Anyone heard how much the starters will play in PS 1?

18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We all hope Ham is right and he takes that needed step up. Arm strength will always be suspect. You can add muscle and add a yard or 3 but you have what you have,so you need to work on other things to offset it. Accuracy is a HUGE one. Brady has a better arm than Hurts,but Brady can process defenses,make 4 reads in 3 seconds and get the ball away. Those are the skills Hurts will need if he wants a long term deal.  A play designed for someone(nearly every pass play) doesn't mean you can't go through your reads. If the initial read is not there Hurts needs to hit someone else. If the coach is any good, he will understand that play needs tweaked and/or scrapped in lieu of a play where your initial read IS open. So Siri has some growing to do as well as Hurts. We have Strong, Shew for this year(I hope we pull a Foles and give him a chance to start somewhere else getting nice capital returns for him) and Hurts. I feel all 3 are capable of ;leading this team. At least we aren't stuck with the likes of Sudfelds and Daniels' anymore,so IMO Howie improved that room which is his job

I disagree... the best QB room was Wentz and Foles.  This to me is not a good NFL QB room....  not yet anyway, all need to prove they are a QB a team can win with.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I disagree... the best QB room was Wentz and Foles.  This to me is not a good NFL QB room....  not yet anyway, all need to prove they are a QB a team can win with.

Who was QB 3 and could he have led the team if called upon? Overall this is a better room and there are 2 QB's we can use as trade pieces if we want to. You don't feel Shew could step in and win with this team?(I still feel he is the better QB for THIS team and if Strong pans out he could be a the steal of the draft)

On 8/4/2022 at 6:26 PM, joemas6 said:

Lol... so athletic ability is an intangible now too?    

Shaquille O'Neil had that intangible with his size....lol

 

On 8/4/2022 at 6:26 PM, joemas6 said:

Lol... so athletic ability is an intangible now too?    

Shaquille O'Neil had that intangible with his size....lol

C’mon…..Kelce isn’t that special of an athlete. Any pro player is. But amongst the NFL guys he was labeled as not having any real special traits. That’s why he fell to the end of the draft.

Kelce has that leadership. Stepped in day one like he belonged. Real tough and always lead by example. Real grounded guy. Took him quite awhile to make any real money in the league. So that probably helped. He was getting sixth rounder pay to start while the others guys were making millions.

He underrated wise. But sure list off all the elite traits Kelce had over other Oline like Lane and Mailata. What do you say they are?

On 8/4/2022 at 6:31 PM, joemas6 said:

I would wager Stout at 51% of the decision.   Howie only jumps in if they can move Seamulo to get cap space and/ draft picks.   Otherwise Howie wouldn't have any reason to care.   

Idk who this Opeta guy is, has he actually played for us or another one of these Emmanuel Acho August AllStars you guys like?

Thinking Opeta might be a name you should learn. Guy is a solid looking player. Just needs the chance at this point and he’ll flourish.

On 8/4/2022 at 6:31 PM, joemas6 said:

I would wager Stout at 51% of the decision.   Howie only jumps in if they can move Seamulo to get cap space and/ draft picks.   Otherwise Howie wouldn't have any reason to care.   

Idk who this Opeta guy is, has he actually played for us or another one of these Emmanuel Acho August AllStars you guys like?

I think the plan has been completely laid out at RG already. Rosie probably practically gave the directive. He would prefer his new shiny draft pick to win the job. Makes him look good. Think Opeta would also work out really well. But it needs to look like they earned it over the much higher priced starting vet. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think the plan has been completely laid out at RG already. Rosie probably practically gave the directive. He would prefer his new shiny draft pick to win the job. Makes him look good. Think Opeta would also work out really well. But it needs to look like they earned it over the much higher priced starting vet. 

Was there even a discussion? I think Rosie lays out what’s best financially for the team. But he also has a mega ego. So making himself look brilliant comes first always.

