November 12, 20241 yr On 11/10/2024 at 2:05 PM, Tnt4philly said: Before my time too. I lived in West Ocean View from around 88-94 or so, East Ocean View was a cesspool. It is cool to see places you lives in the movies. The Boys Feom Brazil and Witness are the two movies I see the most familiar sights. A guy my wife and I went to HS and remained friend with until he passed away a few years ago, was an extra in the movie. Since we just talked about Kings Dominion a couple of days ago, and I just saw this in the news today: I haven't been to Kings Dominion since about 2 weeks after the 9/11 attacks, and likely won't ever go again, but that looks like a cool roller coaster. Not sure of where it is in the park, but I'm guessing that it's somewhere where near the Grizzly is/was (if it's gone).
November 12, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: I mean, Latinos voted more for Trump than any GOP candidate in a while. Latinos are generally church goers and socially conservative. They’re an interesting demographic. Socially conservative, financially liberal, foreign policy I don’t think plays much role in their voting but I suppose they would have a combo of dovishness combined with peace through strength machismo. I think Trump plays to them uniquely. But in the past their economic interests always superseded their social interests. Perhaps that changes a bit as they become more established in the economy though.
November 12, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, TEW said: But you’re not. Thats the funny part! Democrats lost because they failed at everything, not because they didn’t string the right words together. You simply aren’t smart enough to identify the problem correctly and the masses are. Economy — rampant inflation caused by Dems spending. Foreign policy — literally a war in Eastern Europe and the Middle East caused by their own weakness and no solution in sight besides throwing money at the problem. Social issues — LMFAO This isn’t a "let’s explain things simply and then the unwashed masses will understand” problem. This is a "we failed at literally everything, everything we touch turns to absolute sh**, and we can’t convince voters we aren’t at fault for all of this because we are” problem. I'm not going to go through the entire list but I'll take the first one because it's the most important... Economy - Inflation is expected when you have to stimulate an economy out of a recession. CPI is now back within reason. You ask an average American voter if they believe that and they'll tell you no because they don't understand how inflation works. They equate inflation coming down to prices coming down, which they never will. Their real issue is that they aren't making more to offset the difference. And the fact that they don't know the difference, and Democrats are just sitting their screaming that inflation is fixed, is the reason why they lost on the economy this election cycle.
November 12, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I mean, Latinos voted more for Trump than any GOP candidate in a while. Latinos are generally church goers and socially conservative. Generally church going and socially conservative but vote dem - usually significantly.
November 12, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: I'm not going to go through the entire list but I'll take the first one because it's the most important... Economy - Inflation is expected when you have to stimulate an economy out of a recession. CPI is now back within reason. You ask an average American voter if they believe that and they'll tell you no because they don't understand how inflation works. They equate inflation coming down to prices coming down, which they never will. Their real issue that they aren't making more to offset the difference. And the fact that they don't know the difference and Democrats sitting their screaming that inflation is fixed is the reason why they lost on the economy this election cycle. They’ll tell you no and they’ll be right because your premise is false. We weren’t even in a recession, genius. The Democrats used Covid as an opportunity. The COVID recession ended in April of 2020. The unwashed masses are LITERALLY smarter and more informed than you, and you keep huffing farts. Quote "Our research shows mathematically that the overwhelming driver of that burst of inflation in 2022 was federal spending, not the supply chain,” said Mark Kritzman, a senior lecturer at MIT Sloan. https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/federal-spending-was-responsible-2022-spike-inflation-research-shows
November 12, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: I'm not going to go through the entire list but I'll take the first one because it's the most important... Economy - Inflation is expected when you have to stimulate an economy out of a recession. CPI is now back within reason. You ask an average American voter if they believe that and they'll tell you no because they don't understand how inflation works. They equate inflation coming down to prices coming down, which they never will. Their real issue is that they aren't making more to offset the difference. And the fact that they don't know the difference, and Democrats are just sitting their screaming that inflation is fixed, is the reason why they lost on the economy this election cycle. "If they just understood that prices will NEVER go back down, they'd vote dem again!"
