28 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

I don’t think I can agree with the statement that Jalen is great. He has absolutely had great games, and great moments. But he has been the beneficiary of a lot of credit when the situation around him had to be perfect. Great QB’s adapt and don’t need the team to be perfect around them. I haven’t seen anything that suggests that Jalen can operate at a high level unless he has a perfect O line and 2 WR1’s plus a top 5 defense and a transcendent running attack. He has an opportunity in front of him to be great. The offense has been scheming space for WR’s and it’s just waiting on him to read the defense and get the ball out on schedule.

Sorry I should have been clear… When I say I think Jalen is great what I mean is I think he seems like a great person. He might not give a lot away but he seems like a cool character. He’s got a great temperament and doesn’t let things get on top of him.

1 hour ago, VeeMak said:

I don’t think I can agree with the statement that Jalen is great. He has absolutely had great games, and great moments. But he has been the beneficiary of a lot of credit when the situation around him had to be perfect. Great QB’s adapt and don’t need the team to be perfect around them. I haven’t seen anything that suggests that Jalen can operate at a high level unless he has a perfect O line and 2 WR1’s plus a top 5 defense and a transcendent running attack. He has an opportunity in front of him to be great. The offense has been scheming space for WR’s and it’s just waiting on him to read the defense and get the ball out on schedule.

I have to agree with this...for the longest time I was hoping I was wrong, that people were saying he wasn't elite was just not liking him but we can no longer have rose colored glasses and realize that the year we won the superbowl every single thing was right in place for him....Saquon had a 2000 yard year, both Smitty and AJ are number one receivers, the defense was number one that year and Dallas was in the top five amongst tight ends so unless you are a bust like Jamarcus Russell ANY QB would have been successful with that team that year.....it is what it is and I like Jalen but I have always said he is what he is.....a true RPO type QB....

On 10/9/2026 at 7:09 AM, Maga301 said:

If Jalen hasn't done that by now with multiple different OC's and offseason programs then I doubt we are going to see it, Hurts just isn't a polished passer that throws anticipation or works off of timing. I've wanted the same for Jalen, and not to silence the haters/media, but to hopefully see a player develop and provide stability for the team.

I think this front office knew who Jalen was during the Steichen years - Howie did a great job of loading Jalen with offensive talent, seems like they knew thats what it was going to take in order to get another SB, and we did. But now that the talent level isn't there, we are seeing Hurts struggle. And I think this is an orchestrated test by the front office, if Hurts continues to struggle then it is validation that we do not move forward with him.

On 10/9/2026 at 9:44 AM, Shalodeep said:

It would be whats best for this team. Would definitely make things a lot easier in loading back up in talent not worrying about the qb position. Hes just been in the league long enough where I just dont see it happening. Not my money though. Lurie will do what he wants.

On 10/9/2026 at 11:03 AM, VeeMak said:

There are examples of dual threat QB’s that evolved into prolific passers. Steve McNair, Mark Brunell and Steve Young come to mind. Randall Cunningham had his runner up MVP season with Minnesota as a pocket passer.

I don’t know that Hurts has the same arm talent as them, so it may be wishful thinking, but as critical as I can be of Hurts, the one area that he seems to excel at is hard work. I think he will put the work in, but the talent ceiling may be what prevents (or perhaps has prevented) this evolution from happening.

I don't think it's too late. Sirianni has always designed the offense (with the OCs we've had) to take advantage of what Hurts does well and avoid doing the things he wasn't that great at. They weren't really asking him to take more chances. Now that he has all the experience he has, his coaches need to challenge him to be better at the things he doesn't do well, as opposed to avoiding those aspects of a passing game. As a fan, I'm willing to accept that the INTs may increase, but that increase should be less of a worry when you increase your other passing numbers and extend drives, convert more 3rd downs and decrease 3 and outs.

I actually think McNabb left a lot of meat on the table by choosing not to run simply because he hated being called a "running QB." Randall mostly just ran for his life and when he got to Minnesota, that was the first time he ever played behind an O-line that was actually good. During his time in Philly, his O-line went from, the worst ever in the modern NFL, to still pretty bad. I don't think Hurts wants to stop being a dual threat QB and I don't think the "always slide" thing is his call. It started in 2023 after the contract extension and after (obviously) the 2022 shoulder strain. He's been coached to take a dive and that nullified the effectiveness of a critical part of the offense that we still, for some reason, try to use to no effect. If they want to eliminate that, fine, you need to replace it with something else that makes life harder for defenses. So force Jalen to get better at the things he's uncomfortable with rather than avoiding them.

