The DAL secondary isn't good, but their run D last year was horrible.  I haven't watched either of their games this season, but it appears TB never committed to the run (50 passes, 14 runs) and the Chargers running game was about 6 yards per carry.

Pound the ball between the tackles right through them, especially on the road.  Keeps their offense off the field and shortens the game.  I'd like to see 25-30 rushes again from Sirianni and the offense.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

But can he throw it in the first half before arm fatigue sets in and we have to go to the bullpen.

Greg Ward’s ERA is 15.00 after that throw attempt. 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Actually I said it. And I will stand by it until I see/feel otherwise

Fair enough.   

I think that the deep ball is really more about the timing of the throw.  I don't think he can throw a late deep ball.  But, if he gets the ball out on time, deep throws aren't an issue.  But, if there's a delay for whatever reason... he's not going to be able to get it out in front of the receiver enough.

I don't really care about that part though.   What has me most concerned is the vast number of throws to the short side on the right... a few throws to the left (and short) and nearly nothing in the 10+ range to the middle or left.  Other than the TD to Smith in Week 1, has he thrown over 10 yards to his left?  Maybe 3 times total so far.   Is he not seeing the whole field?  Not confident over the middle?   Or is that being taken away, or not part of the game plan for some reason?   

 

We need more data, but if the throw chart doesn't start to show a more uniform distribution, throwing short and right is going to get shut down.

37 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Who accused someone of being racist?

I just quoted it in the Jalen Hurts discussion and tagged you

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So are people going to watch the regular broadcast or the Peyton/Eli broadcast?

I think I'm going to have to record the Manning one and re-watch it later. I'm interested to hear what they point out about this offense but I don't think watching live I can pay attention to everything. 

I can't stand the regular MNF broadcast... so I am going Mannings, because why not?

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Fair enough.   

I think that the deep ball is really more about the timing of the throw.  I don't think he can throw a late deep ball.  But, if he gets the ball out on time, deep throws aren't an issue.  But, if there's a delay for whatever reason... he's not going to be able to get it out in front of the receiver enough.

I don't really care about that part though.   What has me most concerned is the vast number of throws to the short side on the right... a few throws to the left (and short) and nearly nothing in the 10+ range to the middle or left.  Other than the TD to Smith in Week 1, has he thrown over 10 yards to his left?  Maybe 3 times total so far.   Is he not seeing the whole field?  Not confident over the middle?   Or is that being taken away, or not part of the game plan for some reason?   

 

We need more data, but if the throw chart doesn't start to show a more uniform distribution, throwing short and right is going to get shut down.

which is all part of it.

4 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Sure but that’s gotta be one of the easiest throws a QB has to make…Right?

Not really.  I've seen some film guys show bad vs good.

1. The air yards aren't insignificant.  The field is 53.3 yards wide.  So the ball still needs to travel horizontally maybe 15-20 yards. 
2. It's also not the normal throwing motion.  There isn't a drop back.  And because it's critical to get the ball out a quickly as possible, it's not a throw where you have the time to set your feet.
3. Ball placement is vital.  Even if it's easily catchable, if the ball is on the wrong hip or requires the WR to bend over or reach up, then the timing is all messed up.

You saw Miles suffer last year with bad ball placement.  The passes were technically catchable, but nowhere near where they should be considering the air yards involved.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not really.  I've seen some film guys show bad vs good.

1. The air yards aren't insignificant.  The field is 53.3 yards wide.  So the ball still needs to travel horizontally maybe 15-20 yards. 
2. It's also not the normal throwing motion.  There isn't a drop back.  And because it's critical to get the ball out a quickly as possible, it's not a throw where you have the time to set your feet.
3. Ball placement is vital.  Even if it's easily catchable, if the ball is on the wrong hip or requires the WR to bend over or reach up, then the timing is all messed up.

You saw Miles suffer last year with bad ball placement.  The passes were technically catchable, but nowhere near where they should be considering the air yards involved.

Speaking of, Sanders has looked much better catching the ball this year. 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

which is all part of it.

Is this a job for the Blog Glossary Police?

I would suggest that the general public and the majority of football fans will interpret "Can't throw the deep ball" as a function of arm strength and foot work.

I believe @Iggles_Phan point is more related to reading the field and decision-making.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Because you'll get the side interviews and then have to see half of the screen used up by them talking and being stupid.  MNF is not as bad as it's been in years past.  The Manning broadcast will be like Romo on steroids and half of the screen.  hard pass.  

I haven't checked out MNF all year, so this will be a first for me.   Good scouting report.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Fair enough.   

I think that the deep ball is really more about the timing of the throw.  I don't think he can throw a late deep ball.  But, if he gets the ball out on time, deep throws aren't an issue.  But, if there's a delay for whatever reason... he's not going to be able to get it out in front of the receiver enough.

