2 hours ago, CouchKing said:

Those guys had NFL brains. They could read a defense. This is where Hurts needs to improve.

No amount of locker room leadership and slogans on t-shirts is gonna fix his ability to read a defense. 

That and he needs to make the throws. One read and run won't cut it in the NFL. We got him all the tools,now it's on him

14 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I honestly don't feel like Hurts is lacking in "brains." I do believe he has a lot to learn and so far, has relied on his feet when things get uncomfortable. But coaching and experience both should help him get more comfortable. If he's as smart as I believe he is, he'll learn from his mistakes and watching film and improve in the areas he clearly needed to improve in based on last season. 

Arm strength, accuracy,  getting the ball out in under 6 secinds(LOL), more than 1 read. These are all the things we need to see from him or we go QB shopping next draft

14 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Acting like we can't discuss or compare football to different "eras" is kind of a joke. Regardless of any subtle changes that have occurred over the years, young players still need time to grow and develop into the better players they eventually became. This is not an era-specific phenomenon. The main things that have changed over the years is the number of pass attempts has increased and TEs and RBs are more important to the passing game than they used to be. These changes began decades ago, though. It's comical to me how people act like the NFL is so much different at the end of Brees' career than at the beginning. It really is not. Regardless of my opinions on football over the "eras," it will always  be normal for young players (especially QBs) to take time to develop. Those that come in and impress from day 1 are the rare exception, not the norm. 

 

I agree when you say Brees era.... but when you mention Dan Fouts... that's a little different there.   

Looking at these young QBs... they seem to jump in and have success... or at least look competent pretty early on.

This is a big year for Hurts.  At the end of the season we will see how he looks after year 3, with more than 2 full seasons of starting, 2 full offseasons and seasons in the same system, and with a well above average supporting cast in his offense. 

That product we see at the end is my focus.  I'm expecting improvement, how much and of its enough is the ultimate question. 

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Arm strength, accuracy,  getting the ball out in under 6 secinds(LOL), more than 1 read. These are all the things we need to see from him or we go QB shopping next draft

Exaggeration aside, Hurts can and needs to absolutely improve in every area. We'll have to watch and see if it happens. I'm pretty confident it will happen. Others don't share my confidence. 

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Arm strength, accuracy,  getting the ball out in under 6 secinds(LOL), more than 1 read. These are all the things we need to see from him or we go QB shopping next draft

You are saying he holds the ball too long but the saying he only has one read or run….these two statements don’t really add up. Which is it? 

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I agree when you say Brees era.... but when you mention Dan Fouts... that's a little different there.   

Looking at these young QBs... they seem to jump in and have success... or at least look competent pretty early on.

This is a big year for Hurts.  At the end of the season we will see how he looks after year 3, with more than 2 full seasons of starting, 2 full offseasons and seasons in the same system, and with a well above average supporting cast in his offense. 

That product we see at the end is my focus.  I'm expecting improvement, how much and of its enough is the ultimate question. 

When and how are you judging the coaching in all this? Are you even considering the difference of McVay versus a Urban Meyer offense? What is the ceiling of a Steichen/Siri offense? Especially come postseason and big games.

https://www.nfl.com/news/von-miller-was-ready-to-join-cowboys-but-didn-t-want-to-take-that-much-less

Kind of weird. I thought No Massaid the Cowboys can’t even try to add anybody.

5 year 70 million is a large chunk for a team that doesn’t possess any means to add talent.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You are saying he holds the ball too long but the saying he only has one read or run….these two statements don’t really add up. Which is it? 

Different every play,lacks consistent play 1) hold the ball too long 2) 1 read and panic run so technically both hings needs to stop

13 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Exaggeration aside, Hurts can and needs to absolutely improve in every area. We'll have to watch and see if it happens. I'm pretty confident it will happen. Others don't share my confidence. 

I don't think anyone doubts improvement will happen.  The starting point of where he has shown so far in basic QB skills of reading and throwing... have been pretty low.  No doubt he improves on that....how much is the question.