2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Should have done that

So John Johnson should be able to sign for roughly 83 cents.  

Still no word on Ryan Neal which is odd.

Also, Edmunds got more than Rapp, which surprises me.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Maybe but I think he put it out because he believes it's true. They could decline to interview without making a statement.  It's not like Rosenhaus is hoping to tank his value.   Rosenhaus is savvy and doesn't seem to make rash statements about his players.  

I think he's making that statement to try to spin it positively for his client. But I'd be very surprised if it was Rosenhaus telling him not to visit teams outside of top 10. He's not an idiot, and was or still is one of the best agents out there. He knows the importance of visits and the possibility of a team outside 10 trading him. To me, it screams Carter being lazy and not wanting to do the visits. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think he's making that statement to try to spin it positively for his client. But I'd be very surprised if it was Rosenhaus telling him not to visit teams outside of top 10. He's not an idiot, and was or still is one of the best agents out there. He knows the importance of visits and the possibility of a team outside 10 trading him. To me, it screams Carter being lazy and not wanting to do the visits. 

Maybe no one in the 11-15 range called

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

By like I meant someone they think is a franchise QB. I just assume for a team to take a QB top 3 they must think they're a franchise QB. But generally speaking if you grade a guy as an elite QB prospect, but pass on him because you think you might have a shot at a guy next year you like better, then that would be stupid because there's no guarantee you get them. If they don't take Young because they don't view him as elite then it obviously is a different scenario.

If they believed he was a franchise Qb and loved him then i think they are taking him regardless. I don’t think that’s what they’re thinking when i say tanking for Caleb  i think they rather roll with what they have and just be bad then take someone they aren’t in love or thrilled about and take their chances they can get Williams  

However if they don’t love him and view him that way then i don’t think they take him. I’m guessing some of their thinking about not reaching for a Qb at 2 that they simply like but don’t love would also be they believe there’s better QBs that they’ll love going forward that might be obtainable. I’m guessing also be in a better position to help their Qb at that point as well. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If they believed he was a franchise Qb and loved him then i think they are taking him regardless. I don’t think that’s what they’re thinking when i say tanking for Caleb  i think they rather roll with what they have and just be bad then take someone they aren’t in love or thrilled about and take their chances they can get Williams  

However if they don’t love him and view him that way then i don’t think they take him. I’m guessing some of their thinking about not reaching for a Qb at 2 that they simply like but don’t love would also be they believe there’s better QBs that they’ll love going forward that might be obtainable. I’m guessing also be in a better position to help their Qb at that point as well. 

If they don’t love Young we should find out soon enough, because if they don’t I can’t imagine they’d stand Pat and pick. They’d be crazy not to trade down and try to get another 2024 1st. Although the team most wanting to move up would probably be the colts and I can’t imagine they’d love the idea gifting the Colts their next franchise QB. Even if they don’t love Young. The prospect of them being wrong and the optics of them giving him to Indy would be an awful look if he ends up being a star.

So if it’s true, we’ll probably get rumblings of them talking trade with the Raiders or another team sooner or later.

Or maybe Houston saw the haul that Carolina gave up for #1 and wants to see who might be willing to give up what for #2?

Probably doesn't have anything to do with Stroud or Young at all.  Probably has something to do with seeing who bites on that info and what they do with it.  If someone wants to give up a bag to get #2 I'm sure the Texans would be more than happy to hear them out.

 

The Texans not taking a QB story is BS.

This may sound weird but the Texans will be too good for tanking next year.

They got way better at QB, coach, RB depth, WR/TE, and S before drafting at 2, 12, and 33

• Keenum is an actual decent 20s level QB and Mills is not top 40.
  • Mills is dollar store Dak. He only looks barely competent if the other team has flaws.
    • His shining moment was when LA was up 38-0 and benched their starters for the 4th quarter.
    • Houston scored 13 or less in 12 of his 26 starts and in 2 of the 8 he did not start.
• They lost the Cowboys game because Pierce got dinged and they had to use the schmoe from NE in goal line. (Burkhead)
• Lovie is a stiff. His last good year was something like 2012.

I'm not saying they will be an 8+ win team but they will win more than 4 and lose out on the top 3 picks.

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Who declines visits for anyone not in the top 10? What a terrible approach. Another red flag. 

Did his agent explain to him that teams can and will trade up?

41 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If they don’t love Young we should find out soon enough, because if they don’t I can’t imagine they’d stand Pat and pick. They’d be crazy not to trade down and try to get another 2024 1st. Although the team most wanting to move up would probably be the colts and I can’t imagine they’d love the idea gifting the Colts their next franchise QB. Even if they don’t love Young. The prospect of them being wrong and the optics of them giving him to Indy would be an awful look if he ends up being a star.

