June 7, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, mattwill said:Joe, it is interesting to drill down into Ham’s example. EndiveRGHere’s the Texans depth chart.Stingley and Lassiter are the Outside CBs and Pitre is the Nickel/Inside CBAs Ham has correctly noted Stingley is paid $30 million per year and is the #1 highest paid CB in the NFL. As shown in the OTC chart, Pitre is paid $13 million and is the #23 highest paid CB in the NFL. Lassiter is paid a bit less than $2.3 million and is the #73 highest paid CB in the NFL.To recap, Inside CB paid $13 million per year and Outside CB paid $2.3 million per year. As Arte Johnson would say, "Verrrry interesting, but...”There it is... Houston pays the Nickel CB 13 mil and the outside guy 2.3 mil... Because the Nickel CB is better.... but he isn't Stingley.DeJean will be our 2nd highest paid CB because he is our 2nd best CB. He will get good $$
June 7, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, joemas6 said:As compared to Cooper Dejean being a name player. Everyone knows him... he will get paid.Don’t confuse Ham with facts.
June 7, 20251 yr 54 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:You can tell also because these smaller schools are now getting TV time, so there is some monetary draw or they wouldn't air them. In SWFL, FGCU, FL Atlantic etc certainly grew leaps and bounds from their beginning. Cincy was put on the map in their "Cinderella" year. Toledo. E. Carolina. I'm sure you can list many more. No reason for Ham's idea to reduce the rosters. I lived 3 miles from where FGCU began and their growth was STUNNINGFootball growing in popularity is one thing. Doesn’t mean every football game is top level best product though.
June 7, 20251 yr 53 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:How does cutting the roster add quality? Wouldn't DEPTH be better at said lost position? If the position is the same, player 54 is LESS quality than player 53? Seriously?Yeah you missing everything. It might be too complicated for you to learn from me. But no doubt in my mind on this. Teams will just stash and protect as many players as they can. IR or 53.
June 7, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:Football growing in popularity is one thing. Doesn’t mean every football game is top level best product though.Absolutely agree 💯
June 7, 20251 yr So the more spots each team can protect? Keeps all that talent from being available. So really just more roster to stash guys means lesser options available for teams in need to choose from.
June 7, 20251 yr 22 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:Why are you so concerned about what DeJean gets paid??????Because it’s a key issue effecting us very much…in case you clearly haven’t been noticing.
June 7, 20251 yr 57 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:How does cutting the roster add quality? Wouldn't DEPTH be better at said lost position? If the position is the same, player 54 is LESS quality than player 53? Seriously?59 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:You can tell also because these smaller schools are now getting TV time, so there is some monetary draw or they wouldn't air them. In SWFL, FGCU, FL Atlantic etc certainly grew leaps and bounds from their beginning. Cincy was put on the map in their "Cinderella" year. Toledo. E. Carolina. I'm sure you can list many more. No reason for Ham's idea to reduce the rosters. I lived 3 miles from where FGCU began and their growth was STUNNINGSee there was NFL Europe. Canadian Football league…,you watch and love CFL?
June 7, 20251 yr 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:See there was NFL Europe. Canadian Football league…,you watch and love CFL?That’s where the excess talent went
June 7, 20251 yr 25 minutes ago, joemas6 said:Was 28 teams in the 80s.... 40 years ago. It's catching up now?Texans, Jags, Browns again, one other I forget
June 7, 20251 yr 26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:Was 28 teams in the 80s.... 40 years ago. It's catching up now?You guys really struggle to understand and see how a couple less teams would raise the talent pool for each game and every team?
June 7, 20251 yr Just real easy concept. If there were only ten NFL teams just imagine how good the games would be.
