8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What about the reasons why they were hired... and where its obvious Lurie couldn't blame Siri for those awful picks

Well…see was Johnson a horrible pick? I don’t think we even know. Don’t think he got much power ti do anything he wanted to. It was Siri’s O really dominating-ly.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nope don’t think they were cocky in hiring anybody thoughts. Actually hired Patricia knowing Desai wasn’t a good hire to roster him midseason…all along. But Desai got the DC job because he ran a sort of closest to Fangio sort of scheme. Main reason they hired Desai…not for cocky draft pick believing he was so good…because they knew Fangio was coming here in 2024 all along. So obvious

Well we disagree then... I absolutely believe the biggest weakness of our front office has been getting cocky after success.  That's what I believe happened in 2023, Howie did a poor job with the roster and forcing coordinators on Siri.    I believe the comp picks for the promotion more than the Hurts issue... but 100% Hurts was the reason Johnson was brought here in the first place.  

Either way... my point remains... nothing to do with Siri.  

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

See you don't like Siri...some of it is what want what you think is a football genius...and some is you will never like his personality.  That's fine.   But you should acknowledge that Lurie likes Siri .. both as a coach (that's why he hired him) because Lurie likes the CEO coach, not the genius O mind... his success prior was Andy and Doug, better with people... Chip was the " O mind hire" that completely backfired as was the low point for Lurie as the only time he fired a coach before the end of the season.    So that should be obvious that Lurie doesn't want the " great O mind"  especially when he has said that multiple times.     

I believe he will be happy with Howie and Siri ...and very easily will replace coordinators if needed. He likes both guys personally, he thinks both are good at their jobs, both are young and only can get better.  Both do what he wants.  

It was obvious Howie didn't give Siri the roster nor the coordinators in 2023.  So other than your reasons of just not liking him personally or wanting " the great O mind" it never made sense to fire Siri. 

I’m not completely disagreeing with all this. Lurie hired Siri. But Siri got the job based more on his assistants. Mostly Gannon. Heck…I actually think they liked Gannon more than Siri. But let’s not even go all down all that long walk. But I do think Siri was hired as the O mind. Siri believes he is the O mind. Complete believe that’s how Siri has thought all along. This is his O…the whole time. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Well…see was Johnson a horrible pick? I don’t think we even know. Don’t think he got much power ti do anything he wanted to. It was Siri’s O really dominating-ly.

Yes... I think we do know.... well I do because I don't think Siri wants to call plays.   But your obsession with 2021 and your personal dislike of what Siri represents... will lead you to think Siri wants to call plays

I just think common sense... you win one way,after makign a change... then an intelligent man wouldn't go back to the old way.  But I can use logic because I have zero personal issue with Siri

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not completely disagreeing with all this. Lurie hired Siri. But Siri got the job based more on his assistants. Mostly Gannon. Heck…I actually think they liked Gannon more than Siri. But let’s not even go all down all that long walk. But I do think Siri was hired as the O mind. Siri believes he is the O mind. Complete believe that’s how Siri has thought all along. This is his O…the whole time. 

OK... " But Siri got the job based more on his assistants"    so follow the logic... we agree 2023 were not " his choices for assistants"   so why wouldn't the logical thing be to allow Siri to pick his assistants after his success and Howie/ Lurie's failure in that area?    

   Now…I don’t like Siri statement is strong actually. But understandable how you see it that way. You’ve loved him. My main issue has been he wasn’t ready. I actually do like him. I think he’s a good guy. I believe he’s completely dedicated hard worker. Lives football. Super competitive. Cares for his players. Never questioned him in any of these areas. 
  So there have been many dislikes for me..mostly revolving around him not being qualified experienced and easy when hired in 2021. Also my belief is the easiest path is to hire the best O mind as your HC. Need more than just X and O knowledge to be a great  HC. My example would be that d1ckhrad with the Patriots. Good OC with Bellicheat..but got his own HC gig and never a doubt it would be a disaster. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

   Now…I don’t like Siri statement is strong actually. But understandable how you see it that way. You’ve loved him. My main issue has been he wasn’t ready. I actually do like him. I think he’s a good guy. I believe he’s completely dedicated hard worker. Lives football. Super competitive. Cares for his players. Never questioned him in any of these areas. 
  So there have been many dislikes for me..mostly revolving around him not being qualified experienced and easy when hired in 2021. Also my belief is the easiest path is to hire the best O mind as your HC. Need more than just X and O knowledge to be a great  HC. My example would be that d1ckhrad with the Patriots. Good OC with Bellicheat..but got his own HC gig and never a doubt it would be a disaster. 