So if it’s true, we’ll probably get rumblings of them talking trade with the Raiders or another team sooner or later.

Let me get this straight:

The Texans picking 2nd overall are in a position to draft Bryce Young.  They don't wish to draft Bryce Young, presumably because they don't think he's good enough.

...... but, the Texans are better off wasting their 2nd overall pick drafting a QB they don't think is good enough, rather than allowing the Colts to waste their 4th overall pick on the same QB who isn't good enough -- because their evaluators might be wrong, and he might be good .....  ??

 

37 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

The Texans not taking a QB story is BS.

This may sound weird but the Texans will be too good for tanking next year.

They got way better at QB, coach, RB depth, WR/TE, and S before drafting at 2, 12, and 33

• Keenum is an actual decent 20s level QB and Mills is not top 40.
  • Mills is dollar store Dak. He only looks barely competent if the other team has flaws.
    • His shining moment was when LA was up 38-0 and benched their starters for the 4th quarter.
    • Houston scored 13 or less in 12 of his 26 starts and in 2 of the 8 he did not start.
• They lost the Cowboys game because Pierce got dinged and they had to use the schmoe from NE in goal line. (Burkhead)
• Lovie is a stiff. His last good year was something like 2012.

I'm not saying they will be an 8+ win team but they will win more than 4 and lose out on the top 3 picks.

Texans are trading for Jalen Hurts that's why they are not taking a QB in the draft.

In return the Eagles are receiving 

1st Rd (2023 #2)

1st Rd (2024)

2nd Rd (2023 #33)

2nd Rd (2025)

3rd Rd (2023 #65)

QB Davis Mills

SS Jalen Pitre

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Let me get this straight:

The Texans picking 2nd overall are in a position to draft Bryce Young.  They don't wish to draft Bryce Young, presumably because they don't think he's good enough.

...... but, the Texans are better off wasting their 2nd overall pick drafting a QB they don't think is good enough, rather than allowing the Colts to waste their 4th overall pick on the same QB who isn't good enough -- because their evaluators might be wrong, and he might be good .....  ??

 

I have no idea how you read that post and interpreted it that way. The implication wasn’t that they’d stand Pat and pick Young rather than dealing him to the Colts. It’s that they’d look to trade the pick to a team other than the Colts and move down.

53 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Or maybe Houston saw the haul that Carolina gave up for #1 and wants to see who might be willing to give up what for #2?

Probably doesn't have anything to do with Stroud or Young at all.  Probably has something to do with seeing who bites on that info and what they do with it.  If someone wants to give up a bag to get #2 I'm sure the Texans would be more than happy to hear them out.

 

No offense if the Texans thought young or stroud were franchise QBs and could be elite QBs there’s no way they deal out of two. So stroud and young’s potential definitely has something to do with them dealing 2. I get listening to whatever offer there is out there. Makes sense but if they actually do it, it's very likely centered around they didn’t believe either Qb was good enough 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I have no idea how you read that post and interpreted it that way. The implication wasn’t that they’d stand Pat and pick Young rather than dealing him to the Colts. It’s that they’d look to trade the pick to a team other than the Colts and move down.

Tbh if the Texans didn’t view Young as a franchise Qb then i don’t think they’d care if the colts got young as they don’t think he’s good enough to lead them anywhere otherwise they’d have just taken him. I compare it somewhat with when the eagles traded mcnabb to Washington.  they thought he was done and not going to be as good anymore so they were ok dealing him in division. 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh if the Texans didn’t view Young as a franchise Qb then i don’t think they’d care if the colts got young as they don’t think he’s good enough to lead them anywhere otherwise they’d have just taken him. I compare it somewhat with when the eagles traded mcnabb to Washington.  they thought he was done and not going to be as good anymore so they were ok dealing him in division. 

 

 

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh if the Texans didn’t view Young as a franchise Qb then i don’t think they’d care if the colts got young as they don’t think he’s good enough to lead them anywhere otherwise they’d have just taken him. I compare it somewhat with when the eagles traded mcnabb to Washington.  they thought he was done and not going to be as good anymore so they were ok dealing him in division. 

Oh I think it's waaaay different than McNabb. McNabb was clearly past his prime. This is a highly regarded rookie and if they end up being wrong in their evaluations then you just gifted a division rival a franchise QB. I'm not saying they'd never do it, but I'll guarantee they'd look to deal with another team first before the Colts.

I wonder if that's ever happened in NFL history. Has a team traded down out of the top 5 to a division rival letting them get a QB?

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Maybe no one in the 11-15 range called

There's still over 3 weeks and then on draft night things happen. Plus a positive visit could absolutely entice teams to make the call. This is also an opportunity for teams to get intel that could help him later if he were to find himself in free agency or on the trade block. There's no good reason to not visit and at least talk to other teams. 