June 7, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:Last season PFF top CB rankings were:New York's Sauce Gardner, Denver's Pat Surtain II, Kansas City's Trent McDuffie and Chicago's Jaylon Johnson.Why did you stop at only the top 4? If you like PFF so much include their full list.1. SAUCE GARDNER, NEW YORK JETSGardner’s 91.9 PFF coverage grade since 2022 leads the league. He has forced a league-high 46 incompletions and allowed a league-low 0.60 yards per cover snap and 21.4% first-down-plus-touchdown rate over that span.Unsurprisingly, Gardner's PFF advanced coverage grade ranks first, as well. While he might not shadow opposing wide receivers at a high rate, he has excelled when asked to do soso.2. PAT SURTAIN II, DENVER BRONCOSThe reigning Defensive Player of the Year has recorded an 89.5 PFF coverage grade over the past three seasons, ranking second among cornerbacks, and his PFF advanced coverage grade places third.Often asked to shadow the opposing team’s top wide receiver, Surtain has produced at an elite level, as he’s allowed just 0.77 yards per cover snap across the past three years.Pat Surtain II's Career PFF GradesSubscribe to PFF+ to unlock the world's most advanced football database!3. TRENT MCDUFFIE, KANSAS CITY CHIEFSMcDuffie, the highest-graded cornerback in PFF's advanced metrics in 2024, has been highly underrated to start his career. His PFF advanced coverage grade ranks second across the past three years — and first across the past two years — while his standard PFF coverage grade in that span (89.0) places fourth.The Chiefs don’t ask McDuffie to shadow opposing receivers, but his ability to stay tight in coverage is elite.4. JAYLON JOHNSON, CHICAGO BEARSAfter an incredible 2023 campaign in which he led the NFL in PFF coverage grade (90.4), Johnson posted a 74.2 PFF coverage grade and allowed more yards and catches in 2024. But his advanced metrics still pointed to an elite-level season, as he ranked third in PFF advanced coverage grade.5. DEREK STINGLEY JR., HOUSTON TEXANSAfter a poor rookie season, Stingley has generated a 90.3 PFF coverage grade over the past two seasons — the best mark among all cornerbacks.The 2022 No. 3 overall pick plays a high-risk, high-reward brand of football and threads that needle well, as his 12 interceptions across the past two years lead the league.6. D.J. REED, DETROIT LIONSReed has yet to become a household name at the position despite excellent play for several seasons. His PFF advanced coverage gradeover the past two years ranks fifth, while his 89.3 standard PFF coverage grade ranks 12th.Reed has put together six straight seasons of earning a 70.0-plus PFF overall grade.7. MARLON HUMPHREY, BALTIMORE RAVENSAfter battling injuries in 2023 and posting a career-low 63.2 PFF coverage grade, Humphrey enjoyed a mostly healthy 2024 season and posted an 81.0 PFF coverage grade, good for the second-best mark of his career.He ranked fourth in PFF advanced coverage grade in 2024, and his 6.4% interceptions-per-target rate was a career high.8. CHRISTIAN BENFORD, BUFFALO BILLSBenford’s 87.1 PFF coverage grade over the past two years ranks fourth in the NFL, while his PFF advanced coverage grade places sixth. Benford routinely maintains tight coverage and was the glue that held a porous Bills secondary together in 2024.He has allowed just 0.76 yards per cover snap and has missed only three tackles since 2023.9. JAIRE ALEXANDER, GREEN BAY PACKERSWhen healthy, Alexander is capable of contending to be the best cornerback in the NFL, but he hasn't completed a full season since 2019. Still, his 89.5 PFF coverage grade across the past three seasons is tied for second with Pat Surtain II.Alexander's PFF advanced coverage grade is good, but his missed time and the metric's cumulative nature mean he ranks just 21st over the past three seasons. 10. DENZEL WARD, CLEVELAND BROWNSWard is another player who has struggled to stay healthy but, when at full strength, is one of the best in the NFL.In 2024, Ward was on a torrid forced-incompletion-rate pace until he faded at the end of the season. He still led the NFL with 17 forced incompletions, and his 80.4 PFF coverage grade in man and zone-match coverage was tops in the NFL.Subscribe to PFF+ to unlock the world's most advanced football database!11. COOPER DEJEAN, PHILADELPHIA EAGLESThe highest-ranked rookie from 2024 on the list, DeJean was phenomenal for the Eagles in their Super Bowl run. He ranked second in PFF coverage grade from man and zone-match coverage in 2024 (76.7), third in PFF coverage grade (84.1) and 12th in PFF advanced coverage grade. He did not allow a touchdown on 97 targets.12. DEVON WITHERSPOON, SEATTLE SEAHAWKSWitherspoon placed 13th in PFF advanced coverage grade in 2024 and ranks eighth over the past two years. He has also been one of the best run-defending