November 12, 20241 yr 22 minutes ago, TEW said: They’ll tell you no and they’ll be right because your premise is false. We weren’t even in a recession, genius. The Democrats used Covid as an opportunity. The COVID recession ended in April of 2020. The unwashed masses are LITERALLY smarter and more informed than you, and you keep huffing farts. https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/federal-spending-was-responsible-2022-spike-inflation-research-shows You're not going to gaslight me, dude. . The unemployment rate when Biden took office was 6.4% and the country was, at the time he took office, down 9.3M jobs from the year prior. And just to dispel the insanely hilarious notion even further that things were peaches and cream and totally back to normal, the months of November and December in 2020 had a grand total of 25k jobs created. Of course Biden is going stimulate the economy. So, no, you may be able to intentionally mischaracterize and pretend reality didn't happen and get away with it with some other people on here but it it's not going to be me.
November 12, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: Ever see that South Park episode with the San Francisco dip sh**s huffing their own farts? Never, but that sounds hilarious!
November 12, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: No, I’m suggesting that no matter how you dress up your sh** policies they are still absolute sh**. I blame white guys
November 12, 20241 yr Just now, mayanh8 said: You're not going to gaslight me, dude. . The unemployment rate when Biden took office was 6.4% and the country was, at the time he took office, down 9.3M jobs from the year prior. And just to dispel the insanely hilarious notion even further that things were peaches and cream and totally back to normal, the months of November and December had a grand total of 25k jobs created. Of course Biden is going stimulate the economy. So, no, you may be able to intentionally mischaracterize and pretend reality didn't happen and get away with it with some other people but it it's not going to be me. You said we were in a recession. That is false. We were factually not in a recession. I’m sorry if you don’t know the meaning of the words that you use, but that’s a you problem. Much like Obama’s stimulus, this spending was not necessary. The crisis had already been averted. But as Rahm Emanuel said, "never let a crisis go to waste.” So the Dems used the opportunity to money dump their special interests, and the result was that they created the worst inflation in 40 years — possibly worse than the Carter years, since the calculations have changed so much. No amount of propaganda is going to change this fact. The voters know. They see it for what it is.
November 12, 20241 yr FWIW, Asians and Latinos in CA moved right this election https://www.sfchronicle.com/election/article/trump-election-sf-california-19894648.php Quote The Chronicle ran a precinct-level regression analysis to measure which demographics best correlated with the shift toward Trump. We found that the best predictor of whether a precinct swung toward Trump wasn’t income, poverty rates, or the foreign-born share. Rather, ethnicity best predicted vote shifts: the most Asian areas were likeliest to move toward Trump, and the whitest areas the least. Latino voters in California, predominantly of Mexican and Central American origin, remained more steadfastly in the Democratic camp in 2020. But this cycle, that seems to have changed: preliminary data suggests some of the strongest shifts toward Trump in California occurred not in wealthier, whiter coastal counties, but in more Latino and working-class Central Valley and Inland Empire communities. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/latino-areas-of-san-diego-county-shifted-toward-trump/3671841/ Quote In Chula Vista, where 53.5% of registered voters are Latino, Trump earned 41.7% of the vote compared to 33.5% four years prior. In National City, which is 61.9% Latino, his support rose from 31% in 2020 to 39.9% this cycle. And in San Diego City Council District 8, where 69.4% of registered voters are Latino, Trump earned 40.2% of the vote as compared to 27.5% in 2020 – a nearly 13-point swing. If this continues, the Democrats are done.
November 12, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, paco said: Never, but that sounds hilarious! Someone should make a .gif of it!
November 12, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: The most serious problem for Democrats remains the insane progressive wing of the party. I was in PA for 5 days right before the election, and Trump was running the "Kamala is for they/them" ad non-stop because it works. As Bill Maher has said -- if your policy sounds like an Onion headline, maybe find a better policy. Democrats won't stand up to their lunatic fringe (trans activists, terrorist supporters, etc.). While the GOP won't do it either, the GOP fringe isn't nearly as repugnant to the average voter -- crying fascism doesn't have the same impact as telling people their daughter is going to get beat up by a boy at her lacrosse game. If the left wants to win, they need to start calling out the crazy in their party instead of focusing on the crazy in the GOP. Apparently the Harris campaign tried to run a response ad to the "They/Them" ad and it didn't poll well with focus groups so they didn't run it. I can't imagine how anything could be worse than not addressing it all, but it must have been a horrible response.
November 12, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: No, and this "we are just TOO SMART” world view is why you keep getting your back blown out by a 70 year old game show host. Ever see that South Park episode with the San Francisco dip sh**s huffing their own farts? Yeah — that’s you. The problem isn’t your propaganda, the problem is you. Most of them are so smart they don't even know what gender they are.
