1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Rams were ready to sell at the trade deadline and come on since. Beating the Rams was a good win. They are better today though for sure.

Rams didn't win 4 in a row before facing us?  At there place?

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So running the ball is good or bad?   I don't get your point?   

One spin, finally Siri's realized we had to run the ball.... agenda = dumb coach

the next spin is Siri wants to run the ball too much and stunting the growth  ... agenda = dumb coach

Seems like this is the agenda

It's sunny out today ... = dumb coach 

It's raining today = dumb coach

 

No spin…it was actually our Oline that had suffered injuries and needed to simplify and play fast by attacking. Teaching pass blocking is much more difficult. Oline is learning Moore’s O as well. Contrary to your belief the QB is the only one needs to learn.

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

OK, name me better pass blocking teams?   Not a difficult thing to do... 32 teams, how many do the experts say are better at pass blocking?    

I’m not going to pretend I’ve watched league wide Olines anything like I’ve watched ours.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No spin…it was actually our Oline that had suffered injuries and needed to simplify and play fast by attacking. Teaching pass blocking is much more difficult. Oline is learning Moore’s O as well. Contrary to your belief the QB is the only one needs to learn.

Except our pass blocking has been excellent

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not going to pretend I’ve watched league wide Olines anything like I’ve watched ours.

Right... you just act like you do.   Very simple... trust ALL the experts when they put in the time to analyze that our OL is one of the top blocking OLs... pass protection.

Stop with this view you have where Hurts can do no wrong.  Then life becomes more simple

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

a half a second more time for Hurts... than ANY other QB in the league last week... AJ open... still deer in the headlights.

Finally even Seth Joyner criticized Hurts this week... that was tough for the brutha to do, but he be doing it!   

I criticized him as well. It wasn’t good. But also posted a link to a game breakdown this week. He had a few times where he was about to pass and a defender blocked his passing lane. We had some Oline mistakes as well. But overall it wasn’t our worst pass blocking effort. Actually thought Becton has shown improvement.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What was the gap, lets discuss.    Lets say 60 plays a game per offense.    what was the percentage of motion then, vs now.... and then we can see the difference in 60 plays.

very simple.  

I posted it last season. Top O minds utilize motion very high percentage. Siri used motion like 12 percent of the time. Very very wide gap between Siris use of motion and even the 31st team. Huge gap…pro O and Siri

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No spin…it was actually our Oline that had suffered injuries and needed to simplify and play fast by attacking. Teaching pass blocking is much more difficult. Oline is learning Moore’s O as well. Contrary to your belief the QB is the only one needs to learn.

My belief.. which seems to be consensus... the WRs are having a great year when given the opportunity to make plays.  The RB is the best in the league.  The OL is the best in the league, not the best run blocking nor the best pass blocking, but top 5 in both which makes them overall #1.

So the consensus is the other parts of the offense are all excelling.... except one position.   when you arer a fan of the entire team without a biased agenda towards one guy, then it's much easier to see... even Seth Joyner finally came around.

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

IDK.. you never describe Moore's O... where can I find this explanation either from you or one the lnternet somewhere?   I'm sure football experts have written about his O? 

You got to understand how any play works different under a different coach. Details are key. How against each different D that one play a coach wants things to progress. Not overnight just perfected. It’s not just the QB. The whole O has to sort it out. Frankly surprisingly seen the Oline have misques this season we just aren’t used to seeing.

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right... you just act like you do.   Very simple... trust ALL the experts when they put in the time to analyze that our OL is one of the top blocking OLs... pass protection.

Stop with this view you have where Hurts can do no wrong.  Then life becomes more simple

Far from had the view of Hurts can do no wrong. I just feel like I have a more thorough understanding of the whole situation that’s been unfolding for years here.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

My belief.. which seems to be consensus... the WRs are having a great year when given the opportunity to make plays.  The RB is the best in the league.  The OL is the best in the league, not the best run blocking nor the best pass blocking, but top 5 in both which makes them overall #1.

So the consensus is the other parts of the offense are all excelling.... except one position.   when you arer a fan of the entire team without a biased agenda towards one guy, then it's much easier to see... even Seth Joyner finally came around.

I understand the consensus. I hear all the talking heads. Listen to others points of view. The passing game has some many facets that have to come together. Easy to be that lady fan that just places all credit or blame on the QB. But us having so much more thorough knowledge of this organization should have a better understanding.

But not disagreeing QB development hasn’t been done at any quick rate. Wasn’t prioritized…heck been neglected.

19 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

sure... lets say he ran motions only 6 times per game.... thats 3 years about 55 games... 330 times Hurts could have seen the defense react to motion.   How many times does he need to see it to learn to make reads? 

Reads aren’t the same then and now….you still aren’t getting that part.