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I remember getting laughed out by one of the dudes on here " Brian" I think his name was " idk, like Ham he had a nickname for everyone"  ...I said Kelce was a Jeff Saturday type, intelligent and mobile, but a little undersized.  I preferred that over the Jamal guy who was the C before him.    Idk, I think game smarts is a tangible thing. The instinct to make a quick decision is very tangible.  People accusing Hurts of not working hard enough to recognize defenses... I said it's a skill to be able to process that info and see the field in a couple seconds as 300lb guys come after you.  Anyone can sit and watch film without any pressure and do it over time... but at game speed is a skill not everyone masters.

I don’t know if anybody has it mastered at 23

11 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Really we really going to sit here and act like Kelce didn’t measure well in pretty much every category besides his weight.

Thats what made Kelce fall to the 6th round being like a 280-290 pound OL. 
 

Sure the fact he is a smart guy helped him but we going to act like the system he played under in Philly didn’t factor in???? Have 3 great OL coaches???? The fact he could move like very few others could how many times have we seen Kelce downfield at the 2nd level playing C. 

They definitely played to his strengths. But you could see how a huge behemoth could also work and do sone things he can’t. Blasted the DT or Nose off the line for one yard he’s never been excellent at.

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Kelce runs like a FB or TE.... his ability to get out in space and block is rare.   His footwork isn't an intangible.    The ability to call the blocking scheme ( while obviously a mental part of the game)  is still a fundamental " tangible" part of the position.   Much like seeing the field/ reading a defense for a QB. 

I agree he has intangibles... but you can't play the position like he does without his very tangible skills.   

Calling out the blocking and much of what he died there I refer to as leadership mostly. In the locker room also. Guy has helped keep sone poor teams that were struggling together and made some miracle playoff runs because of it. Plenty of teams turn and go rogue when things go that far south.

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I remember getting laughed out by one of the dudes on here " Brian" I think his name was " idk, like Ham he had a nickname for everyone"  ...I said Kelce was a Jeff Saturday type, intelligent and mobile, but a little undersized.  I preferred that over the Jamal guy who was the C before him.    Idk, I think game smarts is a tangible thing. The instinct to make a quick decision is very tangible.  People accusing Hurts of not working hard enough to recognize defenses... I said it's a skill to be able to process that info and see the field in a couple seconds as 300lb guys come after you.  Anyone can sit and watch film without any pressure and do it over time... but at game speed is a skill not everyone masters.

Who ever said Hurts hasn’t worked hard at anything? Crazy talk. Him being in a new offense every year probably took its toll on him learning to adapt the offense according to the D playcall somewhat. The guy has plenty to learn on that front ….but he’s smart enough. Works hard. That’s all coaching at that point. Heck Siri or Steichen are in his ear. They should practically be calling these things out right? Clearly can show him and teach him D coverages. Maybe he could use some coaching from a DC coach on that.

9 hours ago, stine said:

  Joe, I am not disagreeing with you. I just feel he will probably start the season as a back up. He may well end up being the best RG they have. So Dickerson on one side and him on the other. A luxury for sure....

I’m voting Opeta right now. Think the dude will take off if he wins the job and plays some. Think Jurgens has been giving the green light though. If he can just handle the job Rosie wants him out there next to Kelce. Invaluable to have him learn between Lane and Kelce. Don’t think you pass that up unless he’s a disaster.

8 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

I just read that Stafford has severe tendonitis in his throwing arm and can't practice.

Yeah, he’s old and thrown a ton of balls. Surprised guys arms are lasting so long now.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who was QB 3 and could he have led the team if called upon? Overall this is a better room and there are 2 QB's we can use as trade pieces if we want to. You don't feel Shew could step in and win with this team?(I still feel he is the better QB for THIS team and if Strong pans out he could be a the steal of the draft)

Strong isn’t cutting it. Which is real bad for him considering this is supposed strong suit stuff. Hasn’t needed the mobility as much practicing. Turns out the Strong armed QB isn’t all that’s needed at all. Looks like you and No Mas ideas equal practice squad QB.

