I'm skeptical of Hurts QB skills but are people really that much against him that they view the Eagles making the SB with him as some negative scenario?

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I'm skeptical of Hurts QB skills but are people really that much against him that they view the Eagles making the SB with him as some negative scenario?

I wouldn’t go that far but there’s definitely ppl in here the last several months who his failure would bring joy to. 

24 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Seeing a lot of "experts” picking the Eagles to make the Super Bowl. If the Eagles do in fact make it there, which I can’t see happening, does Hurts get his extension no matter his play?

No, not if it’s like Jimmy G. 

28 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Seeing a lot of "experts” picking the Eagles to make the Super Bowl. If the Eagles do in fact make it there, which I can’t see happening, does Hurts get his extension no matter his play?

I can’t imagine he plays well enough to be warranted $30-$40/mil per year. No way 

5 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I wouldn’t go that far but there’s definitely ppl in here the last several months who his failure would bring joy to. 

I don't think people appreciate how difficult it will be to get a franchise QB if Hurts doesn't work out. Like I said I'm skeptical but hoping like heck he succeeds 

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I can’t imagine he plays well enough to be warranted $30-$40/mil per year. No way 

I think just to throw a number out there he'll need to pass for 4000 yards to enter that conversation.

27 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Seeing a lot of "experts” picking the Eagles to make the Super Bowl. If the Eagles do in fact make it there, which I can’t see happening, does Hurts get his extension no matter his play?

 

22 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Probably, then we become the Philadelphia 49ers 

My personal opinion is that no matter how successful the team is this year that Howie will not be extending Hurts' contract.  QB contracts in the NFL these days are simply too expensive and take up too much cap space.  If you have one of the top 5 QBs then the money is probably worth it, but even then I'm not sure.  The Patriots with Brady paid him (on the cap) way below the QB market pay and funneled piles of money to him off the cap.  After Brady, how have the top 5 QBs done?  

I expect Howie to draft the team's next QB ... being paid on the rookie pay scale and with a 5-year contract ... in the 2023 Draft, and then let Hurts go elsewhere in Free Agency in 2024.

JMO

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

I don't think people appreciate how difficult it will be to get a franchise QB if Hurts doesn't work out. Like I said I'm skeptical but hoping like heck he succeeds 

I personally don’t think he’s much better, if at all better, than Minshew. Not sure there’s more wins with Hurts than Minshew in 17 games. I hope, however, that I’m wrong and he’s the guy. 

Like you said, finding a franchise QB isn’t exactly easy. Two years ago at this time I thought we had one. Things change fast. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Howie has a lot to figure out over the next 12 months. The roster looks good for 2022, but that’s largely because it’s stocked with quality players on one-year deals essentially — Bradberry, CGJ, White and other key FAs to be like Epps, Hargrave, Cox, Sanders (if he even counts), Kelce (likely to retire obviously) and Edwards.  

And we still don’t have our long-term answer at QB. Howie and s going to have to kill it like he has over the past 12 months.

Drafting a QB in RD1 solves many of these issues 

37 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Seeing a lot of "experts” picking the Eagles to make the Super Bowl. If the Eagles do in fact make it there, which I can’t see happening, does Hurts get his extension no matter his play?

Did Trent Dilfer get one no matter his play when the Ravens won it all in 2000?

7 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I don't think people appreciate how difficult it will be to get a franchise QB if Hurts doesn't work out. Like I said I'm skeptical but hoping like heck he succeeds 

I think it will be more difficult for a QB like Hurts to work out than it will be to get a franchise qb from scratch…both options, however, are bad odds.

That’s why I’m anti Hurts.

31 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

 

Looks about right.

 

And then there's always this guy...

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I personally don’t think he’s much better, if at all better, than Minshew. Not sure there’s more wins with Hurts than Minshew in 17 games. I hope, however, that I’m wrong and he’s the guy. 

Like you said, finding a franchise QB isn’t exactly easy. Two years ago at this time I thought we had one. Things change fast. 

Yeah I agree. We'll see. First year he's had the same system, 2nd year starting, AJ Brown - if he's going to show improvement this will be the time.

28 minutes ago, mattwill said:

As a preface to my comment below, I'd like to thank everyone who has commented on the Serena topic this morning and last night for keeping the discussion civil and constructive.  Reasonable people can agree to disagree reasonably, and this discussion is evidence that despite differences of opinion, ome very strongly held, we can do that here in the Blog. 