I’ve been consistently showing how Siri’s track record and all evidence has pointed towards Siri wasn’t teaching a scheme. Where the coach knowledgable in his own O gives everybody expectations for the varying situations they’ll face. Should be a cut and dry expectation for the players given from their coach.

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right... you just act like you do.   Very simple... trust ALL the experts when they put in the time to analyze that our OL is one of the top blocking OLs... pass protection.

Stop with this view you have where Hurts can do no wrong.  Then life becomes more simple

Yeah…I’m not so much a trust others opinions guy…especially over my own. I’m open minded …but opinionated. I’ve thoroughly watched our team….even you wouldn’t try to dispute that.

Heck you and I both have agreed for years nobody just agrees with PFF. It’s a tool. 

I’ve been a part of several people discussing whether we’d be better off benching Becton over his poor pass blocking this season. Really just comes down to his improvement and growth with it. I’d say Becton had possibly his strongest most well balanced game this past week.

Higgins signed JaMarr’s agent

1965 last time the Steelers won in Philly

56 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I criticized him as well. It wasn’t good. But also posted a link to a game breakdown this week. He had a few times where he was about to pass and a defender blocked his passing lane. We had some Oline mistakes as well. But overall it wasn’t our worst pass blocking effort. Actually thought Becton has shown improvement.

Yea...Ham...there is a few times where it's a little difficult for a player ... out of 30 plays there are absolutely some things that will make it difficult for Hurts.

YOU ALWAYS POINT OUT THOSE FEW TIMES... but there is a bigger story here that Hurts has his issues...that are his.  For the bulk of those plays. 

Again...for me, this shows why he is not elite, because these little difficulties he struggles against.   

Don't you think other QBs can get past a DL blocking their view much easier? Don't you think other QBs can squeeze in more difficult throws due to having stringer arms?

Yes,Seaumulo had a false start on 3rd and 1... but does that mean most QBs would fumble untouched on the next play?

We all know that the play doesn't go perfectly all the time...that's no excuse for Hurts when it is his fault the play wasn't successful. 

50 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I understand the consensus. I hear all the talking heads. Listen to others points of view. The passing game has some many facets that have to come together. Easy to be that lady fan that just places all credit or blame on the QB. But us having so much more thorough knowledge of this organization should have a better understanding.

Easy to put the blame on the QB when the protection is elite and the WRs are open.  Correct ...on those plays the gender of the fan doesn't matter 

Also. Regardless of gender a good fan can understand when an opportunity for a TD is there, that was a pretty simple read and throw...but then there is a punt following that missed opportunity....a good fan realizes that missed opportunity Changed the game!

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I posted it last season. Top O minds utilize motion very high percentage. Siri used motion like 12 percent of the time. Very very wide gap between Siris use of motion and even the siri used motion 31st team. Huge gap…pro O and Siri

so Siri used motion 12 times per game.   What if the top minds used it 60%?   I'm sure I'm way high... but lets look at it.  12 times per gam... vs 3 times per game.

We aren't talking about if the play will work ,we are talking about a QB needing to learn how to use motion to read a defense.   It's pretty insulting to think Hurts couldn't learn the effects of his team using motion whne they did it 12 times per game for his whole career.   That's a lot of motion reps to analyze and learn from.  Unless your opinion of Hurts mental ability is very low?

53 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah…I’m not so much a trust others opinions guy…especially over my own. I’m open minded …but opinionated. I’ve thoroughly watched our team….even you wouldn’t try to dispute that.

 

It's not even about you thinking you are smarter than everyone else... which is how you have come off for years ... but the refusal to acknowledge the time and effort other people put in to their analysis because it simply doesn't fit our agenda is ridiculous.  

 

57 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Heck you and I both have agreed for years nobody just agrees with PFF. It’s a tool. 

Again... listen to me.... it's not just PFF... it's EVERY outlet that's job it is to analyze the league... hours and hours, that are observing our OL to be a top OL in pass protection.
Not just PFF.  

 

59 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Heck you and I both have agreed for years nobody just agrees with PFF. It’s a tool. 

I suggest you watch the game from a Steelers fan perspective tomorrow... and really want the pass rush to get home.   Like you would when you complain about the Eagle rush without Reddick.  Pretend the Steelers have Reddick.   root for a Hurts sack and for pressure on him.   Then tell me how you think our OL did.  

This is the bias you have.... because it is natural.   

For me watching... I want the blocking to be perfect EVERY play, so I just complain about it, I would be horrible because of my bias to say that our OL was any good, because I just look for mistakes with our OL.     On the flip side, I think our DL should get a sack every play and stuff every run for a loss.  No DL to me is any good since watching the late 80s early 90s... so I have to take myself out of being a good judge.  I have to trust the neutral parties... plural... parties, not just PFF