6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Lol 😂 How is Reid not good enough to win when he won 2 Super Bowls without being saddles with McNabb? Also Doug didn’t win a Super Bowl with Wentz. In fact he never even won a playoff game with Wentz. Bad quarterback play makes good coaches look bad. Reid protected McNabb and puffed that dude up to look way better than he really was. Do you know what would have happened if Reid got McNabb a receiver like TO sooner? An implosion like what happened after they linked up sooner. McNabb’s fragile ego and lack for showing up when it mattered caused way more problems for the Eagles than Reid ever did. The Eagles made two big mistakes. They stayed too long with McNabb and they replaced him with someone worse in Kolb.

I said backup QB, meaning Foles. I brought up Wentz because there were problems of Wentz not being easy to deal with (like TO was), but Doug somehow got everyone on same page. We didn't hear about these problems until after fact unlike TO debacle. Doug was able to control his players, Reid couldn't.

 

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The chiefs likely had inside knowledge of the field conditions and the most optimum cleats to wear.  Its why you only heard about the Eagles changing cleats.  

 

13 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Lol 😂 How is Reid not good enough to win when he won 2 Super Bowls without being saddles with McNabb? Also Doug didn’t win a Super Bowl with Wentz. In fact he never even won a playoff game with Wentz. Bad quarterback play makes good coaches look bad. Reid protected McNabb and puffed that dude up to look way better than he really was. Do you know what would have happened if Reid got McNabb a receiver like TO sooner? An implosion like what happened after they linked up sooner. McNabb’s fragile ego and lack for showing up when it mattered caused way more problems for the Eagles than Reid ever did. The Eagles made two big mistakes. They stayed too long with McNabb and they replaced him with someone worse in Kolb.

Reid fell into a franchise GOAT next Tom Brady talent who could offset his mistakes. Good for him. Further Reid wanted and chose McNabb. Could have been Akili Smith or Culpepper I guess.

Just now, gameshowfan91 said:

I said backup QB, meaning Foles. I brought up Wentz because there were problems of Wentz not being easy to deal with (like TO was), but Doug somehow got everyone on same page. We didn't hear about these problems until after fact unlike TO debacle. Doug was able to control his players, Reid couldn't.

Lol Doug learned how to coach from Reid. 😂 My goodness Doug is off the Reid coaching tree which means he indirectly helped the Eagles win that Super Bowl. What coach "controlled TO?” That guy was a lightning Rod for controversy and issues. The 49ers dumped him for a backup linemen for crying out loud. TO cried like a baby, because he was dumb enough to sign a crappy contract the Union begged him not to. McNabb’s ego was so fragile that he couldn’t deal with all of the spotlight given to TO when he got here. Reid should have tried to control the situation better, but the truth is those two players were their own worst enemies. 

1 minute ago, judunno said:

Reid fell into a franchise GOAT next Tom Brady talent who could offset his mistakes. Good for him. Further Reid wanted and chose McNabb. Could have been Akili Smith or Culpepper I guess.

Reid was right to choose McNabb over all those other humps. He was wrong to stick with him as long as he did though. 

26 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Did you notice that the commentators said the Eagles went through multiple cleats while the Chiefs went through none? Do you remember the pile of replacement cleats they showed of the Eagles? Now why is it the Eagles didn’t realize that field would be bad when they already played their earlier in the season, but the Chiefs knew? Look I’m really not into a bunch of conspiracy theories, but either someone tipped Reid and the Chiefs off on that terrible field or Sirianni and the staff had some gross negligence. The Chiefs offensive players were literally stopping at one spot and going in a different direction while the defense just slid everywhere. 

 The field conditions  directly affected the outcome of the game. It screwed over our D-line and the Chiefs had inside knowledge of the field conditions and knew what to wear. .

 

 

 

3 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Agreed, Gannon gives me Schwartz vibes.  They both coach scared, have a soft scheme that doesn't give up a lot of big plays but get picked apart in the short/intermediate game.  I'm honestly tired of it, ready for a more aggressive defense again. 

Exactly....SO very sick of it....we have really not had a good DC since Jim Johnson passed away....at least, thats the way I see it....

5 minutes ago, Swimm said:

 The field conditions  directly affected the outcome of the game. It screwed over our D-line and the Chiefs had inside knowledge of the field conditions and knew what to wear. .

 

 

 

It seemed pretty clear to me, because even the Eagles kicker was slipping all over and he’s lucky he didn’t get injured. That field was an embarrassment to the league. 

7 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Exactly....SO very sick of it....we have really not had a good DC since Jim Johnson passed away....at least, thats the way I see it....

I’ve wrote multiple times now that I wonder if this coaching style is the Eagles philosophy rather than the coaches regardless. Nevertheless they hire guys with similar styles of coaching so even if they replace Gannon you can expect much of the same. Wasn’t Todd Bowles like an interim DC here once? Once he left he was considered a defensive guru though. How does that happen? How could we not see that unless maybe the Eagles are asking him to do things differently? 

