Aerolithe_Lion Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, downundermike said: Yes I get that 17th game thing with Brown, but our team played 17 games last year, again, the top 3 WR's were Devonta - 916 yards Goedert - 830 yards Quez - 647 yards. So if AJ had 1100 yards, were are those other 200 yards coming from ?? Our QB's passed for 3583 combined yards last year. The only way for AJ to be 1000+, the QB's need to pass for 4000 yards at a minimum. Like I said before, it’ll be both. Hurts will approach 4k, and the combined yards of everyone not AJ will likely go down. Obviously Quez is the biggest impacted player as he’s no longer on the field in 12 personnel, and even sharing time with other guys as the #3 in 11’s. No team’s #3 WR is out there in every single 3-man set, but many #1’s play 50+ plays a game. Ertz’s numbers removed, Reagor had 300 yards that’ll likely not be there as he’ll be the 4/5/gone, it’ll be a combination of all factors. Devonta can develop and even improve next year while dropping in yards. He’s no longer the number 1 guy, he’ll no longer regularly be the first read by a QB who doesn’t make many progression reads, he’ll rarely be out there in 22 or 13 personnel. When a play breaks down and Hurts is running for his life, it won’t be DeVonta anymore that his eyes will glue to when he’s scrambling out and deciding whether or not just to run it. How many of DS’s yards did he get from that? It did seem like a lot, and Hurts was doing that a lot. AJ with over 1100; and he, Goedert, Smith could very possibly combine for 3000+ yards with the team finishing in the 3700-4100 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austinfan Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 We will see. What matters is how the offense plays, not the QB, not the WRs, but the offense as a unit. "Just win baby." Sirianni had 3 different QBs in 3 years in Indy, now Hurts. He knows how to adjust an offense to a QBs strengths and weaknesses. And he's had a year to work with the Eagle players. My suspicion is the offense will be built on the running game, but more wide open than the second half of last season, he won't try to make Hurts into Brady Jr, but he won't use Hurts as much as a runner, more of a change of pace and look for the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCiggles Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, downundermike said: Not defending Wentz as he played like hot garbage, but, did those other QB's have a different starting O Line combo every week ?? Did those QB's have offensive lineman stopping mid play to fix their equipment ?? Did those teams have the equivalent of Greg Ward and Travis Fulgham as their leading WR's ?? Did those QB's have a coach whose QB was struggling, and his solution was to go on a 4 game stretch of a 25:75 run pass ratio ?? Once again, Wentz played like hot garbage, but the front office and coaching staff did absolutely nothing to help him. Jalen Hurts got Devonta Smith, he got a massive upgrade up front in Landon Dickerson, the coaching staff went run heavy when he was struggling. It is almost like they had a secret meeting every week and tried to find new and creative ways to screw Wentz over. There wasn't some conspiracy against Wentz but there were poor decisions that led to bad players playing around him. The o-line was just bad luck and it was really only one year. Part of the blame, however, is that Wentz did not adjust his game and adequately assess his weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDUB1510 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: If you don't want to make it about Wentz and the QB position as a whole, then you can blame yourself for starting the discussion by posting a tweet about Wentz. 🤣 The tweet wasnt just about wentz though. It was also about the game we tanked and the players we acquired. I thought the diagram was cool so i posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCiggles Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 20 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said: The mental gymnastics people will try to make here when Hurts has a great season will be fun to watch. People have fairly assessed Hurts for the most part. If he has a great season, most bloggers will be happy about it. He has to improve dramatically as a passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, austinfan said: Goedert got paid, most of the time players are unhappy, it's because they're approaching their contract year and it hurts their negotiating position. Once paid, only the egomaniacs obsess over stats, the character players focus on winning. Until that contract comes due again... or someone else gets paid more and they look at their current deal as being too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, austinfan said: We will see. What matters is how the offense plays, not the QB, not the WRs, but the offense as a unit. "Just win baby." Sirianni had 3 different QBs in 3 years in Indy, now Hurts. He knows how to adjust an offense to a QBs strengths and weaknesses. And he's had a year to work with the Eagle players. My suspicion is the offense will be built on the running game, but more wide open than the second half of last