At least BG is coming off of an Achilles tear. Cox is just doing Cox things

The front 4 are all on BIG money and are just not performing.

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Quick, now do BG

Last 6 games:

152 snaps

1 QB hit

0 sacks

2 TFL

4 tackes

1 boneheaded penalty

I said during the offseason it’s awesome to have smith and aj brown. I’d have probably done the same thing as the WR needed major fixing due to poor draft and development. However because you spent 3 1st rounders and a 2nd on WR over 4 consecutive drafts you were gonna have some sacrifices and effected at other positions. A cause and effect and sacrifice that could be tied to that is emerging. having to stick with Cox and graham as major contributors a year longer than we should’ve and signing Barnett back on a 1 year deal. 

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Isn't there the elusive pressure stat to factor in?  Also, I haven't seen him on roller skates - but yeah he isn't killing it out there.  

The whole DL is incredibly overrated. Been saying it the last few years.  There's no one to fear.  No one to game plan against and no one who can really change a game on the DL.

 

Just now, bpac55 said:

The whole DL is incredibly overrated. Been saying it the last few years.  There's no one to fear.  No one to game plan against and no one who can really change a game on the DL.

 

I'm still waiting for Gannon to use Reddick more creatively, but he doesn't blitz much and doesn't run a lot of games (honestly tough to do, when you don't have the run contained). 

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The whole DL is incredibly overrated. Been saying it the last few years.  There's no one to fear.  No one to game plan against and no one who can really change a game on the DL.

 

The DL next year really only has sweat and Davis back. I don’t know who’s in FA but I’m guessing they’ll make a splash of one becomes available. I’d say Davenport but he’s having a really down year for the saints. So maybe they get him cheap. He’s been good the previous years when he has stayed healthy. Had 9 sacks in 2021 

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I'm still waiting for Gannon to use Reddick more creatively, but he doesn't blitz much and doesn't run a lot of games (honestly tough to do, when you don't have the run contained). 

Sometimes i sit and think which defensive coordinator irritated me more during games with some of their schemes/game plan: Gannon or Schwartz. Then i realize it’s Gannon as Schwartz the last couple years here had some secondaries with massive injuries and a lot more injuries than this team has had with Gannon. 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Thanks to a Casey Toohill TD, the prediction winner of the week goes to @Diehardfan whose reverse jinx backfired, predicting a 20-27 loss. 

Bonus Winners are:

@Casey @ Bat @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! @jamiller @Utebird who all had some form of DeVonta Smith TD

@Connecticut Eagle Eagles trail at some point in the 2nd half

@paco Gibson and Robinson each score a TD

@WentzFan11 Eagles lose and Hurts isn't blamed at all

 

On to Saturday on Sunday

Yeah, I guess I have to start trying to pick games for real now.

The DL last night did not put on pressure on the QB.  The first series might just be lucky to get the sack and TO. which resulted in a TD.  Give the Commanders the credit of rushing often but short yards.  Time of possession was way favorable to them.  Cox and Graham did not produce much.  Graham's penalty at the end of the game was truly dump, which killed any chance to get back to the game.  Well, this one is on the book now.  Move on, learn from the mistakes and win the next ones.

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The DL next year really only has sweat and Davis back. I don’t know who’s in FA but I’m guessing they’ll make a splash of one becomes available. I’d say Davenport but he’s having a really down year for the saints. So maybe they get him cheap. He’s been good the previous years when Jes stayed healthy. Had 9 sacks in 2021 

Zach Allen, he's a nice base end with some versatility.  No idea what he'll command.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Sometimes i sit and think which defensive coordinator irritated me more during games with some of their schemes/game plan: Gannon or Schwartz. Then i realize it’s Gannon as Schwartz the last couple years here had some secondaries with massive injuries and a lot more injuries than this team has had with Gannon. 

Shorts would drive you nuts, but he'd make something from nothing every once in awhile - I'm not sure Gannon can do that.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said during the offseason it’s awesome to have smith and aj brown. I’d have probably done the same thing as the WR needed major fixing due to poor draft and development. However because you spent 3 1st rounders and a 2nd on WR over 4 consecutive drafts you were gonna have some sacrifices and affects elsewhere. An effect and sacrifice that could be tied to that is emerging is having to stick with Cox and graham as major contributors a year longer than we should’ve and signing Barnett back on a 1 year deal. 

It's been an ongoing issue.  They can't draft DL to save their life.  This is the last 10 years of drafting DL for the Eagles.

This list includes 3 1st round picks a 3rd round pick and 2 4th round picks.  16 players drafted on the DL over the last decade.  56.5 sacks total, 1 "Pro Bowl" and 2 offensive lineman created.  I know sacks aren't the only thing that matters but let's be real, it's the measuring stick.  For as good as Stoutland has been at coaching OL, the Eagles have had terrible coaches across the DL.  To draft that many players and not be able to develop any of them is pathetic.  

