Miles Sanders contract year

[Bwestbrook36]

15 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

In the past it always looked like he would hit the hole or he would not wait for blockers and try and bounce stuff to the outside. It always used to seem like the first guy had no problem getting him down. Now it seems like he’s more patient with letting blocks develop, but he also seems like a more physical runner than he was in the past. He’s breaking tackles, getting touchdowns, not running out of bounds, and most importantly not fumbling. He’s even made more catches this season. I don’t know if it’s all cause he wants a contract, but if he keeps doing this he deserves one. 

We all knew the potential was there but, the nagging injuries and dealing with the offensive line always changing and some of the stupidity on his own part it plus last year was hardly used in the first half of the season. I'm hoping it's a finally everything is coming together for him and not just a contract thing. 

[EazyEaglez]

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

We all knew the potential was there but, the nagging injuries and dealing with the offensive line always changing and some of the stupidity on his own part it plus last year was hardly used in the first half of the season. I'm hoping it's a finally everything is coming together for him and not just a contract thing. 

This proves that he can do it provided he stays healthy and that’s also been an issue in the past. Weird a guy always seemed to get an injury considering how hard he used to work to avoid contact. 

[MidMoFo]

Four games in, I thinks Sanders has looked good. He hasn’t broken any long runs of 40+ yet, but has 3 for 20+ yards, 18 first downs and 3 TDs. He’s averaging 4.9 ypc on 72 carries. I like the workload he’s getting, Gainwell seems to scavenge some of the red zone work, but not all. 
 

If Sanders can continue this all season… a 3-year deal for $20-25 million would seem about right.

I want to see a few more carries from Trey Sermon as well.

[EagleVA]

12 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

Running back's are no longer an important position in the NFL,

You're either crazy or don't know jack-sheet about football.

RB's have been and always will be critical to the success of a football team.

[MidMoFo]

2 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

You're either crazy or don't know jack-sheet about football.

RB's have been and always will be critical to the success of a football team.

I think the business side of the nfl has changed how teams fill the rb room. Instead of paying one stud $15 million a year, teams are getting 3 complimentary Rbs for the same price. Less affect on the team when one of them gets hurt.

[EagleVA]

1 hour ago, MidMoFo said:

I think the business side of the nfl has changed how teams fill the rb room. Instead of paying one stud $15 million a year, teams are getting 3 complimentary Rbs for the same price. 

I don't have a problem with that, truth be told, some teams could also do that with the QB position as far as I'm concerned, look at the Cowboys, the Pats, the Dolphins, the 49ers, the Seahawks, the Saints last year.  Personally I think the reason the Ravens haven't backed up the Brinks truck for Jackson is because they think their back-up is every bit as good.

The problem the Eagles have with their 3 RBs is they don't compliment one another, personally I'd be drafting 2 RBs in the upcoming draft, 2nd round Zach Charbonnet and 3rd round Chris Rodriguez, that would be a SB roster provided the two #1s are on the defensive side of the ball.

[dawkins4prez]

On 9/6/2022 at 9:14 AM, EagleJoe8 said:

I like Miles, but I have no desire to see any RB get the "second contract”. Obviously I’m talking about the big second contract. If a RB tests free agency, has no market and comes back on a team friendly one year deal, fine, but if Miles wants the big pay day, good luck elsewhere. 

IMHO, you spend a 2nd -3rd rdr on the position every 4-5 years and pair it with cheap vets and/or later rd picks.

[Jeep_man]

10 hours ago, EagleVA said:

You're either crazy or don't know jack-sheet about football.

RB's have been and always will be critical to the success of a football team.

Ok...

 

You don't get it..

[brkmsn]

It's a pretty interesting discussion. We extended Duce, Westbrook, and McCoy. All 3 continued to be productive after their extensions. We eventually traded McCoy and then broke the bank replacing him with Murray and Mathews. The way I look at it, you need to be cautious with over-used, physical work-horse type backs. They tend to wear down quicker than the smaller, more explosive runners that typically get less touches. 

Murray was useless when he arrived and even shied away from contact.

Elliot was used the same way and doesn't concern defenses anymore. Howard isn't very old (27) and is unemployed. Ajayi's body quit on him during his rookie contract.

 

Now when discussing Sanders, I look at him a bit different. He doesn't rely on power and is still one of the most explosive HBs in the NFL and is currently very productive within our offense. I would not be opposed to extending him for 3 years at market value. But we also drafted Gainwell to be the next guy up if Sanders moves on and Gainwell has also been productive in his limited touches. Either way, I think we'll be fine. I just don't think in today's NFL, that I would sign a power back to anything other than a 1-year deal after his rookie contract.

