4 minutes ago, BayAreaLennie said:

All his recent actions would say otherwise. In the aftermath of the Super Bowl victory, he thought they had a roster that could win the SB again and used draft capital and resources to gather veteran players.  (That strategy blew up in his face with tons of veteran injuries,). He understood that that window had slammed shut with last season’s results and reversed tactics, jettisoning veterans and acquiring draft picks.

I think it was made obvious that everyone knew going in this was going to be a rebuilding year. The question is does Howie still believe that is the case.

1 minute ago, BayAreaLennie said:

This.  So much this.  Yet everybody on these boards seems to assume that every drafting mistake was Roseman, and every success is someone else.  It just doesn’t work that way.

The thing that makes Howie become the focal point is that Howie survives while everyone gets dumped. Heck consider the SB team. Wentz gone, Foles gone, and Pederson is gone, but Howie is still here? How is Howie absolved from all accountability when only 2 players remain on this roster from the 2016 and 17 drafts? But again Joe Douglass was here then too so once again the pot gets muddled. 

12 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

If Howie keeps the picks you would think he has to get at least one of them right. Well you hope anyways. 

Actually I change my mind Barnett is a bust he has more penalties then sacks that's just sad

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Actually I change my mind Barnett is a bust he has more penalties then sacks that's just sad

It’s really hard to nail down what the Eagles draft philosophy is now. It just feels like throw a lot of bodies at a problem and hope something sticks. You knew under the Reid era they brought into offensive and defensive lines early and often. Now it just feels like they over think everything. Ultimately I still have a vibe the Eagles will go QB chasing at some level this offseason. 

34 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

35 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

He went out there and became MVP and demanded a trade. Wentz had the worst season of his career and demanded a trade. I don’t see how Wentz did it better considering his poor play worsened his value and he’s basically on a team that only beats bad teams. Drafting Hurts was "stupid” as you say, but it doesn’t happen if Wentz the guy they paid all that money to doesn’t get hurt at a critical moments in the season once again. Howie told us their plans. He said they looked at the roster at the end of the season and whoever wasn’t there they drafted. He drafted wide receivers and a quarterback. The year prior they tried to draft a quarterback as a backup in the latter rounds and he didn’t even survive preseason. They needed and inexpensive backup with some talent, because every time the team was in the post season they needed to use their backup quarterback. The bottom line is both sides have their share of blame here. 

I agree Wentz is to blame as well. He handled the situation wrong and I think having a bad year was just a combination of things: he was trying too hard, he was pissed about drafting Hurts, injuries to the OLine, poor receivers, and bad play calling. 

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s really hard to nail down what the Eagles draft philosophy is now

Really ????  Let me show you.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Really ????  Let me show you.

Seems like this is way too many hits for the Eagles philosophy right now. 😂

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s really hard to nail down what the Eagles draft philosophy is now. It just feels like throw a lot of bodies at a problem and hope something sticks. You knew under the Reid era they brought into offensive and defensive lines early and often. Now it just feels like they over think everything. Ultimately I still have a vibe the Eagles will go QB chasing at some level this offseason. 

At times it feels like the "American Pickers" draft strategy.

8 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

 

Most of that stuff was going to fix itself. The line got hurt so that would’ve changed the next season once people got healthy again. The Eagles drafted more weapons that offseason. Basically if Wentz plays well Hurts isn’t even a factor. In fact if Wentz played better that year he could’ve just demanded they move Hurts just like Brady made the Pats move on from Jimmy G. There are many examples in the league of teams drafting quarterbacks while they have one. This isn’t a new thing. Heck at one point the Eagles had McNabb, Vick, and a 2nd round pick in Kolb on the roster. 

5 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

At times it feels like the "American Pickers" draft strategy.

Just throw crap at the wall and hope something sticks. 

10 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

At times it feels like the "American Pickers" draft strategy.

Hey they get some nice stuff!

2 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Hey they get some nice stuff!

Sometimes you get a Brandon Brooks and sometimes you get an Eric Wilson. 🤷‍♂️

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Seems like they want to use those acquired picks to trade for a veteran quarterback and that is why they have been linked to all of them who might be on the move. Heck the only players they actually have moved were players who requested trades. If they really thought they were rebuilding then why sign vets like Nelson or Wilson at all? Why continue to extend Lane and Fletcher? It doesn’t feel like they’re committed to a full rebuild at all. It actually feels like they think they’re just a quarterback away from greatness. 

Why does it seem like that?  Because the lazy stupid media looks around at who has a bunch of draft capital and throws the Eagles into every trade rumor in an effort to drive eyeballs to their site?  I mean, c’mon.

Of course they kick the tires on which QBs are available and what it would take to acquire them — it would be malpractice not to when your QB room has zero proven NFL winners in it.  And of course they try to compete in the short term with some low risk from a long term perspective signings of veterans.  It’s not full rebuild or bust in the NFL … youre just trying to constantly morph your roster in the right direction.