I have plenty of dislike issues revolving around the not ready theme for Siri being the hire. Just a bunch to keep going into. I can…if I have to. But really just felt he wasn’t mature and ready.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not completely disagreeing with all this. Lurie hired Siri. But Siri got the job based more on his assistants. Mostly Gannon. Heck…I actually think they liked Gannon more than Siri. But let’s not even go all down all that long walk. But I do think Siri was hired as the O mind. Siri believes he is the O mind. Complete believe that’s how Siri has thought all along. This is his O…the whole time. 

If you were Siri... wouldn't you say " I picked my guys and we had success, how can you fire me when you picked the guys in 2023?"   

Only way he gets fired is if Lurie didn't like him personally, or felt the players didn't like him.  Obviously that was never the issue.   Could he not have had confidence in his ability to pick a second set of coordinators?    Very possible... but you can bet logic would tell him that he would be an idiot not to give Siri a chance at picking coordinators being that he NEVER picked a bad one... as compared to Doug who did.  

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Well we disagree then... I absolutely believe the biggest weakness of our front office has been getting cocky after success.  That's what I believe happened in 2023, Howie did a poor job with the roster and forcing coordinators on Siri.    I believe the comp picks for the promotion more than the Hurts issue... but 100% Hurts was the reason Johnson was brought here in the first place.  

Either way... my point remains... nothing to do with Siri.  

I see it as Rosie’s love for Gannon and him screwing around trying so hard to keep Gannon here for 2023. Offering to pay him HC salary as a DC…on and on. Lost  Fangio over it. I liked our Secondary Coach that went to Baltimore making their Secondary elite then took over with the Titans more than Desai. But Desai was a closest hire to Fangio band aid. I mean it was the exact opposite of Rush to hire Desai…they waited and waited…he wasn’t a hot candidate. But hiring Desai meant they didn’t need to rip up everything between Gannon and Fangio. Real obvious to me. 

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes... I think we do know.... well I do because I don't think Siri wants to call plays.   But your obsession with 2021 and your personal dislike of what Siri represents... will lead you to think Siri wants to call plays

I just think common sense... you win one way,after makign a change... then an intelligent man wouldn't go back to the old way.  But I can use logic because I have zero personal issue with Siri

How can you state Siri doesn’t want to call plays and run the O? Kind of crazy talk, respectfully as possible. He’s talked about how crushing and difficult it was giving it up to Steichen. Rumors everywhere flying Siri was running the O in 2023. Then What did you see this season? You didn’t see Siri completely lunging in taking over the O more and more each week starting week two? I mean he was arguing and debating with fans about his calls right after the bye.

  Siri completely wants to run the O and call the plays. Seems like you understand it’s actually not his strength…even though you love him as a HC…but you are totally blocking what he’s been doing on that front with the O. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

   Now…I don’t like Siri statement is strong actually. But understandable how you see it that way. You’ve loved him. My main issue has been he wasn’t ready. I actually do like him. I think he’s a good guy. I believe he’s completely dedicated hard worker. Lives football. Super competitive. Cares for his players. Never questioned him in any of these areas. 
  So there have been many dislikes for me..mostly revolving around him not being qualified experienced and easy when hired in 2021. Also my belief is the easiest path is to hire the best O mind as your HC. Need more than just X and O knowledge to be a great  HC. My example would be that d1ckhrad with the Patriots. Good OC with Bellicheat..but got his own HC gig and never a doubt it would be a disaster. 

Don;t " love" Siri.   Just don't pay attention to the outside noise like you do.  The players " love" him... to me that matters some.  But also, I can't fire a guy who brought his coordinators and had success.  Without ever picking a bad coordinator, why fire him?   So he goes somewhere else and picks another good set of coordinators?   I can't fire someone until they prove to fail.   We agree the roster was weak in 2023... no depth, older, not as good, tough schedule at the gauntlet stage ... 

