July 22, 20242 yr On 7/20/2024 at 6:37 AM, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Since that Rockies series in May they are only 25-21. Since the Mets London series they are 18-16. They have had injuries but really they have been a mediocre team for over a month but with some flashes here and there. Mediocre or average? Mediocre means below average to me.
July 22, 20242 yr 15 minutes ago, mattwill said: Mediocre or average? Mediocre means below average to me. I consider mediocre to be average. I can’t say they are below average cause they managed to not play below .500. But really since the London series they are 19-17. Injuries contributed but they also have had some games and series like Saturday where even if they were healthy they just looked bad.
July 22, 20242 yr 5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: I consider mediocre to be average. I can’t say they are below average cause they managed to not play below .500. But really since the London series they are 19-17. Injuries contributed but they also have had some games and series like Saturday where even if they were healthy they just looked bad. Fair enough. In your assessment system, what is the step above/better than mediocre?
July 22, 20242 yr A 19-17 record is a 0.528 winning percentage. Outside of the Phillies, 9 out of 29 teams have a winning percentage greater than or equal to that value for the entire season. With the actual for the whole season Phillies taken out of the mix, this winning percentage would be enough to be the first wildcard. So, while we're not happy with their performance, it is still above average- just not what we got used to earlier in the season. Hopefully now that all of the major pieces are returning or have returned from the DL they'll make a couple of decent moves before the deadline- at least one OF who can hit left handed pitching, maybe even an every day OF, and a back end of the bullpen piece and get the roster squared away for the playoffs.
July 22, 20242 yr I'm going to point out that two months ago, when the Phillies were red hot, I heard idiots at bars and in casual conversations say that the Phillies were winning TOO MUCH, and that they wished they would've lost a couple more games to worse teams. Why, I don't know; to build character or know how to overcome losing or something? Now they are losing to worse teams a little more often. Are these people happy? I said all along to these people to enjoy those two hot months, because it builds a lead that makes it harder for other teams to overcome if the Phillies slump. And the Phillies would come back down to earth at some point anyway, which is the case now. But they have a comfortable lead in the division and even a fairly comfortable lead on the National League, so they can afford unfortunate series losses like they had this weekend.
July 22, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, mattwill said: Fair enough. In your assessment system, what is the step above/better than mediocre? Above average. After that I’d say good. Then after good great. They were playing great for the first month and half. Hard to consistently maintain that all year. I do think they had a shot to be above average even with the injuries during the stretch where they left to play the Rockies (may 24). they had series with Rockies, A’s, marlins, tigers and giants during that stretch of games. However they managed to go 7-9 in those games. against the better teams over that stretch they managed to go 19-13. The issue is like yesterdays game they had multiple games where they just looked like they were going through the motion or not same intensity they had vs. the dodgers (first As game, first marlins game). And the reason that bothers me is because I thought in the NLCS after game two they lost their focus in game 3. i feel that way cause Stubbs was discussing partying in the pool when they won the series and it looked like they thought the dbacks would roll over and die (i actually thought game 4 against the Astros they had lost some focus— Astros had great pitching to get a no hitter but they lost focus on their approaches at the plate they had previous games) To me it was pretty important to see how they responded to the Dodgers series the next series. Because you’re gonna get into a playoff where you have a big emotional win or win a big series like games 2 and 5.
July 22, 20242 yr 29 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Above average. After that I’d say good. Then after good great. They were playing great for the first month and half. Hard to consistently maintain that all year. I do think they had a shot to be above average even with the injuries during the stretch where they left to play the Rockies (may 24). they had series with Rockies, A’s, marlins, tigers and giants during that stretch of games. However they managed to go 7-9 in those games. against the better teams over that stretch they managed to go 19-13. The issue is like yesterdays game they had multiple games where they just looked like they were going through the motion or not same intensity they had vs. the dodgers (first As game, first marlins game). And the reason that bothers me is because I thought in the NLCS after game two they lost their focus in game 3. i feel that way cause Stubbs was discussing partying in the pool when they won the series and it looked like they thought the dbacks would roll over and die (i actually thought game 4 against the Astros they had lost some focus— Astros had great pitching to get a no hitter but they lost focus on their approaches at the plate they had previous games) To me it was pretty important to see how they responded to the Dodgers series the next series. Because you’re gonna get into a playoff where you have a big emotional win or win a big series like games 2 and 5. Abominable (worse than E or F) Failure (E or F) Unacceptable (D-) Poor (D and D+) Fair/Mediocre/Below Average (C-) Average (C) Above Average (C+ and Good (B) Great (A-and A) Legendary (A+) A lot will depend on the evaluator’s age. When I was in school, a score of 75 was average. Average is well over 80 now.
July 22, 20242 yr 1-2 so far in this tough 22 game stretch after the much needed W yesterday btw - A team having a year like the Phillies is always going to have an extended stretch where they settle down and play around .500 ball. The exceptions are those very rare few that go on to get say 106+ wins. They are still on a pace to win 103 games and are still 3 games better than any other MLB team. Let's see where they are after this 22 game stretch and then start the drive toward October. For now, they are fine.
July 22, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Stubbs with a 45 is damn impressive At this point, a lock down reliever may be a bigger priority than outfielder.
July 22, 20242 yr 17 minutes ago, Blazehound said: At this point, a lock down reliever may be a bigger priority than outfielder. I think they are 1A and 1B. Cause I don’t think you’re gonna make it through the playoffs having marsh not be able to hit left-handers, Rojas who is not a great hitter who really struggled in the playoffs last year and has not exactly set the world on fire this year hitting. And then pache is going to be your fourth outfielder or Weston Wilson is gonna be your fourth outfielder? To me that’s not good enough to get you through the playoffs. You’re gonna run into a team and that is going to potentially cost you. They need both.
July 22, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: This is actually my favorite pick they made in the first 5 rounds Any relation to Rick Burkholder?
July 22, 20242 yr 45 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: Any relation to Rick Burkholder? 12TH cousins 10 times removed
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