GDT: Super Bowl LVII, Kansas City Chiefs vs Philadelphia Eagles, 2-12-23, 6:30 PM EST

[Road to Victory]

10 hours ago, Bamabird said:

Please tell me you're not serious? They were running in for a TD and sat down on the 2 yard line so they could eat up clock. The defense did not stop them, they stopped themselves!

Please tell me you’re not serious. We were letting them score a TD. It was the only chance to get the ball back with time left. 

[Swimm]

1 hour ago, Arthur Jackson said:

Everyone played on the same shite grass.

If they were playing on a mound of Jello it would still be fair.

Everyone played on it. But only one team apparently had inside information on the field condition  and prepared for it ahead of time.

[Arthur Jackson]

9 minutes ago, Birdman said:

As far as the cognitive bias thing, it's not just us, the same sentiment is being shared throughout the league. 

 

Indeed. By those who just lost a game.

[Birdman]

1 minute ago, Arthur Jackson said:

Indeed. By those who just lost a game.

Wrong 

 

 

[Arthur Jackson]

1 minute ago, Birdman said:

Wrong 

 

 

Who is that?

He looks like the dude who sells crystal meth in the Dollar General bathroom 

[Carptom1]

16 minutes ago, Swimm said:

Everyone played on it. But only one team apparently had inside information on the field condition  and prepared for it ahead of time.

Here we go with the conspiracy crap. What happened to beating us by 40? We’re now down to somehow Toma made a crap field than told us what cleats to wear? I saw plenty of Chiefs slipping also. You guys lost because you got arrogant and thought you were above being beat. The players and coaches start believing too, because everyone in the city makes them believe it. We know from experience as that is what we did in the AFCCG last year with the Bengals. 

[Talonblood]

1 hour ago, Devaster said:

Football don't work like that. You can't assume the game would have gone exactly how it played out assuming Hurts didn't fumble. Dumbest argument I've seen.

You can't do simple math. The Eagles scored 35 points. The Chiefs scored 31. That's a win. Hurts gave them the other 7. Football works EXACTLY like that. Go get you some edumication.

[Thing3]

55 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Thank you for pointing out the obvious....I have NO idea why some of these people are even fans....to say that the fumble is what ultimately cost us the game without factoring in anything else plus the follow up with 10 unanswered points is the most ridiculous and asinine thing I have seen today....

I would never say that the fumble alone cost us the game. I will say though it was a major wound in a game that was lost by a thousand cuts. The D clearly couldn't get the job done but I think there's a lot that could be debated about those failures. I don't think anyone should be letting Gannon off the hook and I certainly don't think it's fair to throw Hurts under the bus for the fumble. There's plenty of blame to go around. In the end I really think we need to face the fact that the Chiefs won because they edged us out in just about every facet of the game.

[opa-opa]

Fumble or no fumble the Chiefs would have scored another TD anyway if we gave them the ball back. 

[opa-opa]

Also im dunno why people are more upset about the Bradberry call than the Devonta call. I still didnt see any footage that should have overturned that. It was a catch. 

[Rey]

The fumble tied the game at 14 ... but after that we scored 10 before the half. We went into the 3rd quarter "up" by 10 and still with an excellent shot to win the game ... so yeah, the fumble sucked, but it was not the main reason we lost that game. I can see if the fumble were the last score before the half and it tied the game there ... but we responded and took the lead by double digits "after" it happened. The loss happened because the Chiefs made excellent adjustments at the half and our Defense couldn't stop them once after the break. Jalen, the pass blocking and the receivers all played well enough to win by racking up 35 points ... the most by any losing team ever in Super Bowl history. The lack of RB production, Defense, Punt Coverage team and Defensive coaching lost us the game.

[Rey]

19 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

Fumble or no fumble the Chiefs would have scored another TD anyway if we gave them the ball back. 

Yep. Let's say Jalen just falls on it and we eventually just kick it away. Who's to say Mahomes just doesn't march them down on another long TD drive after the punt? (Safe assumption in hindsight). Does Jalen even have the chance to march them down on that epic TD Drive Response if that fumble just resulted in a Punt instead? Again, we went into the half with a 10 point lead "after" that fumble TD which is a bigger lead than we had when the fumble TD happened. That play did not lose this game.

[Devaster]

20 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

Also im dunno why people are more upset about the Bradberry call than the Devonta call. I still didnt see any footage that should have overturned that. It was a catch. 

I was upset about that. I don't really understand how they were able to overturn that. I was almost certain they were going to do the same with Goedert's catch.

[Rey]

1 minute ago, Devaster said:

I was upset about that. I don't really understand how they were able to overturn that. I was almost certain they were going to do the same with Goedert's catch.

With the Devonta play the ball hit the ground, however there was zero loss of control as he had full control of the ball from start to finish; should not have been overturned. The Goedert play ironically was very similar ... just replace ground with helmet; control was never lost, thus both should have been catches.

[[TSM]_PimpDaddyPain]

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Lol 😂 How is Reid not good enough to win when he won 2 Super Bowls without being saddles with McNabb? Also Doug didn’t win a Super Bowl with Wentz. In fact he never even won a playoff game with Wentz. Bad quarterback play makes good coaches look bad. Reid protected McNabb and puffed that dude up to look way better than he really was. Do you know what would have happened if Reid got McNabb a receiver like TO sooner? An implosion like what happened after they linked up sooner. McNabb’s fragile ego and lack for showing up when it mattered caused way more problems for the Eagles than Reid ever did. The Eagles made two big mistakes. They stayed too long with McNabb and they replaced him with someone worse in Kolb.