With that said ...

What happened to your competive edge when you had a baby?

 

... or parented a now 5 year old child for the first 5 years of that child's life?

 

What alternative approach to her tennis would you have used if you were her?

So... what you are saying is... its different for a woman than it is for a man?

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think it will be more difficult for a QB like Hurts to work out than it will be to get a franchise qb from scratch…both options, however, are bad odds.

That’s why I’m anti Hurts.

anti is such a harsh word.  I don't consider myself anti but I don't believe he'll become a top 12 QB in the league though I hope so.  

11 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I don't think people appreciate how difficult it will be to get a franchise QB if Hurts doesn't work out. Like I said I'm skeptical but hoping like heck he succeeds 

I think the question is whether or not it would be a good outcome to give Hurts a massive deal like we've seen in recent months.  The question is really about what Hurts would need to do as a QB in order to warrant such a contract.

 

 

And I'll say that most of the QBs get these monster deals now haven't done enough to warrant their contracts either.   Kyler Murray is grossly overpaid.  Russell Wilson's deal is a little more in line with value, but still over values him.  Seems the QB position in general is just getting ridiculously out of hand.

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Drafting a QB in RD1 solves many of these issues 

Drafting the right QB in RD 1... I don't want Mitch Trubisky 2.0, Blake Bortles 2.0 or Jamarcus Russell 2.0.  

7 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think just to throw a number out there he'll need to pass for 4000 yards to enter that conversation.

Unfortunately, I think 4000 comes down to a scheme issue. A run-focused offense with a bend-but-don't break defensive scheme creates offense limitations. We still do not really know what the Eagles offensive or defensive identity is, although there are some hints. I just don't see 4000 yards with Hurts both from talent and scheme-wise.

OK...off to my annual trek to SF for the Phillies game. Got good seats with 1st row down behind the Phillies dugout, I hope the bats show up today.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

anti is such a harsh word.  I don't consider myself anti but I don't believe he'll become a top 12 QB in the league though I hope so.  

It’s harsh and I own it.  Do I want Hurts to be an MVP, franchise qb who wins one or more SBs for this franchise?  Absolutely.

But if I believe beyond all doubt that that can’t happen with him under center, then I want the franchise to be forced to see the light and move on as soon as possible.

Almost every team in the nfl either has a top 10 qb, has a qb they believe can become a top 10 qb, or is looking for the next top 10 qb.

At time, it feels like the Eagles with Hurts might be the only team in the nfl that doesn’t fit into one of those categories.

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Drafting a QB in RD1 solves many of these issues 

Theoretically. 

Would Lurie clear house if the Birds miss the playoffs? 
 

Hurts would definitely be gone if he was the starter for most of the year. Sirianni might get the can for having all this talent and a fairly weak division. Would Lurie let Howie hire his 4th head coach?

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

My girl Chris Everett would crush them all

 

Just now, wussbasket said:

Would Lurie clear house if the Birds miss the playoffs? 
 

Hurts would definitely be gone if he was the starter for most of the year. Sirianni might get the can for having all this talent and a fairly weak division. Would Lurie let Howie hire his 4th head coach?

It would be very, very hard for the Eagles to miss the playoffs.  Hurts will be better than last year, albeit still Hurts.  The rest of the team is significantly more talented with fewer holes.  The schedule is the same joke as last year and playoff entry remains very diluted.

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So... what you are saying is... its different for a woman than it is for a man?

Yes and no.  Men have reasons that they lose their competitive edge.  They blow out their ACL. They tear their Achilles.  They point a revolver at girls on the highway.  They roll their SUV.  However, none of those "distractions" from their competitiveness in their sport is as "organic" as a pregnancy followed by the addition of another life into the athlete's life.  Men can't experience that, so yes women and men have different distractions from their competitive edge, but both do have distractions, as is evidenced by Deshaun Watson.  

5 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Would Lurie clear house if the Birds miss the playoffs? 
 

Hurts would definitely be gone if he was the starter for most of the year. Sirianni might get the can for having all this talent and a fairly weak division. Would Lurie let Howie hire his 4th head coach?

I think the talent on defense is more of a maybe than most fans are admitting.  The best proven players are old.  The others have not yet played at a pro bowl type level and most not even close