If Sanders had return specialist value or was much more involved as a receiver, extending him would be a no-brainer. 

[EagleVA]

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

The way I look at it, you need to be cautious with over-used, physical work-horse type backs.

No doubt.

[EagleVA]

Here's one thing I'd like to give Sirianni credit for, Sanders has been wrapping that ball up like it's a new born baby, I'm glad it's been emphasized because he had a tendency to carry it like it was a loaf of bread.

[NOTW]

RB is the easiest position to replace in the NFL. The Eagles spread carries around anyway, no need to overpay a guy finally playing better in his contract year who is going to want too much money. Let some other team overpay him, maybe even get a comp pick.

[EagleVA]

11 hours ago, NOTW said:

RB is the easiest position to replace in the NFL. 

No position is any easier to replace than other position, you either cut or don't resign and bring in somebody else......right?

Now if you're saying that all RBs produce at the same level or running the ball isn't important then you're wrong.....right?

You can take the position that any player at any position is asking for too much money so  let someone else overypay him......right?

So what exactly are you saying??

 

[MidMoFo]

19 hours ago, NOTW said:

RB is the easiest position to replace in the NFL. The Eagles spread carries around anyway, no need to overpay a guy finally playing better in his contract year who is going to want too much money. Let some other team overpay him, maybe even get a comp pick.

I think there are only a few really special RBs right now. McCaffery, Henry, Chubb and Barkley, those 4 are superior talents and can make your offense look better than it really is. Maybe add Kamara in there… they can run inside or outside and routinely get more yardage than the blocking gives them, they make defenders miss tackles or get around them untouched.

After that there’s 15-20 that can be productive all 3 downs, inside, outside and passing game. They can have some electric plays here and there, but not like the first group. I would put Sanders in this group, he’s a top 20 rb in the league and naturally he owes a lot of his success to a great O-line.

After that there’s a lot of Rbs that have one thing they are really good at, but a liability at anything else which makes the offense predictable at what they’re going to do.

I don’t know if Gainwell can be in that middle tier, because we haven’t seen enough of him, but I don’t want to be stuck with 3 or 4 guys in a committee who only have one thing they’re really good at and make our offense predictable.

[Procus]

On 9/5/2022 at 12:25 PM, brkmsn said:

I think the Eagles are just being over-cautious. Shutting him down for the remainder of TC allowed them to keep him fresh and get Scott and Gainwell more work. Once the games start, nobody will care about "soreness."

They used to do the same thing with BWest every year.  Kept him in bubble wrap until the regular season started.

4 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

I think there are only a few really special RBs right now. McCaffery, Henry, Chubb and Barkley, those 4 are superior talents and can make your offense look better than it really is. Maybe add Kamara in there… they can run inside or outside and routinely get more yardage than the blocking gives them, they make defenders miss tackles or get around them untouched.

After that there’s 15-20 that can be productive all 3 downs, inside, outside and passing game. They can have some electric plays here and there, but not like the first group. I would put Sanders in this group, he’s a top 20 rb in the league and naturally he owes a lot of his success to a great O-line.

After that there’s a lot of Rbs that have one thing they are really good at, but a liability at anything else which makes the offense predictable at what they’re going to do.

I don’t know if Gainwell can be in that middle tier, because we haven’t seen enough of him, but I don’t want to be stuck with 3 or 4 guys in a committee who only have one thing they’re really good at and make our offense predictable.

I'll take a solid OL over a special RB every time. 

[Utebird]

56 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

I think there are only a few really special RBs right now. McCaffery, Henry, Chubb and Barkley, those 4 are superior talents and can make your offense look better than it really is. Maybe add Kamara in there… they can run inside or outside and routinely get more yardage than the blocking gives them, they make defenders miss tackles or get around them untouched.

After that there’s 15-20 that can be productive all 3 downs, inside, outside and passing game. They can have some electric plays here and there, but not like the first group. I would put Sanders in this group, he’s a top 20 rb in the league and naturally he owes a lot of his success to a great O-line.

After that there’s a lot of Rbs that have one thing they are really good at, but a liability at anything else which makes the offense predictable at what they’re going to do.

I don’t know if Gainwell can be in that middle tier, because we haven’t seen enough of him, but I don’t want to be stuck with 3 or 4 guys in a committee who only have one thing they’re really good at and make our offense predictable.