 

6 minutes ago, greend said:

which is all part of it.

And it is a clear arm strength issue.  He needs to have perfect mechanics to get the ball that far.  The under throw at the goal line, Mahomes, Allen and Rodgers would have thrown that ball on the move and got it there.  Because he has to get set up, he threw it late.  The guys I mentioned the ball would have been out as soon as they looked up field.

It's all an issue. Hurts needs to see it open before he throws. That makes the throw late. Then he doesn't have the arm strength to compensate for slow processing. The times he has thrown a good deep/intermediate ball are all first reads on man coverage. TD to Smith, throw to Watkins, throw to Reagor. All were able to quickly get a step on the defender.

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Is this a job for the Blog Glossary Police?

I would suggest that the general public and the majority of football fans will interpret "Can't throw the deep ball" as a function of arm strength and foot work.

I believe @Iggles_Phan point is more related to reading the field and decision-making.

 

If you throw it late it may look like you lack the arm strength, no?

Here is a good example @Iggles_Phan and @greend, 1:55 mark of this video.  

50 yard throw that is all arm.  Jalen Hurts would have to set up and have his base perfect to throw this ball, and would have been sacked setting up.

The next throw in the video shows the same thing, 60 yard throw on the move with no set up.

 

 

The late throw to DeVonta Smith at the goal line did travel 60 yards.  McNabb used to do the play-fake, half-roll, and deep throw in rhythm.  Hurts just had that delay trying to check downfield instead of trusting it and letting the ball go.  

35 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No one has said he can't throw a deep ball.  That's a straw man that keeps getting tossed out.   What he hasn't done is throw deep over the middle... or even intermediate over the middle.  That's where windows generally close faster than the outside where you can throw an arced ball.  

So, the question is why hasn't he thrown the ball over the middle, and that's where the conjecture comes in.  It's those over the middle throws that require more arm strength, because of the small windows and how fast they close.  Throwing a rainbow in there gets a receiver killed, the pass picked off, or leads to a lot of break ups.    I guess the question is: Why hasn't he thrown there?  

This isn’t true. 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The late throw to DeVonta Smith at the goal line did travel 60 yards.  McNabb used to do the play-fake, half-roll, and deep throw in rhythm.  Hurts just had that delay trying to check downfield instead of trusting it and letting the ball go.  

His delay was getting his base set up to be able to make that throw, and he then took a false step after setting up.  Look at the two throws in the video above I posted, Mahomes throws that pass on the move.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

This isn’t true. 

So I see.   

Just now, downundermike said:

His delay was getting his base set up to be able to make that throw, and he then took a false step after setting up.  Look at the two throws in the video above I posted, Mahomes throws that pass on the move.

His delay was rolling too far to his right for some reason.  He didn't need to roll that far, or do the crow hop.  

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Just proving the notion that QB's get hurt more in the pocket is false.  If you took all of the QB injuries, and then put that against total plays in and out of the pocket, it would be more outside the pocket injuries per play.

4 guys in one week isn't enough data to " prove" anything.

Would be interesting to see say 3 years worth of data on how often qbs get hurt on contact while passing as opposed to contact from running.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

His delay was rolling too far to his right for some reason.  He didn't need to roll that far, or do the crow hop.  

But look at the video I posted, if he had the arm strength he should have thrown it on the move.  Mahomes threw a ball 65 yards on the same roll out without setting up at all.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

But look at the video I posted, if he had the arm strength he should have thrown it on the move.  Mahomes threw a ball 65 yards on the same roll out without setting up at all.

Is anyone arguing that Hurts has the arm strength to make Mahomes-like throws?

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

But look at the video I posted, if he had the arm strength he should have thrown it on the move.  Mahomes threw a ball 65 yards on the same roll out without setting up at all.

Mahomes is a freak who can make any throw from any arm angle or platform. Like, an unprecedented freak of nature throwing the ball. Hurts will never be on the same level as Mahomes in terms of arm strength and everybody knows that. 

32 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

@justrelax

Have you had a chance to watch the All 22 yet? Any notes on Kelce? It seemed to be one of the worst games of his career to my glancing eye. Any thoughts on that?

I saw the same thing just from watching the TV broadcast.  It looked like he got abused most of the day.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

But look at the video I posted, if he had the arm strength he should have thrown it on the move.  Mahomes threw a ball 65 yards on the same roll out without setting up at all.

He's not Mahomes.  Not many are.  So, I'm not going to compare him to Mahomes.  The play was there to be made, with Hurts, with Hurts' arm.  Hurts just didn't release the ball when he needed to.  He took at least two more steps and a crow hop that made the ball come out very late.  

I don't think that anyone would argue that Hurts has an arm even remotely close to Mahomes.  

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