2022- Jordan Davis, Kyron Johnson

2021- Milton Williams, Patrick Johnson, Tarron Jackson, Marlon Tuipulotu- 4 sacks

2020- Casey Toohill

2019- Shareef Miller

2018- Josh Sweat- 21 sacks

2017- Derek Barnett, Elijah Qualls- 21.5 sacks

2016- Alex McCallister

2015- Brian Mihalik

2014- Marcus Smith, Taylor Hart, Beau Allen-  6 sacks

2013- Bennie Logan, Joe Kruger, David King- 5 sacks

Maybe I should go over defensive players as a whole.  Not sure we would fair much better looking at who they have drafted over the last decade who's made a true impact.

 

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Thanks to a Casey Toohill TD, the prediction winner of the week goes to @Diehardfan whose reverse jinx backfired, predicting a 20-27 loss. 

Bonus Winners are:

@Casey @ Bat @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! @jamiller @Utebird who all had some form of DeVonta Smith TD

@Connecticut Eagle Eagles trail at some point in the 2nd half

@paco Gibson and Robinson each score a TD

@WentzFan11 Eagles lose and Hurts isn't blamed at all

 

On to Saturday on Sunday

damn, I couldn't even get 10 yards out of Covey.

19 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Shorts would drive you nuts, but he'd make something from nothing every once in awhile - I'm not sure Gannon can do that.

Yeah i tend to agree. i liked Schwartz even with the frustrating moments and picket fence defense. I actually defended him on here on many occasions. He actually could make players who likely had no business playing at the level they were. The 2018 run he had a depleted secondary and still managed to get the defense playing competently down the stretch. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

damn, I couldn't even get 10 yards out of Covey.

Almost but his longest return of 8 was wiped out by roughing the kicker 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

It's been an ongoing issue.  They can't draft DL to save their life.  This is the last 10 years of drafting DL for the Eagles.

They just hit on their most recent DL pick (Jordan Davis).

I do agree with your overall point that DL development has been bad. I was disappointed with the Tracy Rocker hire, because of his poor track record of developing DL. No DL is playing better because of Rocker, and that's a problem. We've gotten DB development (Epps, Josiah Scott, Maddox) through Dennard Wilson. Edwards has gotten better at LB. Who exactly improved at DL?

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's been an ongoing issue.  They can't draft DL to save their life.  This is the last 10 years of drafting DL for the Eagles.

This list includes 3 1st round picks a 3rd round pick and 2 4th round picks.  16 players drafted on the DL over the last decade.  56.5 sacks total, 1 "Pro Bowl" and 2 offensive lineman created.  I know sacks aren't the only thing that matters but let's be real, it's the measuring stick.  For as good as Stoutland has been at coaching OL, the Eagles have had terrible coaches across the DL.  To draft that many players and not be able to develop any of them is pathetic.  

2022- Jordan Davis, Kyron Johnson

2021- Milton Williams, Patrick Johnson, Tarron Jackson, Marlon Tuipulotu- 4 sacks

2020- Casey Toohill

2019- Shareef Miller

2018- Josh Sweat- 21 sacks

2017- Derek Barnett, Elijah Qualls- 21.5 sacks

2016- Alex McCallister

2015- Brian Mihalik

2014- Marcus Smith, Taylor Hart, Beau Allen-  6 sacks

2013- Bennie Logan, Joe Kruger, David King- 5 sacks

Maybe I should go over defensive players as a whole.  Not sure we would fair much better looking at who they have drafted over the last decade who's made a true impact.

I agree with you but I’d argue based off where Logan, Allen and sweat were drafted they got great value for them. Problem is everyone else (excluding Davis right now) has not lived up to where they were drafted (Barnett and Williams) or just JAGs which is reasonable based off where they were drafted  

1 minute ago, RLC said:

They just hit on their most recent DL pick (Jordan Davis).

I do agree with your overall point that DL development has been bad. I was disappointed with the Tracy Rocker hire, because of his poor track record of developing DL. No DL is playing better because of Rocker, and that's a problem. We've gotten DB development (Epps, Josiah Scott, Maddox) through Dennard Wilson. Edwards has gotten better at LB. Who exactly improved at DL?

Jordan Davis has played all of 7 games.  Let's see how he does before we say it's a hit.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Jordan Davis has played all of 7 games.  Let's see how he does before we say it's a hit.

What about Davis' play so far would have you concerned? He's single-handily made our run defense + was getting better as a pass-rusher.

Not surprised after a performance like last night 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

What about Davis' play so far would have you concerned? He's single-handily made our run defense + was getting better as a pass-rusher.

I have no issue with his play.  If he's a player that maxes out at 40% of the snaps played and mainly effects the run game then I do take issue with the draft capital it took to draft him.  

A lot to be determined with him yet.  

From a game plan alone perspective, Jordan Davis needs to be accounted for in the scheme for the week.  You can't say the same for Cox, Tui or Williams can you?

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Not surprised after a performance like last night 

Yep. Needed a scapegoat. 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Almost but his longest return of 8 was wiped out by roughing the kicker 

And his kick returns were even worse.  If I'm playing the Eagles, I'm kicking the ball to the 1 yard line every time because he can't even hit the 20.  Rather have him return it than the automatic touchback.