Painter will have 100 pitches by the 3rd inning

Marsh out by a country mile

Garcia flailing away at nothing but air. Guy should have his vision checked

26 minutes ago, John Blutarski said:

Garcia flailing away at nothing but air. Guy should have his vision checked

Guy will get the Merrifield treatment if not just flat out released as soon as they find another bat

3 minutes ago, RoadToHell said:

Guy will get the Merrifield treatment if not just flat out released as soon as they find another bat

He's god awful. Another terrible move by Dave.

Well, at least Yamamoto won’t go past five

3 hours ago, John Blutarski said:

DD is an embarrassment. Garcia is absolutely trash.

Probably would be talked about more if the rest of the lineup didn’t stink is our backup catchers suck

Getting blown out now. Turning this garbage off. Id rather watch a blank screen than these losers.

They should sell at the deadline - it’s obvious they aren’t where they need to be to contend with the best

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So you are saying he could be worse

3 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

So you are saying he could be worse

I actually wonder who are the 7 that are worse than Garcia

Do we have to pack KLong’s crap for him and show him the ukn door? GTFO

So very predictabel

2 hours ago, RoadToHell said:

Do we have to pack KLong’s crap for him and show him the ukn door? GTFO

At this point it can’t get much worse for the offense. They are bottom of the league in a ton of categories. I doubt firing long fixes the issue but reality is Long has no idea on how to fix the problem even if it could be fixed. So keeping him doesn’t help except Harper and schwarber like him. IMO i actually think some of this stems back to their loss in the nlds to the dodgers (not Garcia; i think he was declining with the rangers last year and now is just done). Their ineptitude to hit in game 4 (much of the series) carried over. Like psychologically besides Harper, schwarber and marsh they can’t hit besides just some guys regressing and in JT’s case old

At some point the pitching is going to hit a rough spot. It always happens in an mlb season. and it’ll likely be the reason they’d miss the playoffs. I’d also venture to say Harper will miss time. He hasn’t stayed healthy for an entire year in a while.

Probably safe to declare this a lost season for Miller at this point.

5 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Probably safe to declare this a lost season for Miller at this point.

Yep. Dude is a bust. Great pick Dave.

Existential question...

Have Crawford or Painter actually done anything to help the Phillies this year? Painter has turned it around lately leading up to his most recent loss, but he's been essentially a replacement level starter when you put it all together (this year, obviously with major upside beyond that). Crawford has been a negative WAR player this year. And their top prospect is on his way to missing the entire season.

There just isn't any help on the way from the farm.

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Existential question...

Have Crawford or Painter actually done anything to help the Phillies this year? Painter has turned it around lately leading up to his most recent loss, but he's been essentially a replacement level starter when you put it all together (this year, obviously with major upside beyond that). Crawford has been a negative WAR player this year. And their top prospect is on his way to missing the entire season.

There just isn't any help on the way from the farm.

they are rookies. Besides guys like Paul skenes and selected few, asking rookies to make up for blunders equating to $100 mil in contracts, an awful hitting RF, a starter who’s bad at $24.7 mil, a SS who’s not been worth his contract and so on. I’d point Cole Hamels was absolutely bad his first 10 starts. Worse than painter. The difference was the Phillies at that point in time were not win at all costs so he could afford to learn and not omg why aren’t you better you are costing us a playoff spot and ws.

If painter and Crawford were in year two, and they were having the same problems, I’d be on your side. Except I expected them as rookies to have ups and downs. were gonna have to make adjustments to the league. Because this is always been a league where you’re gonna have some success and the league adjusts and gets a bigger scouting report.

if we are sitting here next year and they are having the same problems then the discussion has to be held. But the discussion right now shouldn’t be about the rookies and why aren’t they producing like Paul skenes. It should be more about Dombrowski wasting $100 million on players who stink on this roster. Maybe if he didn’t misspend $100 million and spend it better our rookies don’t have to be great to help the team and less pressure on them too and they can develop as rookies.