You don't like Siri, you want a " great O mind"   I'm neutral on both.    WE also agree AJ got hurt at the end last year... you say it was meaningless...and you ended up being correct, but at the time AJ got hurt vs the Giants, the Eagles still had a shot at winning the division.  So while it bothered me some... it wasn't as big of a deal.  Mostly because even with AJ, they weren't going to win 4 playoff games.

So no " OMG I hate siri I can;t forgive him for 2023 in my head"  Howie/ Lurie were always more to blame to me, plus how the schedule worked out.  Didn't take a genius to see where Siri would bring up these things in the meetings after the season

 

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes... I think we do know.... well I do because I don't think Siri wants to call plays.   But your obsession with 2021 and your personal dislike of what Siri represents... will lead you to think Siri wants to call plays

I just think common sense... you win one way,after makign a change... then an intelligent man wouldn't go back to the old way.  But I can use logic because I have zero personal issue with Siri

You aren’t using the logic because you completely love Siri. Which he improving and we just won the SB. But your personal opinion is totally effecting your judgement on Siri completely believes it’s his O to run,

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You aren’t using the logic because you completely love Siri. Which he improving and we just won the SB. But your personal opinion is totally effecting your judgement on Siri completely believes it’s his O to run,

Don't love Siri... don't hate Hurts   ... just don't share your love and hate for either.   

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes... I think we do know.... well I do because I don't think Siri wants to call plays.   But your obsession with 2021 and your personal dislike of what Siri represents... will lead you to think Siri wants to call plays

I just think common sense... you win one way,after makign a change... then an intelligent man wouldn't go back to the old way.  But I can use logic because I have zero personal issue with Siri

I mean even if you don’t believe he’s been as heavy handed on the O in 2023 and parts of 2024 as he’s been….you can’t be completely blind to not have heard/figured out/ whatever you want to label it…that Siri hasn’t been calling plays. Week 2…who called the Saquan pass that lost the game? Siri. Who called the play action Smitty dagger in the SB? One bad and one great playcall….both everybody knows Siri called those plays. With Moore it wasn’t even very friendly working relationship…it was…”just call it!” Exact Siri quote.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Don't love Siri... don't hate Hurts   ... just don't share your love and hate for either.   

I just didn’t have the patience for Siri to learn grow and develop. I honestly have always questioned his maturity as well. Always believed the HC should be one of the mature adults with the organization. He’s less mature than so many of our young players. Which actually is our strength..,real strong character mature players here big time. For the most part.

  I don’t believe In a coach listening to the fans breaking concentration during a game. Don’t even believe players should let that happen. Thought this as a player in like 4 th grade or something even. Very basic part of sports. So that’s a key flaw.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You aren’t using the logic because you completely love Siri. Which he improving and we just won the SB. But your personal opinion is totally effecting your judgement on Siri completely believes it’s his O to run,

Listen... you do you... you be that emotional fan... that works for you.  That's not me as much,   My guys were Vermeil, Jaws, Carmichael, Wilbert, and the Phillies, Flyers and Sixers of that era.  The players when I was a kid are who were the ones I felt emotion about ...  the recent guys are half my age... I can't " look up to those guys"  to feel love or hate.  Their kids to me.  same with a coach.   If I were in a room and had the chance to go meet any of the players / coaches... I'd much rather meet the guys from back then, late 70s early 80s.  Those were guys I felt and still feel emotion.   

It's great the Eagles won two Superbowls ... my memories that will give me " emotion" will be Wilbert scoring the TD vs Dallas and Vermeil hugging his guys.  

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I just didn’t have the patience for Siri to learn grow and develop. I honestly have always questioned his maturity as well. Always believed the HC should be one of the mature adults with the organization. He’s less mature than so many of our young players. Which actually is our strength..,real strong character mature players here big time. For the most part.

  I don’t believe In a coach listening to the fans breaking concentration during a game. Don’t even believe players should let that happen. Thought this as a player in like 4 th grade or something even. Very basic part of sports. So that’s a key flaw.

I believe the head coach should win... that's it.   I don't really care about anything else.  