season, he won't try to make Hurts into Brady Jr, but he won't use Hurts as much as a runner, more of a change of pace and look for the defense. The QB pretty much dictates how the offense plays... that's why it is the most highly paid position on the field, and by a huge margin. It's why teams unload tons of draft resources in order to acquire one and desperately search when they don't have one. When the QB struggles, the offense struggles, because the QB has the ball in his hands literally every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, NCiggles said: People have fairly assessed Hurts for the most part. If he has a great season, most bloggers will be happy about it. He has to improve dramatically as a passer. Yup. He's extremely limited right now, and his limitations are holding back the offense. If that changes, it changes and people will acknowledge it. Right now, he's not close to good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, NCiggles said: People have fairly assessed Hurts for the most part. If he has a great season, most bloggers will be happy about it. He has to improve dramatically as a passer. No they haven't. All offseason all we heard about from the blog was how he could not score in the second half and there was no reason to believe that this would change. Blog also determined that his 50% completion percentage as a rookie could not be improved upon to get to the point of being 60%+. Blog has been anything but fair in their assessments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerolithe_Lion Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 1:42: In the last 4 drafts, 40 receivers have been taken in the first or second round. 34 of them have already proven to be good NFL WRs, all on various levels of their rookie contracts. Only 6 guys out of 40 didn’t show out. Round of applause for Reagor and JJAW, Ladies and gentleman. It’s hard to push against the trend, but they’re Defying the odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndyTaker Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, austinfan said: We will see. What matters is how the offense plays, not the QB, not the WRs, but the offense as a unit. "Just win baby." Sirianni had 3 different QBs in 3 years in Indy, now Hurts. He knows how to adjust an offense to a QBs strengths and weaknesses. And he's had a year to work with the Eagle players. My suspicion is the offense will be built on the running game, but more wide open than the second half of last season, he won't try to make Hurts into Brady Jr, but he won't use Hurts as much as a runner, more of a change of pace and look for the defense. Why did it take him 2 months into the season for him to make obvious adjustments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoEagle Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said: No they haven't. All offseason all we heard about from the blog was how he could not score in the second half and there was no reason to believe that this would change. Blog also determined that his 50% completion percentage as a rookie could not be improved upon to get to the point of being 60%+. Blog has been anything but fair in their assessments. Those were completely fair criticisms after his first season. And to his credit, he did improve in both. Though....early in the season moreso, the 2nd half points came in garbage time, but he still at least produced something in garbage time. The criticisms have changed as he's had more time to play and show his weaknesses. And his weaknesses are fatal flaws for a QB. If he can improve on this flaws this year, many here would be happy to eat crow and embrace him. The problem is, we've seen many QB's not improve, and many of his weaknesses are things he hasn't improved on since college. So the realistic expectation is he likely won't improve to the level where Howie extends him to a long term, high value contract. We hope he does, because it sets up the team the best, but we also can look at things from both sides. You seem unwilling to acknowledge his flaws, for some strange reason. @austinfan mentions "just win baby".....well....when Hurts can beat a playoff team, I guess we might get excited. But until then, he's got to prove it on the field. Not meaningless platitudes in press conferences that make for fun sound bites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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austinfan Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said: <br /> This smells more and more like something in the works for a year, had to wait until after the draft, but it looks like a self-evaluation, identifying the underperformers, since it seems they already had a list prepared of people they wanted to talk to after the draft. Get everyone hired in late spring, so the pro scouts are ready for the exhibition season (scouring for waiver wire candidates in conjunction with the college scouts) and the college scouts can start preparing for the fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb235 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said: What? Adding AJ Brown makes the expectation top 6-8? Maybe the unrealistic expectation. To get within the top 10 would be a more reasonable expectation. The