19 hours ago, GeorgeM37 said:

I NEVER understood this part right here because he has been doing it since....well, forever!! He waits until the play clock is almost a zero to take a snap....I am like. dude, switch it up sometimes so they never know whats coming....but he never does and so the defense knows exactly how to play everything....its so frustrating to witness....

17 hours ago, MagicMoment said:

It makes no sense and we can see it from the couch. I hold Nick accountable at this point since this has been going on for multiple seasons. A competent coach would have put a fire on Jalen’s ass about this.

It's all part of what used to be a successful enough strategy to win a Super Bowl. They were limiting the game's total plays, increasing TOP, and trying to limit the amount of time the defenses had to be out there. It worked great when we were jumping ahead with big 1st half leads like 2022 and it still worked in 2024. But it isn't a good strategy during long periods of offensive struggles --- regardless of what is causing the struggles. I think Nick was just slow to recognize that it was broke and needed fixing. They tried to stay true to their previously successful strategy. As a HC, Sirianni really needs to learn how to adjust and when. I love that he trusts his players, but he needs them to trust him too.

14 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I don't think it's too late. Sirianni has always designed the offense (with the OCs we've had) to take advantage of what Hurts does well and avoid doing the things he wasn't that great at. They weren't really asking him to take more chances. Now that he has all the experience he has, his coaches need to challenge him to be better at the things he doesn't do well, as opposed to avoiding those aspects of a passing game. As a fan, I'm willing to accept that the INTs may increase, but that increase should be less of a worry when you increase your other passing numbers and extend drives, convert more 3rd downs and decrease 3 and outs.

I actually think McNabb left a lot of meat on the table by choosing not to run simply because he hated being called a "running QB." Randall mostly just ran for his life and when he got to Minnesota, that was the first time he ever played behind an O-line that was actually good. During his time in Philly, his O-line went from, the worst ever in the modern NFL, to still pretty bad. I don't think Hurts wants to stop being a dual threat QB and I don't think the "always slide" thing is his call. It started in 2023 after the contract extension and after (obviously) the 2022 shoulder strain. He's been coached to take a dive and that nullified the effectiveness of a critical part of the offense that we still, for some reason, try to use to no effect. If they want to eliminate that, fine, you need to replace it with something else that makes life harder for defenses. So force Jalen to get better at the things he's uncomfortable with rather than avoiding them.

It's all part of what used to be a successful enough strategy to win a Super Bowl. They were limiting the game's total plays, increasing TOP, and trying to limit the amount of time the defenses had to be out there. It worked great when we were jumping ahead with big 1st half leads like 2022 and it still worked in 2024. But it isn't a good strategy during long periods of offensive struggles --- regardless of what is causing the struggles. I think Nick was just slow to recognize that it was broke and needed fixing. They tried to stay true to their previously successful strategy. As a HC, Sirianni really needs to learn how to adjust and when. I love that he trusts his players, but he needs them to trust him too.

Im 100% fine with more interceptions if we are getting results. I didnt hate the effort they put into trying in 2023 to get him to sling it more. May have not been as successful as we all wanted, but I felt it was heading towards a better jalen long term. Then they ended that experiment

Looks like the haters will get their guy who couldn’t beat out Andy Dalton. Fingers are crossed.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Looks like the haters will get their guy who couldn’t beat out Andy Dalton. Fingers are crossed.

He did beat out Dalton which is why he is starting

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Looks like the haters will get their guy who couldn’t beat out Andy Dalton. Fingers are crossed.

You don't have to hate anybody to be sick of watching the worst passing offense in the league year after year. The only way is up.

Smart of him to get checked out after the game. Can't image it have moved again during the Panthers game and something bad happens

57 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Smart of him to get checked out after the game. Can't image it have moved again during the Panthers game and something bad happens

What is the prognosis / recovery time? Weeks?

2 hours ago, Eagles1960 said:

He did beat out Dalton which is why he is starting

Is that what happened in the preseason and why he didn’t even dress for weeks?

1 hour ago, MR-CYN said:

You don't have to hate anybody to be sick of watching the worst passing offense in the league year after year. The only way is up.

Quick question: Has any quarterback thrived in Mannion offense so far this season? Another question for you. Will McKee finally fix this broken running game and it’s one yard carries or worse?

10 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

What is the prognosis / recovery time? Weeks?

I wont even pretend to know. The internet doctors have claimed weeks to months (out for the season). So who knows

1 hour ago, CouchKing said:

What is the prognosis / recovery time? Weeks?

They had a doctor on WIP that stated 45 days to 3 months. Depends on how long he is on blood thinners for.

17 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

They had a doctor on WIP that stated 45 days to 3 months. Depends on how long he is on blood thinners for.