Yup 

Currently there are 2 guys with 600 yards or more, Chubb and Barkley 

Then 9 guys with 400+ with Jacobs being the 3rd rusher at 490 then 14 guys with atleast 300 yards.

Sanders is one of the 9 with 400+

I think of all those guys Jacobs and Barkley are the only first rounders with Barkley as the only high first rounder.

I could be missing a couple but point being productive RBs can be found all throughout the draft after the 1st round.

No reason to trade picks for one unless it's a Barkley or Chubb and no reason to really ever spend a 1st in a RB, the value rarely meets the cost.

Even Barkley looked like a bust until this year due to injury.

[Godfather]

Idk why... but I think he'll get his extension

[Vlad67]

I think we need money on more important positions on defense...so I would let him walk if he asks too much and look around FA or draft one in later rounds...by too much I mean more like 7Mil/year...I think if he asks for top RB money which is lets say about 14-16Mil/year, those money should be better invested in O-line which he greatly benefits from...I don't think he would replicate his numbers in other teams

[Nivraga]

On 10/20/2022 at 11:36 PM, NOTW said:

RB is the easiest position to replace in the NFL. The Eagles spread carries around anyway, no need to overpay a guy finally playing better in his contract year who is going to want too much money. Let some other team overpay him, maybe even get a comp pick.

I think this is key here. No one knows what he is going to ask for yet or what he will be willing to sign for. I know it seems like, and is probably mostly true, that agents ask for the sky (and they should, it's their job) but they are obligated to bring the team offer to the player. I like Miles Sanders - wish he was Barry but he's not - AS ALWAYS with a good player - you set your budget and you resign him if the price is right and let him test free agency / possibly walk if he is insisting on more than what your budget allows.

 

Chip Kelly biotched about Shady not being a between the tackles power runner and then ran Murray on sweeps. Murray was pretty much spent but he may have had a couple more good years if used properly. I think Chip was more interested in making Roseman look like a dolt than he was in building a winning roster.

Good running backs are hard to find. Good cheap running backs don't stay cheap. I think it's been proven that you don't need the workhorse rushing champ to win - the Eagles had that and didn't and then won with a RB committee. But this idea that you can just draft a guy in the 3rd - 5th round and plug him in is silly. The Eagles did well with Gainwell. I wouldn't call it luck - at least not all luck. But every team has a list of running backs that never made an impact on their roster.

[MidMoFo]

18 hours ago, Utebird said:

Yup 

Currently there are 2 guys with 600 yards or more, Chubb and Barkley 

Then 9 guys with 400+ with Jacobs being the 3rd rusher at 490 then 14 guys with atleast 300 yards.

Sanders is one of the 9 with 400+

I think of all those guys Jacobs and Barkley are the only first rounders with Barkley as the only high first rounder.

I could be missing a couple but point being productive RBs can be found all throughout the draft after the 1st round.

No reason to trade picks for one unless it's a Barkley or Chubb and no reason to really ever spend a 1st in a RB, the value rarely meets the cost.

Even Barkley looked like a bust until this year due to injury.

Other 1st round RBs: McCaffery, Fournette, Edwards-Helaire, Najee Harris, Penny, Ettiene.

But your point stands, as all of them have had struggles with injuries here and there.

[EagleVA]

On 9/6/2022 at 2:11 PM, Dwide Schrude said:

Not familiar with him, I’ll have to look into him

He's Emmit's son.

[LacesOut]

He’s 3rd in the NFL with 105 carries this season.

I wonder if they lighten his work load a bit during the next handful of games? Or, keep the momentum going by not changing anything, plussing as how it’s working so well.

[BornGreen]

I keep reading articles that suggest the Eagles won’t be signing Sanders next year,  that they won’t be able to afford it with a new Hurts contract.  I personally think he needs to stay here.  We’ve finally found a useful and productive game plan with him. Will he be given the freedom  to test free agency?  I don’t like that!  What’s everyone’s thoughts here?  

[EagleJoe8]

I like Miles, but I long ago hopped on the train of thought that RBs shouldn't get the large 2nd contracts. I'm good with signing a back to a modest deal and drafting someone in the mid rounds. It's just not dollar wise in today's NFL IMO. If Miles were willing to give us the "hometown discount", then maybe, but if he's seeking to be one of the highest paid RBs, then it's best to move on.

[Portyansky]

Only way he stays is if he accepts whatever Howie is willing to pay. If he wants a max bag, he's not getting it here.