Roseman has managed to pick up a lot of draft capital without blowing the roster to smithereens.  Frankly, what he’s done there — setting up to have perhaps three top 15 picks — is unprecedented and nothing less than amazing.  He’s not going to blow all that in some lopsided trade for a mediocre aging veteran QB that is not a long term solution.  Roseman gets his share of justifiable criticisms, but a propensity to waste draft capital in unwise trades is just not one of them.

10 minutes ago, BayAreaLennie said:

Why does it seem like that?  Because the lazy stupid media looks around at who has a bunch of draft capital and throws the Eagles into every trade rumor in an effort to drive eyeballs to their site?  I mean, c’mon.

Of course they kick the tires on which QBs are available and what it would take to acquire them — it would be malpractice not to when your QB room has zero proven NFL winners in it.  And of course they try to compete in the short term with some low risk from a long term perspective signings of veterans.  It’s not full rebuild or bust in the NFL … youre just trying to constantly morph your roster in the right direction.

Roseman has managed to pick up a lot of draft capital without blowing the roster to smithereens.  Frankly, what he’s done there — setting up to have perhaps three top 15 picks — is unprecedented and nothing less than amazing.  He’s not going to blow all that in some lopsided trade for a mediocre aging veteran QB that is not a long term solution.  Roseman gets his share of justifiable criticisms, but a propensity to waste draft capital in unwise trades is just not one of them.

He traded a third for a slot receiver for a team that had no outside receivers but ample slot receivers. He also traded a 3rd and a 5th for a corner turning 30. Also I don’t think I would call Wilson, Rodgers, and Watson "mediocre.” 

4 minutes ago, BayAreaLennie said:

Why does it seem like that?  Because the lazy stupid media looks around at who has a bunch of draft capital and throws the Eagles into every trade rumor in an effort to drive eyeballs to their site?  I mean, c’mon.

Of course they kick the tires on which QBs are available and what it would take to acquire them — it would be malpractice not to when your QB room has zero proven NFL winners in it.  And of course they try to compete in the short term with some low risk from a long term perspective signings of veterans.  It’s not full rebuild or bust in the NFL … youre just trying to constantly morph your roster in the right direction.

Roseman has managed to pick up a lot of draft capital without blowing the roster to smithereens.  Frankly, what he’s done there — setting up to have perhaps three top 15 picks — is unprecedented and nothing less than amazing.  He’s not going to blow all that in some lopsided trade for a mediocre aging veteran QB that is not a long term solution.  Roseman gets his share of justifiable criticisms, but a propensity to waste draft capital in unwise trades is just not one of them.

I hope your right but we know they put a lot of emphasis on QB and I just don't think there will be any morphing next year without a QB. I just don't know where else you get an upgrade this year.

I hope your right but we know they put a lot of emphasis on QB and I just don't think they believe there will be any morphing next year without a QB. I just don't know where else you get an upgrade this year.

2 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I hope your right but we know they put a lot of emphasis on QB and I just don't think they believe there will be any morphing next year without a QB. I just don't know where else you get an upgrade this year.

It’s important to remember this team didn’t want to trade Wentz which basically means they were planning to run it back. They used the "Pederson didn’t want to change” as an excuse, but they were planning to run it back themselves. They just wanted a coach that was more willing to listen to them and not someone who was going rogue. A team doesn’t keep looking into veteran quarterbacks if they are looking to rebuild especially a team that just traded their quarterback away. 

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s important to remember this team didn’t want to trade Wentz which basically means they were planning to run it back. They used the "Pederson didn’t want to change” as an excuse, but they were planning to run it back themselves. They just wanted a coach that was more willing to listen to them and not someone who was going rogue. A team doesn’t keep looking into veteran quarterbacks if they are looking to rebuild especially a team that just traded their quarterback away. 

Apparently my cat wanted to get in on this discussion...sorry about the repeat posts. We'll just have to see how they play their hand. All I keep thinking is great....we have all these picks and one of the worse QB draft classes in years.

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

He traded a third for a slot receiver for a team that had no outside receivers but ample slot receivers. Also I don’t think I would call Wilson or Watson "mediocre.” 

Wait, are you talking about Golden Tate?   Who they picked up a supplemental 4th round pick for the next offseason when they did not sign him?  LOL.  If that is the example of a "bad” trade made by Roseman of the literally hundreds he has made, you just made my point for me.

I would not call Watson or Wilson mediocre either.

I would love the Eagles to pick up a QB with Watson’s age and skills, but like for every other team out there, the availability risks and stain from the sexual assault allegations have clearly arrested their interest.

And Wilson is an interesting case.  He will be 33 this month and depends on his athleticism for a lot of his value - I don’t see him as a guy worth ponying up 3 first round picks for at this point, and I doubt Roseman does either, but if the price was right, I’d be fine with picking him up.