cornerbacks in the NFL. His 90.3 PFF run-defense grade over the past two seasons ranks second, contributing to his eighth-ranked 84.5 PFF overall grade.13. CHRISTIAN GONZALEZ, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTSAfter missing most of his rookie season due to injury, Gonzalez started the 2024 campaign slowly before catching fire in Week 4 against the 49ers. He played man coverage at a 50.1% rate last season and earned a 78.2 PFF coverage grade, which ranked ninth among cornerbacks.14. JALEN RAMSEY, MIAMI DOLPHINSThe Dolphins' trade for Ramsey likely hasn’t gone exactly how they hoped when they gave up a third-round pick and tight end Hunter Long in 2023, but he’s still been one of the most talented cornerbacks in the NFL.Ramsey ranked 25th in PFF advanced coverage grade and allowed just two touchdowns in coverage in 2024.15. CHARVARIUS WARD, INDIANAPOLIS COLTSAfter seeing his PFF coverage grade rise for five consecutive seasons, culminating in an 86.5 mark in 2023, Ward earned the lowest PFF coverage grade of his career in 2024 (58.2). He missed multiple games due to either injury or a personal matter, and the 49ers let him test free agency.Ward ranked fifth in 2022 and third in 2023 in PFF advanced coverage grade, so expect a bounce-back year for him in Indianapolis.16. QUINYON MITCHELL, PHILADELPHIA EAGLESThe top two rookie cornerbacks from 2024 were the Eagles' first two selections in the 2024 NFL Draft. Mitchell fared better than his teammate in PFF advanced coverage grade, ranking sixth, but placed ninth in PFF overall and standard coverage grades.Don’t be surprised if Mitchell contends for a top-five spot a year from now, as he finished the 2024 season with 15 forced incompletions (third most).17. JAMEL DEAN, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERSConsistency is highly valued in the NFL, and there might not be any cornerback more consistent year-to-year than Dean. His worst season resulted in a 72.5 PFF overall grade, while his best produced a 78.9 figure. He ranks 11th in PFF advanced coverage grade over the past two seasons and did not allow a touchdown in coverage in 2024.18. CARLTON DAVIS III, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTSDavis will be on his third team in three years but is coming off the second-highest-graded season of his career (72.1).Although Davis' 2024 campaign was cut short due to injury, his PFF advanced coverage gradeacross the past three seasons ranks 10th among cornerbacks. He’ll now form a formidable tandem with Christian Gonzalez in New England.19. RIQ WOOLEN, SEATTLE SEAHAWKSWoolen gets overlooked a bit in the discussion of top cornerbacks because he hasn’t replicated his rookie success after leading the NFL in interceptions (six), but his PFF advanced coverage grade across the past three years ranks 13th in the NFL. He has allowed just 0.72 yards per cover snap since 2023, the sixth-best rate at the position.Riq Woolen's Career PFF GradesSubscribe to PFF+ to unlock the world's most advanced football database!20. TARON JOHNSON, BUFFALO BILLSInjuries interrupted Johnson’s 2024 season, but his PFF advanced coverage grade across the past three years ranks fourth among cornerbacks. His 75.9 standard PFF coverage grade in the slot since 2023 places eighth, while his 38 pass stops rank fourth.21. DARIUS SLAY, PITTSBURGH STEELERSSlay bounced back from a poor 2023 season (65.4 PFF coverage grade, 83rd in PFF advanced coverage grade) with a 75.5 PFF coverage grade and a 17th-ranked PFF advanced coverage grade.The 34-year-old Slay’s best days are behind him, but as his 2022 and 2024 seasons showed, he still has great play left in the tank.22. GARRETT WILLIAMS, ARIZONA CARDINALSAfter struggling in his rookie season and missing more than half the year, resulting in a 57.2 PFF coverage grade, Williams was excellent in 2024 with an 83.7 PFF coverage grade (fourth best) and the seventh-best PFF advanced coverage grade.If he’s able to replicate his sophomore campaign in which he allowed 0.68 yards and the second-fewest yards in coverage, Williams could jump into the top 10.23. DEOMMODORE LENOIR, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERSLenoir’s first two NFL seasons yielded sub-60.0 PFF coverage grades, but his 2023 season represented a leap in performance to a 74.2 PFF coverage mark and a ninth-ranked PFF advanced coverage grade. His two-year PFF advanced coverage grade ranks ninth among cornerbacks.24. A.J. TERRELL, ATLANTA FALCONSTerrell places 16th in PFF advanced coverage grade across the past two years but hasn’t been able to match his incredible 2021 campaign in which he earned an 85.6 standard PFF coverage grade and allowed a minuscule 0.35 yards per cover snap.He has secured just three interceptions in the past three years but does well to prevent separation.25. JAYCEE