12 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Bc you cant seem to get past a fixation on thr the quantifiable traits. Jackson is just not good

Jackson had the highest yards per target of the preseason,  receptions of 35 and 20 yards.  Often you just get those kinds of gains with tall, fast receivers.

It really looked good to me.  His blocking on the Sermon TD run looked good to me.

And Grant Calc didn't look good.   I can definitely imagine that there are areas of Tyree's game that could use improvement,  but he's been able to do things that are good and make explosive plays.

You can say that Grant Calc is too short and doesn't jump all that well.  We saw that.  But I haven't seen anything to point to where Tyree is not good.   He looked like a #4 to me, a starter, capable of making big plays, but probably not getting a lot of targets,  because the stars are stars,  making big plays and reliable.  I don't think Tyree is likely to be as reliable as the stars, but he can make the kind of big plays that a 6'7 pass catcher with 9.83 ras would make.

Anyway, he's with the Giants now, so they'll figure out what they want to do with them.

57 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I really don't get the obsession with Jackson.  Howie knows the market and traded for Albert O. because he didn't think he'd last in waivers until 31.  No one claimed Jackson and he's on the Giants PS now. Jackson only seems to have value here

Dude, the Tyree Jackson truthers around here are just embarrassing themselves at this point. Albert O is a much better player.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Actually not 5 more than Siposs.  45.4 yards per punt was King’s gross average.  XFL doesn’t provide net average punt stats.  Siposs had a 45.6 gross average and a 40.6 net average.

Don't let the facts stand in the way of the hate.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I’d bid but it needs to be a twofer so I can bring my son.  Rather have it be an on the field work session though.

1 hour ago, TEW said:

If we are truly looking at this kid as a big WR, then the blocking is much less of an issue.

But the eagles lost Tyree Jackson for him, which I don’t understand, especially since we are keeping 3+AO.

.10 faster, better route running, surer hands. And Jackson really didn’t show as a better blocker.  Similar injury history.

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Dude, the Tyree Jackson truthers around here are just embarrassing themselves at this point. Albert O is a much better player.

Dude, did you even watch Jackson's game stats? They were awesome. I don't care if he was wide open and only had to catch routine throws with lots of room to run. He made big yardage on those plays, dammit!

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

That I can oblige.

Thanks.  We should agree that we quote from the old and post in the new during that changeover period so the person quoted has the opportunity to respond.  Could you include a reminder about that in your Stop notice? Really appreciate you taking on the role of change artist.

10 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Don't let the facts stand in the way of the hate.

Is there anything to the theory that some of Siposs' worst moments came after Kern who had already brought a larger magnifying lens to the position?

Kern sucked real bad.  He left for siposs to return. Everyone redirects pointing to go back to being good and then siposs shanks a couple. Next thing you know the whole image of him changes. 

35 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

 

It's just a matter of whether the blog is slowing down, which everyone that uses it can judge based on how long it takes for posts to go through once you click 'Submit Reply' or how long pages take to load. 

A thread can get so big in the database that it can tend to slow things down because of how long it takes the system to load the thread or search and things like that. So that's the only reason for archiving. The Archive forum is in a separate database. So by moving big threads into the archive, we're moving them out of this database which eases the strain on the system as a whole. But it keeps those archived threads available for reference/reading. 

Since they are still within our board, just in a separate database, you can still do some basic (very basic) functions if you want to reply to a specific post in an archived thread. For example, I went to a previous blog in the archive and found a post by @BigEFly, as if I wanted to reply to it. 

Here's a screenshot of that post:

Notice the three dots in the upper right corner? Click that, and that will give you the option to 'share'. That opens up a dialog box with the posts URL in it. Just copy that URL, then go to the new thread (in this case, this newer blog). Paste the URL that you copied, into the reply box and it will display that post as below:

 

 

This way you can reply to that post, even though you can't actually post in that archived thread. It's a little more 'involved' than the typical way you can reply to a post under normal circumstances, but it works.