I agree mostly with your take on McNabb.  He did have a fragile ego and he just had an aloof personality that didn't work well with Philly fans and media....i.e., throwing INTs and smiling and saying "my bad" like a clown.  Being out of shape some seasons and choking in big games. 

However, I do feel like Reid hung him out to dry by not committing to running the ball and not getting him any weapons at WR til his 6th season. 

[DBW]

33 minutes ago, Devaster said:

I was upset about that. I don't really understand how they were able to overturn that. I was almost certain they were going to do the same with Goedert's catch.

Let’s also not forget if the refs didn’t have some mystery "procedural issue” the chiefs don’t get to challenge it.  Pure BS.  We snapped the ball and ran a play and they made up a rule to negate it.  
 

the nfl also needs to change the rule of a catch in the sidelines.  If you only need to get a thread of the ball over the goal line and you can lose control after that by the ball hitting the ground or the cone, then you shouldn’t have to maintain complete control when you go OOB.  It should be catch, two feet or a knee, complete, if you fall out of bounds or get tackled and the ball comes out so be it.  The rules shouldn’t be different because it’s a sideline 

[EagleTen]

2 minutes ago, DBW said:

Let’s also not forget if the refs didn’t have some mystery "procedural issue” the chiefs don’t get to challenge it.  Pure BS.  We snapped the ball and ran a play and they made up a rule to negate it.  

I still don’t understand what the refs did there to delay us snapping a play and giving the Chiefs time to challenge the catch…all very strange…and they took an absolute age reviewing it!

And even the commentators said (something like) "they must have finally found the angle they were looking for”…complete nonsense! there was no "angle”…nothing "clear and obvious” to overturn a decision made on the field…they just decided to overturn it, probably to try and keep it a close game! BS call!

[DBW]

2 minutes ago, EagleTen said:

I still don’t understand what the refs did there to delay us snapping a play and giving the Chiefs time to challenge the catch…all very strange…and they took an absolute age reviewing it!

And even the commentators said (something like) "they must have finally found the angle they were looking for”…complete nonsense! there was no "angle”…nothing "clear and obvious” to overturn a decision made on the field…they just decided to overturn it, probably to try and keep it a close game! BS call!

It took a while because Vegas is short staffed like the rest of the world.  Had to put the nfl on a brief hold. 

[LacesOut]

It felt like the ST’s were not too good, all year. Returns, coverages, punting, etc..
 

Except for the K, Jake. 

[Carptom1]

37 minutes ago, DBW said:

It took a while because Vegas is short staffed like the rest of the world.  Had to put the nfl on a brief hold. 

Do you understand sports betting? The line stayed fairly even after the first couple days which means the money coming in was fairly even. The casino doesn’t ever risk much of their money. They make it off the crazy prop bets and parlays us casual bettors make. The money they make off of the game lines are the losers premium or the vig. They really don’t care who wins. 

[Devaster]

1 hour ago, Rey said:

With the Devonta play the ball hit the ground, however there was zero loss of control as he had full control of the ball from start to finish; should not have been overturned. The Goedert play ironically was very similar ... just replace ground with helmet; control was never lost, thus both should have been catches.

That was the bizarre thing. Both were called catches. Roughly the same kind of catch. One was overturned and one not. There wasn't enough evidence to overturn either. It has to be clear and evident. Was really surprised one was overturned. If they weren't called catches I could understand the opposite happening and it being hard to determine if it was a catch. The review process just seems wonky and biased.

[cmd227]

2 hours ago, opa-opa said:

Also im dunno why people are more upset about the Bradberry call than the Devonta call. I still didnt see any footage that should have overturned that. It was a catch. 

Just watched the game again on the NFL network to finish up my therapy session.  That overturn on DeVontas clear catch, late in the first half along the sideline at the Chiefs 10 was immense.   We score there with certainty and get 7 instead of 3.

[JayZee]

I am going to say it and flame away at me, but I am of the opinion that the field condition was a huge factor when it comes to getting pressure. It does not take away the design and scheme issues that we had but that field was soft and slippery. Look we have all watched the D the entire year and they looked slow getting off the ball which when traction is limited, plus the concern of slipping and falling when making first contact, it's human nature to just slow your movements. We all done it when walking in bad weather conditions. Take a look at the attached video from the 49ers game and just look at the initial reaction of the foot work and lack of turf breakdown. 

I get the we both played in it, and we have to deal with it but it did give an advantage to the KC when our emphasis is quickness off the ball and pressure. Many issues to play into the loss, but the field issue is a big one, and we know players are not going to call this out but it really stymied and limited the effectiveness of our pass rush.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/analysis/now-you-know-49ers-purdy-couldve-avoided-costly-hit-vs-eagles/

[Eldereagle1]

All I know is if this coaching staff can’t win the big one with the loaded roster they had this year, how will they manage with a tougher schedule and a few less pieces next season?

[[TSM]_PimpDaddyPain]

6 hours ago, Arthur Jackson said:

Will everyone kindly stop embarrassing the rest of us with your "it was the field" and "it was the refs"?

Either get a handle on your cognitive bias or go join the Flat Earthers licking the interior window surfaces of short-wheelbase public school buses.

It was a tight game and the Eagles lost because they failed to adjust to the Chiefs' exploitation of a fundamental weakness in our defense.

It's not embarrassing at all if there is truth to it.  For some reason the Chiefs knew about the field and were prepared and the Eagles weren't.  And in a game that close of course two horrible calls are going to be less forgivable.  This isn't an either or thing, yes our defense got gashed and exploited but it's the only game this entire season that they were slipping and sliding all over the place.