November 12, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: FWIW, Asians and Latinos in CA moved right this election https://www.sfchronicle.com/election/article/trump-election-sf-california-19894648.php San Bernardino County and Riverside County flipped red. Orange County had flipped red, but appears to be going back to blue after more vote-counting.
November 12, 20241 yr One of the other things to note on this CA discussion -- we are pretty involved in Oakland politics because of an investment we have up there. What you find consistently is that the white voters are the ones that go super progressive, while black/Latino/Asian voters tend to be more moderate. Black and Latino voters roundly rejected the defund the police nonsense and want crime punished -- they led the recall of the DA and Mayor. Asian voters in SF reacted harshly when the school board tried to cut gifted classes (they banned teaching Algebra in 8th grade FFS). White progressives vote for terrible policies that they never feel the impacts from. Those who are impacted by them reject those policies.
November 12, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: FWIW, Asians and Latinos in CA moved right this election https://www.sfchronicle.com/election/article/trump-election-sf-california-19894648.php https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/latino-areas-of-san-diego-county-shifted-toward-trump/3671841/ If this continues, the Democrats are done. The election system has a way of balancing out. I remember when the GOP was talking about a permanent majority after Reagan. An economic issue here, a war there, things rebalance. If these trends of minorities moving to the right continues, the GOP will have a window of 8 years or so where they seem invincible, then they will make a mistake, the world will come up with some issue, and things will swing the other way. Whats most exciting is that the electoral battle lines which have existed for my entire life seem to be getting dislodged. Could we see a new alignment both in voter allegiance and/or party policy? The GOP has made some massive shifts since the 2000’s. The neocons are persona non grata and they seem to have learned from the Iraq war. Socially they are pretty darn moderate, despite the Christian fundamentalist vote. Gay marriage isn’t a contested issue, Roe is an issue, but they seem content to punt to the states. The war on drugs shifted and focused to the opioid crisis, with no one caring about marijuana, which seems quite rational. The Dems took the post Bush era as a sign to "go for it” on all fronts, but that seems to have backfired. It doesn’t look like they will moderate in the next few years, so maybe they do need to get their arses kicked one or two more times to force them to regroup and come to the center socially. The Dems seem to almost be the foreign policy hawks now. Does a moderately hawkish, socially leftist, progressive economic platform have a future? How does it fair against a more isolationist, socially moderate, protectionist economic platform? Fascinating times in any case.
November 12, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, vikas83 said: One of the other things to note on this CA discussion -- we are pretty involved in Oakland politics because of an investment we have up there. What you find consistently is that the white voters are the ones that go super progressive, while black/Latino/Asian voters tend to be more moderate. Black and Latino voters roundly rejected the defund the police nonsense and want crime punished -- they led the recall of the DA and Mayor. Asian voters in SF reacted harshly when the school board tried to cut gifted classes (they banned teaching Algebra in 8th grade FFS). White progressives vote for terrible policies that they never feel the impacts from. Those who are impacted by them reject those policies. Yeah, but they are morally right.
November 12, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, Gannan said: Apparently the Harris campaign tried to run a response ad to the "They/Them" ad and it didn't poll well with focus groups so they didn't run it. I can't imagine how anything could be worse than not addressing it all, but it must have been a horrible response. Did you see their other ads? It was the single worst ad campaign in the history of politics. It was so bad I almost made a thread on it before the election. It was like if you had the most flamboyant gay man in the Democratic Party meet with the most finger wagging nag of a feminist in the Democratic Party, gave them an unlimited budget, and told them to reach out to straight men.
November 12, 20241 yr so, i guess there won't be a bunch of meandering tourists visiting the capitol this jan?
November 12, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said: so, i guess there won't be a bunch of meandering tourists visiting the capitol this jan? where have all the patriots gone?
November 12, 20241 yr So my boy is in 6th grade and here we have a 6th grade center so it's just his grade district-wide. Well apparently there are two classmates that are transgender therians (formerly girls now identify as boys/cats) that have been granted permission to use the boy's room. They're not full furries because of the dress code violations. Personally I would have made them use a litter box, but that's just me. I can't help but laugh as my son tells me this crap.
November 12, 20241 yr 54 minutes ago, Procus said: Alpha posting videos of himself online again Poor fugly dude never got any puss, so he went and bought one of his own and now can't get anyone else desperate enough to play with it. Sad.
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