Eagles scored 444 points last year. The Chargers were fifth in the league with 474 points. That is a reasonable goal. The Eagles had 6,119 yards last year. The Bills were fifth with 6,493 yards. That is a reasonable goal. 10th would be 450 points and 6,215 yards. Scoring six more points and generating 96 more yards next season wouldn't be a sign of progress to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 hour ago, KDUB1510 said: Never said it wasnt. You think Howie knew Wentz would completely fold after the Hurts pick? When the pats drafted Jimmy G in the 2nd rd, Brady went out and won another Super Bowl. When the Packers drafted Jordan Love in the 1st rd, Rodgers went out and won back to back MVP's. When the 9ers mortgaged the future to draft Trey Lance, Jimmy G led them to the NFC championship. When the eagles drafted Jalen Hurts in the 2nd rd, Wentz played like the worst f*%king QB in the league. Howie moved on and the team will be better for it, cap hit be damned. Yes, I think he should have known. Plus he drafted Wentz so either way he get's the criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Shiznit Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Was listening to a draft podcast and one of the analyst said that Will Anderson Jr is the best prospect regardless of position to come out since Calvin Johnson in 2007... Sheesh! That is insane praise. It sucks that we need a QB or we could have packaged our picks to go get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 54 minutes ago, austinfan said: We will see. What matters is how the offense plays, not the QB, not the WRs, but the offense as a unit. "Just win baby." Sirianni had 3 different QBs in 3 years in Indy, now Hurts. He knows how to adjust an offense to a QBs strengths and weaknesses. And he's had a year to work with the Eagle players. My suspicion is the offense will be built on the running game, but more wide open than the second half of last season, he won't try to make Hurts into Brady Jr, but he won't use Hurts as much as a runner, more of a change of pace and look for the defense. "Just win baby against non playoff teams" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawkdaballhawk Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Why would we criticize Hurts if he starts to win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 35 minutes ago, UndyTaker said: Why did it take him 2 months into the season for him to make obvious adjustments? Well I think they were hoping that Hurts would learn a few things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCiggles Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, austinfan said: We will see. What matters is how the offense plays, not the QB, not the WRs, but the offense as a unit. "Just win baby." Sirianni had 3 different QBs in 3 years in Indy, now Hurts. He knows how to adjust an offense to a QBs strengths and weaknesses. And he's had a year to work with the Eagle players. My suspicion is the offense will be built on the running game, but more wide open than the second half of last season, he won't try to make Hurts into Brady Jr, but he won't use Hurts as much as a runner, more of a change of pace and look for the defense. I don't think the team shouldn't play to their strengths. At the same time, this team isn't a contender unless Hurts becomes a much better passer and the defense is a top 5 unit. Sirianni should design the offense in a way that envisions an efficient passing Hurts. Sure they can run the ball but they need to figure out if Hurts can do more in order to know whether they need to upgrade the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said: Why would we criticize Hurts if he starts to win? Because we are racist haters......................................duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CouchKing Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 2 hours ago, mikemack8 said: Jalen Hurts has a press conference Boomer Bloggers: That's ageism. 10 points for hating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 hour ago, austinfan said: We will see. What matters is how the offense plays, not the QB, not the WRs, but the offense as a unit. "Just win baby." Sirianni had 3 different QBs in 3 years in Indy, now Hurts. He knows how to adjust an offense to a QBs strengths and weaknesses. And he's had a year to work with the Eagle players. My suspicion is the offense will be built on the running game, but more wide open than the second half of last season, he won't try to make Hurts into Brady Jr, but he won't use Hurts as much as a runner, more of a change of pace and look for the defense. Are you ever going to address my post talking about the records in the playoffs of teams in the top 10 in rushing vs top in passing ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDUB1510 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, greend said: Yes, I think he should have known. Plus he drafted Wentz so either way he get's the criticism. Well there's nothing they can do about it now so like i said before, it is what it is. We move forward with Hurts/Strong/23' rookie and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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