HORN, CAROLINA PANTHERSHorn is talented but has struggled with injuries in the NFL. Despite being the league's second-highest-paid cornerback, Horn ranks only 23rd in PFF advanced coverage grade over the past three seasons and 23rd in standard PFF coverage grade (79.6) across the past two.26. JOEY PORTER JR., PITTSBURGH STEELERSPorter's 56.3 PFF coverage grade in 2024 doesn't look great, but his PFF advanced coverage grade is much better (21st across the past two seasons). Better on-ball production may be coming for the former first-round pick.27. TYSON CAMPBELL, JACKSONVILLE JAGUARSAnother cornerback who has struggled to stay healthy, Campbell has yet to mirror the success he had in 2022, when his 80.7 PFF coverage grade ranked seventh and his PFF advanced coverage grade placed fourth.If he can stay healthy, Campbell has the talent to be a top-10 player.28. JOURDAN LEWIS, JACKSONVILLE JAGUARSAfter spending eight seasons with the Dallas Cowboys, Lewis heads to Jacksonville fresh off the best year of his career (78.2 PFF coverage grade). He ranked eighth in PFF advanced coverage grade in 2024, though he’s had an up-and-down career playing out of the slot.29. BYRON MURPHY JR., MINNESOTA VIKINGSMurphy has turned a middling start to his career in Arizona into better play in Minnesota and is coming off a career year in 2024 (73.5 PFF coverage grade). His PFF advanced coverage grade in 2024 ranked 18th, as he’s not helped by the Vikings‘ boom-or-bust defense.30. KENNY MOORE II, INDIANAPOLIS COLTSMoore is one of the better slot cornerbacks in the NFL, ranking 18th in PFF advanced coverage grade and 21st in standard PFF coverage grade (77.6) over the past two years. He does well to limit separation but has allowed 11 touchdowns in that span, the fifth most in the league.Subscribe to PFF+ to unlock the world's most advanced football database!31. KAMARI LASSITER, HOUSTON TEXANSThere were several great rookie seasons in 2024, and Lassiter’s was arguably right behind those of Cooper DeJean and Quinyon Mitchell. He ranked third among rookies in PFF advanced coverage grade and 15th among all cornerbacks. He also led the NFL with a 45.2% completion rate allowed.32. DARON BLAND, DALLAS COWBOYSBland missed the first 10 games of the 2024 season due to injury after a 2023 campaign in which he broke the NFL record for pick-sixes. His PFF advanced coverage grade wasn’t great, even though his standard PFF coverage grade over the past two seasons ranks sixth.His 71.4 PFF coverage grade in 2024 was solid, but he failed to log an interception after his record-breaking season. 2025 should be a good indicator of whether Bland can continue his playmaking ways.
June 7, 20251 yr 26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:Yeah.... I missed it ...you were right on all season....lolYeah. The Texans made the situation picture clear. One team even signed both positions setting the market as highest paid.
June 7, 20251 yr 10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:Because it’s a key issue effecting us very much…in case you clearly haven’t been noticing.DeJean's contract is effecting us? Really?
June 7, 20251 yr 27 minutes ago, joemas6 said:Yeah.... I missed it ...you were right on all season....lolFangio had zero reason to come out at that point of the offseason to talk to the media.
June 7, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:Texans, Jags, Browns again, one other I forgetPanthers
June 7, 20251 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said:Fangio had zero reason to come out at that point of the offseason to talk to the media.But he clearly made his case for wanting DeJean to remain in the Slot.
June 7, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:Nobody jumping up to top three overall draft pick for a Slot CB.In the history of the NFL, how many CBs of any sort have been a top three pick.The exception does not make the rule.
June 7, 20251 yr 4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:You guys really struggle to understand and see how a couple less teams would raise the talent pool for each game and every team?Why are you bringing it up in 2025? A generation late???
June 7, 20251 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said:But he clearly made his case for wanting DeJean to remain in the Slot.Yet…not what happened. Plus look at how scripted the answers surrounding the situation are and were
June 7, 20251 yr Just now, mattwill said:In the history of the NFL, how many CBs of any sort have been a top three pick.The exception does not make the rule.So name all the top Slot CB high in the draft
June 7, 20251 yr 4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:Just real easy concept. If there were only ten NFL teams just imagine how good the games would be.Wow ... very not obvious 🙄
Create an account or sign in to comment