13 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Reid was right to choose McNabb over all those other humps. He was wrong to stick with him as long as he did though. 

he didnt have a choice... #2 pick you live and die on that hill unless there is some major injury and drop off in play

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’ve wrote multiple times now that I wonder if this coaching style is the Eagles philosophy rather than the coaches regardless. Nevertheless they hire guys with similar styles of coaching so even if they replace Gannon you can expect much of the same. Wasn’t Todd Bowles like an interim DC here once? Once he left he was considered a defensive guru though. How does that happen? How could we not see that unless maybe the Eagles are asking him to do things differently? 

When you put it that way, it MUST be the philosophy of the Eagles because I really can't think of any other logical reason these coaches come here and do the exact same thing the previous one did....at this point, its mind boggling...

14 minutes ago, Swimm said:

 The field conditions  directly affected the outcome of the game. It screwed over our D-line and the Chiefs had inside knowledge of the field conditions and knew what to wear. .

 

 

 

The new Inflate Gate/SpyGate.

TurfGate

Just now, judunno said:

he didnt have a choice... #2 pick you live and die on that hill unless there is some major injury and drop off in play

There’s always a choice. Draft a replacement sooner. Groom that replacement sooner. When Rodgers was drafted in 05 (after McNabb’s puke bowl) it was just seven slots ahead of the Eagles. Makes some moves and jump the Packers. Things might have been different. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

There’s always a choice. Draft a replacement sooner. Groom that replacement sooner. When Rodgers was drafted in 05 (after McNabb’s puke bowl) it was just seven slots ahead of the Eagles. Makes some moves and jump the Packers. Things might have been different. 

McNabb was playing at a high level for a pretty long time. They draft Kolb and missed. Happens.

3 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

When you put it that way, it MUST be the philosophy of the Eagles because I really can't think of any other logical reason these coaches come here and do the exact same thing the previous one did....at this point, its mind boggling...

Yeah even Schwartz was considered a great defensive mind until he came to the Eagles. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

Yeah even Schwartz was considered a great defensive mind until he came to the Eagles. 

Was he though?

Just now, judunno said:

McNabb was playing at a high level for a pretty long time. They draft Kolb and missed. Happens.

McNabb was never really great. He didn’t make a lot of turnovers and that was great. Kolb was the wrong choice, but Reid should’ve realized that McNabb was never going to be the guy to get him over the hump.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

Was he though?

He was considered so before he came here. Actually Gannon was considered a great young defensive mind before he came here also. 

8 minutes ago, judunno said:

he didnt have a choice... #2 pick you live and die on that hill unless there is some major injury and drop off in play

Wentz was #2 overall pick and they traded picks to get him. This Eagles team had guts to get rid of Wentz and, so far, looks like it paid off.

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

McNabb was never really great. He didn’t make a lot of turnovers and that was great. Kolb was the wrong choice, but Reid should’ve realized that McNabb was never going to be the guy to get him over the hump.

They eventually did ... drafted Kolb... strike 2. He came close with McNabb in the end. Just some misfortunes in the Super Bowl and running into Brady (Chad going down in Championship game, Pinky getting cramps, TO busting it with screw in his ankle). Now he's on the other side having a GOAT on his team. Good for him.

2 minutes ago, gameshowfan91 said:

Wentz was #2 overall pick and they traded picks to get him. This Eagles team had guts to get rid of Wentz and, so far, looks like it paid off.

You didn't read what I said... Wentz major injury... check.... Wentz tremendous drop off in play... check.

Just now, judunno said:

They eventually did ... drafted Kolb... strike 2. He came close with McNabb in the end. Just some misfortunes in the Super Bowl and running into Brady (Chad going down in Championship game, Pinky getting cramps, TO busting it with screw in his ankle). Now he's on the other side having a GOAT on his team. Good for him.

Can you recall McNabb being so outstanding in any of the playoff games or the Super Bowl? Do you remember any game where you could say they won it truly because of him? 

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

He was considered so before he came here. Actually Gannon was considered a great young defensive mind before he came here also. 

Some coaches haven't evolved with the game. Not sure what you are implying. Some times the game moves past these DCs and they don't adjust. Some move on to have a little success some don't.

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

You didn't read what I said... Wentz major injury... check.... Wentz tremendous drop off in play... check.

The Eagles would not have walked away from Wentz. Wentz chose to walk away from the Eagles. In both cases the Eagles failed to pull the trigger and what’s worse is the replacement for Wentz actually won in the playoffs. With that being the case the Wentz situation just shows why they should’ve been looking to replace McNabb. Brady replaced Bledsoe who was a really good quarterback. The Chargers had Brees and still drafted Rivers. Reid should’ve replaced McNabb much sooner than he did.

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Can you recall McNabb being so outstanding in any of the playoff games or the Super Bowl? Do you remember any game where you could say they won it truly because of him? 

McNabb was good enough to win a chip. They won plenty in the playoffs with him under center. They just failed to win the big one. I've seen lesser QBs win Super Bowls especially in that era. As time went on not many teams were beating Brady and Belicheat period. The Eagles benefited from a weak NFC east during his tenure. They just didn't close the deal. That's not all on McNabb though. I think many didn't like his personality and some how equate that to him being a bad player. Remove the emotion and you see a QB that was good enough.