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No offense if the Texans thought young or stroud were franchise QBs and could be elite QBs there’s no way they deal out of two. So stroud and young’s potential definitely has something to do with them dealing 2. I get listening to whatever offer there is out there. Makes sense but if they actually do it, it's very likely centered around they didn’t believe either Qb was good enough 

In all actuality, they probably won't.  But if you've got a team considerably out of range for Stroud/Young (Washington, Tampa Bay, Tennessee, dark horses like Baltimore or Minnesota) that will need a QB - you're going to seriously consider it if they're willing to blow you out of the water with a massive offer. 

The only way they wouldn't in that case is if they think those two guys are generational, can't-miss talents.  It happened before with RG3, the Rams were in position to land the next big thing and instead they swapped out for a truckload of picks. It could happen again. 

 

50 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Oh I think it's waaaay different than McNabb. McNabb was clearly past his prime. This is a highly regarded rookie and if they end up being wrong in their evaluations then you just gifted a division rival a franchise QB. I'm not saying they'd never do it, but I'll guarantee they'd look to deal with another team first before the Colts.

I wonder if that's ever happened in NFL history. Has a team traded down out of the top 5 to a division rival letting them get a QB?

Different cause mcnabb had a track record and was on the decline. But at the time people still thought he could play for 2-3 more years it’s why Washington made the deal. However, the Eagles thought he was done and it didn’t matter where he went. He wasn’t going to help anybody win a title. They happen to be right.

My guess is if the Texans are willing to trade out of that spot they don’t think he’s good enough so they  will trade the pick to the highest bidder. i don’t think it matters rookie or not. If you don’t believe he’s good enough for you then why are you afraid if he goes to another team? Gonna get ridiculed either way if young pans out with a divisional opponent or not. If you believe he’s not good enough then you gain draft capital from a division rival and put your opposition in a worse spot cause you don’t think highly of him. 

im guessing they look to deal him for the best package division rival or not. 

Just took some time to watch some video of Van Ness and Murphy. Van Ness to me has better bend at the edge and a better motor. He also has that inside-out versatility along the line. Not saying I'd love either at 10, but if their board came down to the two of them, I'd rather have Van Ness.

Lets address the real question.

 

Can Kentavious Street play edge?

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Just took some time to watch some video of Van Ness and Murphy. Van Ness to me has better bend at the edge and a better motor. He also has that inside-out versatility along the line. Not saying I'd love either at 10, but if their board came down to the two of them, I'd rather have Van Ness.

Assuming Carter doesn’t fall to 10 I think the  four guys they go with if they stay at 10 is Gonzalez, Witherspoon, the Northwestern offensive lineman or Nolan Smith.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think he's making that statement to try to spin it positively for his client. But I'd be very surprised if it was Rosenhaus telling him not to visit teams outside of top 10. He's not an idiot, and was or still is one of the best agents out there. He knows the importance of visits and the possibility of a team outside 10 trading him. To me, it screams Carter being lazy and not wanting to do the visits. 

I guess but who is the spin for? Is it Rosenhaus assuaging his client's feelings? He doesn't have to make a public statement to get that information out to the media. If he was called about the matter, he could make an off the record statement so, at least in the press, he hasn't burned a bridge with a team.   Also, there's a question of Rosenhaus's credibility.  Either Carter gets drafted top 10 or not. It's not like the statement would impact his draft status.  Why make it if he's not confident in it? 

23 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Different cause mcnabb had a track record and was on the decline. But at the time people still thought he could play for 2-3 more years it’s why Washington made the deal.

i don’t think it matters rookie or not. If you don’t believe he’s good enough for you then why are you afraid if he goes to another team? Gonna get ridiculed either way if young pans out with a divisional opponent or not. If you believe he’s not good enough then you gain draft capital from a division rival and put your opposition in a worse spot cause you don’t think highly of him. 

im guessing they look to deal him for the best package division rival or not. 

Well maybe the Texans think he’s good but not quite worthy of a top 3 pick and would still not prefer to give a division rival a good QB?

Also another variable is maybe the Texans think Will Levis or Richardson flat out suck and know if they don’t give the Colts Bryce Young the Colts will wind up with one of them and would rather the Colts marry themselves to a QB they think sucks rather than give them a QB they think is good but not quite elite.

Either way, I think dealing with a division rival for a top 5 QB is an absolute last resort.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Assuming Carter doesn’t fall to 10 I think the  four guys they go with if they stay at 10 is Gonzalez, Witherspoon, the Northwestern offensive lineman or Nolan Smith.

I think Gonzalez is gone at 10. And Skoronski is a G...taking that at 10 would be disappointing. Ideally I want Witherspoon. If he's gone, I really want to see them trade down. I feel after the top 10, 11-30 are interchangeable and we can derive more value for the class overall by picking up another couple picks.