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Right.. I believe it's a skill to be able to make quick decisions.  Experience and film work help a ton, but ultimately it comes down to how each individual either has it or not.    With Hurts, we are still at that basic level.  He is going to have to show he can find the WR and make the throw when it's not the primary.    His instinct to run is there and he is a good runner.  That's his foundation, the reason he is a pro athlete.  The QB skills, the fundamental parts of being a passer, he needs to develop them.  If he does, and can learn to make throws going to his left.  He will be tough to stop. 

Sounds about like every young QB, doesn’t it? Hurts dies more than just run. He wasn’t getting stuck with all those sacks like the previous guy. Those were killers. He kept us on schedule for the most part. Plenty of times I think the opposite of Primary or run. He held the ball a bit too long waiting for stuff to happen. Think changing out Reagor for AJ will show a big difference. Think he started learning to utilize the TE that he hadn’t really done as much before. Quez and Smitty should be much improved this season. Can’t discount those when blaming the QB. WR room was garbage.

Young WR we had last year didn’t help the QB on scramble drills. Got come back and give him the target. This is a key part of our offense with QB1 I’d think.

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Right.. I believe it's a skill to be able to make quick decisions.  Experience and film work help a ton, but ultimately it comes down to how each individual either has it or not.    With Hurts, we are still at that basic level.  He is going to have to show he can find the WR and make the throw when it's not the primary.    His instinct to run is there and he is a good runner.  That's his foundation, the reason he is a pro athlete.  The QB skills, the fundamental parts of being a passer, he needs to develop them.  If he does, and can learn to make throws going to his left.  He will be tough to stop. 

Has it or not? That’s more in the intangible category. Quick decisions I’d also say is intangible. How do you measure it?

Kelce intangibles are through the roof. That’s what i see makes the difference. His grit, determination, leadership, fortitude. He isn’t the biggest, strongest or fastest. 

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We all hope Ham is right and he takes that needed step up. Arm strength will always be suspect. You can add muscle and add a yard or 3 but you have what you have,so you need to work on other things to offset it. Accuracy is a HUGE one. Brady has a better arm than Hurts,but Brady can process defenses,make 4 reads in 3 seconds and get the ball away. Those are the skills Hurts will need if he wants a long term deal.  A play designed for someone(nearly every pass play) doesn't mean you can't go through your reads. If the initial read is not there Hurts needs to hit someone else. If the coach is any good, he will understand that play needs tweaked and/or scrapped in lieu of a play where your initial read IS open. So Siri has some growing to do as well as Hurts. We have Strong, Shew for this year(I hope we pull a Foles and give him a chance to start somewhere else getting nice capital returns for him) and Hurts. I feel all 3 are capable of ;leading this team. At least we aren't stuck with the likes of Sudfelds and Daniels' anymore,so IMO Howie improved that room which is his job

He worked with House to improve sone mechanics. I’d say he has several areas he can improve his distance throws. Stepping into it. Turning his shoulders to face. Think House might have him throwing slightly more direct overhead also. But he’s shown quality distance throws to me. Those sideline throws aren’t short. Plenty of air travel even if it isn’t tons downfield.

I doubt Brady knew everything about every defense coming out of college. But he had Bellicheat. That stuff is coachable. Really got put that on them. If he was Murray or Vick and just didn’t put in the work…that’s one thing. This kid will learn it and work at it. Get on it coach. Don’t blame him but so much here.

Don’t understand why anybody would think he can’t learn to read defenses. Have to explain that to me.

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

UGH

Kind of good news for us. They are a major roadblock for us to get to the SB.

Think without Stafford that levels the playing field between us. They are so much more talented all around. We just aren’t anywhere near where they’ve been for years.