 

The hope with the archives is that it will help to alleviate the problem of threads getting so big that they slow the whole board down. On the old EMB, they deleted millions of posts over the years, as I'm sure @Moderator12 or @Moderator5 can attest to, since they were Mods on the old boards. 

I always hated that old posts got deleted, but understood the reasons why. 

 

35 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

 

It's just a matter of whether the blog is slowing down, which everyone that uses it can judge based on how long it takes for posts to go through once you click 'Submit Reply' or how long pages take to load. 

A thread can get so big in the database that it can tend to slow things down because of how long it takes the system to load the thread or search and things like that. So that's the only reason for archiving. The Archive forum is in a separate database. So by moving big threads into the archive, we're moving them out of this database which eases the strain on the system as a whole. But it keeps those archived threads available for reference/reading. 

Since they are still within our board, just in a separate database, you can still do some basic (very basic) functions if you want to reply to a specific post in an archived thread. For example, I went to a previous blog in the archive and found a post by @BigEFly, as if I wanted to reply to it. 

Here's a screenshot of that post:

Notice the three dots in the upper right corner? Click that, and that will give you the option to 'share'. That opens up a dialog box with the posts URL in it. Just copy that URL, then go to the new thread (in this case, this newer blog). Paste the URL that you copied, into the reply box and it will display that post as below:

 

 

This way you can reply to that post, even though you can't actually post in that archived thread. It's a little more 'involved' than the typical way you can reply to a post under normal circumstances, but it works.

 

The hope with the archives is that it will help to alleviate the problem of threads getting so big that they slow the whole board down. On the old EMB, they deleted millions of posts over the years, as I'm sure @Moderator12 or @Moderator5 can attest to, since they were Mods on the old boards. 

I always hated that old posts got deleted, but understood the reasons why. 

Do the three dots work when a thread is locked?  Admit I never tried it before but thanks for the suggestion. 

10 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Dude, did you even watch Jackson's game stats? They were awesome. I don't care if he was wide open and only had to catch routine throws with lots of room to run. He made big yardage on those plays, dammit!

Assuming sarcasm here.  Jackson underperformed in live real games.  

15 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I’d bid but it needs to be a twofer so I can bring my son.  Rather have it be an on the field work session though.

Vikas will outbid you with what he finds under his couch cushions

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Is there anything to the theory that some of Siposs' worst moments came after Kern who had already brought a larger magnifying lens to the position?

Kern sucked real bad.  He left for siposs to return. Everyone redirects pointing to go back to being good and then siposs shanks a couple. Next thing you know the whole image of him changes. 

I, for one, am willing to give Sisposs a bit of a pass on the Super Bowl.  I suspect he wasn’t fully healed. OTOH, the Tampa playoff game the year before……

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Vikas will outbid you with what he finds under his couch cushions

Not likely……

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

A Nebbiolo during a trip to Italy 15 or so years ago was responsible for the most memorable night of love making in my life.  Every time someone says Nebbiolo I smile.

Your Bea Arthur story is cleaner than Jeff Ross’, but not as funny

 

 

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Not likely……

@vikas83

Rich person fight!!!

Enough of the tyree Jackson talk. It’s clearly time to bring back Cornelius Ingram. 

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Is there anything to the theory that some of Siposs' worst moments came after Kern who had already brought a larger magnifying lens to the position?

Kern sucked real bad.  He left for siposs to return. Everyone redirects pointing to go back to being good and then siposs shanks a couple. Next thing you know the whole image of him changes. 

But that's really the thing. It wasn't a couple of moments. It was one punt that was bad. His first punt was 48 yards with 4.42 hangtime, which is pretty much in line with what an average NFL punt would look like. Meanwhile, the Chiefs punter had two below average punts in the same game, leading me to question whether the bad turf was affecting the punting game too.

One bad punt. Terrible tackling. Big return. We end up losing. And everyone goes nuts, demanding our punter be replaced. I'm not saying he shouldn't be, but the notion that he was just so awful that anyone with a modicum of experience would be an obvious improvement is frankly silly.