Again, of course Roseman has been asking about those guys - they are better than what they have and that is what a GM is supposed to do.  It doesn’t mean Roseman is going to give up a fortune in draft capital to get them.

25 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I hope your right but we know they put a lot of emphasis on QB and I just don't think they believe there will be any morphing next year without a QB. I just don't know where else you get an upgrade this year.

This is a very fair point.  It is difficult to see how the Eagles are going to have a QB capable of winning a Super Bowl on the roster next season.  Their current QBs don’t look like it (unless Hurts takes some giant strides forward) and the incoming college crowd does not look like it.  They will be itching to find that guy — I just don’t think they will do something desperately foolish in an attempt to fix that hole.

1 hour ago, BayAreaLennie said:

Wait, are you talking about Golden Tate?   Who they picked up a supplemental 4th round pick for the next offseason when they did not sign him?  LOL.  If that is the example of a "bad” trade made by Roseman of the literally hundreds he has made, you just made my point for me.

I would not call Watson or Wilson mediocre either.

I would love the Eagles to pick up a QB with Watson’s age and skills, but like for every other team out there, the availability risks and stain from the sexual assault allegations have clearly arrested their interest.

And Wilson is an interesting case.  He will be 33 this month and depends on his athleticism for a lot of his value - I don’t see him as a guy worth ponying up 3 first round picks for at this point, and I doubt Roseman does either, but if the price was right, I’d be fine with picking him up.

Again, of course Roseman has been asking about those guys - they are better than what they have and that is what a GM is supposed to do.  It doesn’t mean Roseman is going to give up a fortune in draft capital to get them.

They traded a 3rd and got a supplemental 4th. That’s not a good deal. While I do agree that Roseman isn’t likely going to give up everyone of these picks for someone like Rodgers or Wilson he is willing to make the deal the fact he’s sniffing around just concerns me that he thinks this team is just a quarterback away and he loaded up on these picks to get that guy. The original Wentz draft just shows how far Roseman will go if he thinks he has the guy. Also you have to consider that quarterbacks are now playing into their 40s. Roseman might not think it’s a big deal to give up a few firsts and Jalen Hurts for a quarterback he could still have for 7-10 years. To be clear though this isn’t what I want. If anything I believe and hope the Eagles find a way to stockpile more picks, but something tells me they will try to make a bold move for a quarterback. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

While I do agree that Roseman isn’t likely going to give up everyone of these picks for someone like Rodgers or Wilson he is willing to make the deal the fact he’s sniffing around just concerns me that he thinks this team is just a quarterback away and he loaded up on these picks to get that guy.

Do you know what though... I don't think Howie does think they are just a QB away. Howie is good at 1 thing... Job preservation. If he gets a Wilson or a Rodgers then he buys himself another year or two. If things don't work out during that time then he likely lays blame on the HC for not maximising a HoF type QB.

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Do you know what though... I don't think Howie does think they are just a QB away. Howie is good at 1 thing... Job preservation. If he gets a Wilson or a Rodgers then he buys himself another year or two. If things don't work out during that time then he likely lays blame on the HC for not maximising a HoF type QB.

All the more reason to do it then. 😂

1 hour ago, Thing3 said:

Apparently my cat wanted to get in on this discussion...sorry about the repeat posts. We'll just have to see how they play their hand. All I keep thinking is great....we have all these picks and one of the worse QB draft classes in years.

Everything that happened so far is about 2022. At that point the Eagles have more cap space, and a lot of draft capital. I don’t think they believe this needs to be a long process. In 2016 it seemed like they weren’t a year away from a SB. Wentz played out his mind. Seriously some of the numbers he put up on third down and in the Red Zone are just insanely good! On top of that nearly every FA move Howie made and nearly every trade came out great. Their rookies weren’t nearly as impactful as their FA and trade moves. 

1 hour ago, BayAreaLennie said:

This is a very fair point.  It is difficult to see how the Eagles are going to have a QB capable of winning a Super Bowl on the roster next season.  Their current QBs don’t look like it (unless Hurts takes some giant strides forward) and the incoming college crowd does not look like it.  They will be itching to find that guy — I just don’t think they will do something desperately foolish in an attempt to fix that hole.

You could add Brady or Mahomes and we’d still be in the same boat of not being in position to win a championship.  Too many holes/lack of talent across the roster as a whole.  

5 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i wonder what wouldve happened with that pick if clowney didnt cheapshot wentz. 

We would've lost the game, the Seahawks had already owned Wentz earlier in the season and he'd completed one pass in four attempts when he left the game, you can't prove a hypothetical, but if they ever invent time travel I'd bet every cent I have that Wentz even wearing the giant anti concussion helmet I tell him to wear after stepping out of the time machine still loses that game to Seattle. He got a big pat on the back for throwing 4000 yards in 2019, but he was on a downward trajectory even then his performances against Seattle and New England that year were absolutely rotten.