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I just didn’t have the patience for Siri to learn grow and develop. I honestly have always questioned his maturity as well. Always believed the HC should be one of the mature adults with the organization. He’s less mature than so many of our young players. Which actually is our strength..,real strong character mature players here big time. For the most part.

  I don’t believe In a coach listening to the fans breaking concentration during a game. Don’t even believe players should let that happen. Thought this as a player in like 4 th grade or something even. Very basic part of sports. So that’s a key flaw.

Now Siri actually showing and acknowledging just how much the fans he’s hearing and letting get to him I see as a big issue. What might be worse is…how often the fans and stadium have been right. I mean it’s been frankly embarrassing at times. The whole stadium is chanting out the obvious answer…that our HC can’t figure out. I don’t see how this point is even debatable…it’s happened…it’s fact.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I just didn’t have the patience for Siri to learn grow and develop. I honestly have always questioned his maturity as well. Always believed the HC should be one of the mature adults with the organization. He’s less mature than so many of our young players. Which actually is our strength..,real strong character mature players here big time. For the most part.

  I don’t believe In a coach listening to the fans breaking concentration during a game. Don’t even believe players should let that happen. Thought this as a player in like 4 th grade or something even. Very basic part of sports. So that’s a key flaw.

You worry about stuff that I don't worry about.  And that's fine.  Just I think when you take emotion and style out of it, then it's easier to see if a coach is good or bad.  

So I think Siri being green has held us back. Really just an obvious point. But magnified because our young QB was so green also. So this is where I’ve felt the need to correct myself some. I probably put the issue only on Siri too much. It most likely was the combination of Siri and Hurts. Siri needed to start out with a vet experienced QB. Hurts needed to start out with a vet experienced HC. Either way would have been much more ideal. 
  So I’m adjusting my opinions there. Please take note of this.

32 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Well we disagree then... I absolutely believe the biggest weakness of our front office has been getting cocky after success.  That's what I believe happened in 2023, Howie did a poor job with the roster and forcing coordinators on Siri.    I believe the comp picks for the promotion more than the Hurts issue... but 100% Hurts was the reason Johnson was brought here in the first place.  

Either way... my point remains... nothing to do with Siri.  

So again though….why do you believe Patricia was hired? 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now Siri actually showing and acknowledging just how much the fans he’s hearing and letting get to him I see as a big issue. What might be worse is…how often the fans and stadium have been right. I mean it’s been frankly embarrassing at times. The whole stadium is chanting out the obvious answer…that our HC can’t figure out. I don’t see how this point is even debatable…it’s happened…it’s fact.

Again.. it's not either embarrassiing or anything for me to puff my chest out with the off the field noise.    I don't worry about it.   Just like I didn't worry about AJ's t shirt, relaxing on the bench the last game... or reading his book.   That's all your stuff.  And that's fine... you do you.    i'm too old to focus on that stuff...just perform at your job is fine with me.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So again though….why do you believe Patricia was hired? 

I don’t think they were super cocky hiring Desai at all. Just screwed up with Fangio. Know Fangio was returning in one season. So you the closest thing with Desai…but knew he wasn’t a good hire. So the pre planned an early switch to Patricia.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So I think Siri being green has held us back. Really just an obvious point. But magnified because our young QB was so green also. So this is where I’ve felt the need to correct myself some. I probably put the issue only on Siri too much. It most likely was the combination of Siri and Hurts. Siri needed to start out with a vet experienced QB. Hurts needed to start out with a vet experienced HC. Either way would have been much more ideal. 
  So I’m adjusting my opinions there. Please take note of this.

IDK about Siri being green ... and I think hilarious that you look at the results and think Siri has held us back.... again, I really think you live in your own world there.... but you like that so you do you.

29 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

OK... " But Siri got the job based more on his assistants"    so follow the logic... we agree 2023 were not " his choices for assistants"   so why wouldn't the logical thing be to allow Siri to pick his assistants after his success and Howie/ Lurie's failure in that area?    

Siri’s success? He got demoted and lost power. Was allowed to stay on only if he accepted the step backwards. Makes not much sense at all to me. Fangio was always the guy. He was coming back in 2024…known before they hired Desai. Desai was hired strictly as a bad aid being the closest to Fangio-esque place holder.