Calf DVT is about 3 months on average. Most patients have full relief of pain and swelling without anticoagulation within 1-2 weeks, but require about 3 months to be medically considered "out of the woods.”

I’ve been critical of Jalen’s play at times, but all of that needs to be put aside. This is a serious issue that is much bigger than football and it’s important that he takes the time needed to fully heal.

There will be hopefully time in the future to critique or celebrate his play. As for now, I will not opine on Jalen the QB.

8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Quick question: Has any quarterback thrived in Mannion offense so far this season? Another question for you. Will McKee finally fix this broken running game and it’s one yard carries or worse?

I was told Hurts threat of running makes the running game unstoppable.

McGee won't get less than zero second half passes like the buffalo game.

When you're at the bottom the only way is up.

1 hour ago, MR-CYN said:

I was told Hurts threat of running makes the running game unstoppable.

McGee won't get less than zero second half passes like the buffalo game.

When you're at the bottom the only way is up.

What if the bottom is an OC learning on the fly? He’s already made McKee look bad enough to be labeled worse than Dalton for weeks and now he’s going to make him look good enough to be great after finding out he’s starting after a few days notice? Yeah that’s a huge ask, but one way or another we are going to learn.

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

What if the bottom is an OC learning on the fly? He’s already made McKee look bad enough to be labeled worse than Dalton for weeks and now he’s going to make him look good enough to be great after finding out he’s starting after a few days notice? Yeah that’s a huge ask, but one way or another we are going to learn.

The only thing that I've learned so far is that this OLine sucks.

And by extension, our GM's fixing the OLine also sucks.

Do we learn anything about Tanner KcKee as a QB behind this OLine and under this OC? Does it matter?

The Eagles NFL script for this year is horrible. Who makes this stuff up?

4 hours ago, CouchKing said:

The only thing that I've learned so far is that this OLine sucks.

And by extension, our GM's fixing the OLine also sucks.

Do we learn anything about Tanner KcKee as a QB behind this OLine and under this OC? Does it matter?

The Eagles NFL script for this year is horrible. Who makes this stuff up?

We already making excuses for Tanner? Maybe we should trade for Herbert so we can go full excuse mode.

21 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

We already making excuses for Tanner? Maybe we should trade for Herbert so we can go full excuse mode.

McKee is a free agent this upcoming offseason. He will be lucky to be a backup somewhere, probably not here.

I am not making excuses. I'd like to see him succeed, but I don't see that happening.

McKee is a statue and is gonna get a healthy dose of blitzes. Hope he makes it through the whole game.

3 hours ago, CouchKing said:

McKee is a free agent this upcoming offseason. He will be lucky to be a backup somewhere, probably not here.

I am not making excuses. I'd like to see him succeed, but I don't see that happening.

McKee is a statue and is gonna get a healthy dose of blitzes. Hope he makes it through the whole game.

Don’t worry. He can read defenses so he should have processed five reads in the time Jalen reads one so he should be fine. The Jalen haters need keep that type of energy. The season is saved!

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Don’t worry. He can read defenses so he should have processed five reads in the time Jalen reads one so he should be fine. The Jalen haters need keep that type of energy. The season is saved!

Number one fan of the Philadelphia hurts? Hopefully it doesn't hurt too bad if they win on Sunday.

I hope this Aaron McKee kid can play.

On 10/16/2026 at 10:32 PM, MR-CYN said:

Number one fan of the Philadelphia hurts? Hopefully it doesn't hurt too bad if they win on Sunday.

I’m a number one fan of winning. I’ve seen all of these stats guys do nothing but get excuses. I hope you will be happy making them for Tanner.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’m a number one fan of winning. I’ve seen all of these stats guys do nothing but get excuses. I hope you will be happy making them for Tanner.

I don't make excuses for poor play no matter who's playing. You're a hurts fan not an eagles fan. Glad you're happy they're losing. Probably the only reason you came and posted. Pathetic.

It doesn't matter if the backup sucks. Hurts is the worst 2nd half qb in the league. He'll never get another contract from the eagles. He's cooked.

Just now, MR-CYN said:

I don't make excuses for poor play no matter who's playing. You're a hurts fan not an eagles fan. Glad you're happy they're losing. Probably the only reason you came and posted. Pathetic.

It doesn't matter if the backup sucks. Hurts is the worst 2nd half qb in the league. He'll never get another contract from the eagles. He's cooked.

I like winning, because I’ve seen al lot of losing. I just realize Hurts has more to do with winning than people realize. Funny though. You’re the one who was happy Hurts isn’t playing. Hurts has been the quarterback under center for those wins. I knew we were cooked, but you were happy. So be happy in your loss with a guy who couldn’t beat out Andy Dalton.