I’d also point out they pretty clear after what they did with Crawford last year in triple A (clearly ready with a horrific outfield) that miller had no chance to be called up this year. So that pipe dream even if he was healthy wasn’t happening. It may delay his 2027 arrival but as for 2026 they basically showed you last year with a crappy outfield and Crawford killing it in triple A they weren’t bringing him up.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

they are rookies. Besides guys like Paul skenes and selected few, asking rookies to make yo for blinders equating to $100 mil in contracts, an awful hitting RF, a starter who’s bad at $24.7 mil. I’d point Cole Hamels was absolutely bad his first 10 starts. Worse than painter. The difference was the Phillies at that point in time were not win at all costs.

If painter and Crawford were in year two, and they were having the same problems, I’d be on your side. Except I expected them as rookies to have ups and downs. and were gonna have to make adjustments to the league. Because this is always been a league where you’re gonna have some success and the league adjusts and gets a bigger scouting report.

if we are sitting here next year and they are having the same problems then the discussion has to be held. But the discussion right now shouldn’t be about the rookies and why aren’t they producing like Paul skenes. It should be more about Dombrowski wasting $100 million on players who stink on this roster. Maybe if he didn’t misspend $100 million and spend it better our rookies don’t have to be great to help the team.

I both agree and disagree.

They are rookies, sure. But also...the Phillies are squeezed so tightly against their self-imposed iron spending ceiling (which, to be fair, is pretty high) with zero relief in sight that rookies and young prospects are the only additions that they can possibly make to this lineup and rotation. In the offseason, DD (and the now departed Topper) were asked about additions to the club. Crawford and Painter were mentioned. And of course Garcia. We can defend Painter and Crawford as prospects because they are rookies. But the rotation, lineup, standings, and playoffs don't care that they are rookies. The fact remains that the offseason lineup changes have been useless at best.

Just now, eagle45 said:

I both agree and disagree.

They are rookies, sure. But also...the Phillies are squeezed so tightly against their self-imposed iron spending ceiling (which, to be fair, is pretty high) with zero relief in sight that rookies and young prospects are the only additions that they can possibly make to this lineup and rotation. In the offseason, DD (and the now departed Topper) were asked about additions to the club. Crawford and Painter were mentioned. And of course Garcia. We can defend Painter and Crawford as prospects because they are rookies. But the rotation, lineup, standings, and playoffs don't care that they are rookies. The fact remains that the offseason lineup changes have been useless at best.

Go look at the last 10 years of World Series champions. Tell me how many rookies were on those teams making major impacts (Yamamoto is one and he was playing pro ball already… the other was Pena for the Astros. I’d say hunter brown but he barely pitched for the Astros that postseason and regular season). it is not many. Really one of the biggest was a professional over in Asia that got a massive contract to come here.

The standings and players don’t care that their rookies. however the playoffs have shown you you’re not likely gonna win a World Series depending on multiple rookies playing pivotal roles in winning a WS.

The realistic view here should’ve been Dave should’ve taken a step back looked at the entire picture of the organization after 2025. realized this core was never winning a title instead of spending More money on a core that was finished. Realistically the Phillies should’ve thought about rebuild after 2025. allowed the young prospects to be called up and play. Make their mistakes,go through the ups and downs and make adjustments. Asking them to be pivotal roles in a World Series title contenders when most World Series title contenders had nearly no rookies as major contributors to their title seems like a bad plan based off what recent history suggests.

History over the last decade has shown asking rookies to be pivotal players or reliant on them being big factors is not conducive to winning titles. Cause most of them aren’t Jeremy Peña or Paul skenes as rookies.

Furthermore, the Phillies have a $300+ million payroll. They shouldn’t have to hope the rookies can make up for the fact that Dave Dombrowski pissed away over $100 million that could’ve helped this team not have to be more reliant on two rookies

Putting things in perspective, painter should be relied on to be the fifth starter for this team. But he has to be more than that because Aaron Nola has been bad. Crawford as a rookie should be a 8-9 hole hitter which if he is would be fine as a rookie. Except you have no cleanup hitter, Garcia is awful, Bohm is bad, realmuto is washed and Turner has been underwhelming. crawford would have to have a mike piazza, Aaron judge (played 27 games year before his "rookie” season and was awful in the playoffs as a rookie) or trout type rookie year to make up for that. Which is very rare and unlikely.

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1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! Bro why can't I send you a pm

Idk. I just sent you a PM so it should allow for it.

Lets go Phils! Please Nola, dont implode.