Kern was probably the worst punter the Eagles have had in the past forty years. The only one comparable was Mitch Berger when he was a rookie. He shanked punts all over the yard for three or four games before they had to pull the plug and put an end to that. Give credit to Berger for actually subsequently carving out a decent NFL career. But in an Eagles uniform, he was ghastly. Like Kern.

28 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Assuming sarcasm here.  Jackson underperformed in live real games.  

I presume you watched the actual games. That's your mistake right there. What you need to watch is the boxscores after the games. That'll reveal everything. Well, that and his RAS scores. That's all that matters.

29 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Dude, the Tyree Jackson truthers around here are just embarrassing themselves at this point. Albert O is a much better player.

Albert Ok should be more polished, being that he's been a pass catcher since high school, instead of a QB.  He's also heavier and faster.   Add those 3 things together,  much more experience at WR/TE, heavier and faster,  and he should be great.  Tyree is starting his 3rd year as TE,  but he's 6'7 and 9.83 ras.  Albert Ok doesn't have all the numbers and it's possible that he's severely lacking somewhere.  It's unlikely.  It's unlikely that AOK would have agility numbers as bad as Quez. Tyree Jackson has better agility than Quez.  258 4.49 but with agility numbers as bad as Quez.  That adds up to above average.  So above average is the floor. 

He has more production in the NFL than Tyree or Grant.  33 catches in 2021.  Played about half the snaps that year.  I don't think the Eagles would be asking for half the snaps.

41 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Do the three dots work when a thread is locked?  Admit I never tried it before but thanks for the suggestion. 

They should, but it's hard for me to answer that because things that don't work for members, work for me since I'm an Admin. I can post in locked threads, for example (but I can't post in the archive).

If you want to test it, here's a locked thread from here in TATE: https://www.eaglesmessageboard.com/topic/1751-new-emb-guidelines/

The three dots works for me, but I can't swear that it works for everyone and not just for admins/mods. So if you want to test it out, try it with that thread and see if it'll work for you.

 

 

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

I really don't get the obsession with Jackson.  Howie knows the market and traded for Albert O. because he didn't think he'd last in waivers until 31.  No one claimed Jackson and he's on the Giants PS now. Jackson only seems to have value here

His value is his upside.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

.10 faster, better route running, surer hands. And Jackson really didn’t show as a better blocker.  Similar injury history.

aok actually had a lot of drops last year.  in 2021 he had a much higher catch percentage.

we'd have to assume that long time wr/te aok is the better route runner.  qbs usually have good hands, especially if they're taking shotgun snaps. 

I give Tyree extra credit for being a QB. Tyree is a good innovation piece.  More throwing and running than the average TE.  aok is faster, and heavier, and should be a better route runner and more polished overall at TE.  We don't know if the jumps and the agility is as good as Tyrees.

The reason why people are talking about Tyree and Albert Ok is that is the change that just happened.  Players were cut and many that were cut went back to the practice squad.  But Tyree is gone and Albert Ok is new, and they play the same position, it's a replace,  so discussing the merits of it is really the thing to process right now.

It would not be unreasonable for the Eagles to think that they're getting a right now upgrade at the receiving TE position with Albert Ok.  He has had 1 good year with 33 catches and Tyree hasn't had that year.  And the heavier and faster.  Not unreasonable of the Eagles to think they're getting upgrade.  I'd prefer AOK and Tyree to AOK and Grant. 

45 minutes ago, TEW said:

His value is his upside.

and potential innovation.  Not many TEs have huge arms. 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Assuming sarcasm here.  Jackson underperformed in live real games.  

this preseason he did well.  I don't really care if Jackson's ability to get wide open left him wide open.  

It's true that the Eagles have star WRs and a star TE and other players who made the team,  we didn't see those players at all. 

I'm just saying that Jackson was good this preseason.  But he wasn't with 1s against 1s.  

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