3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Wentz was a round 1 pick, so was Manziel, how did they work out. If Hurts retired and/ we were rebuilding I would be all for it, but that's not how the tea leaves read. Right now McKee is chomping at the bit to be a starter,but I believe even HE understands his body of work has been short and he would play for a team with lesser attributes than he has here. He wants to stay and he's a better BU than Foles was and certainly better than Pickett. We saw him do well (thats why pickett got the boot), but JMP I would have NP with McKee under center if he had to go the res of the way. McCord simply is not ready for trial by fire

When did McKee get the number of starts that Foles had prior to 2017?

When did McKee start a playoff game?

When did McKee go 27-2 with his TD-INT ratio?

McKee has yet to prove he's a better backup than Foles, even discounting the 2017 season.

10 hours ago, mattwill said:

Two reasons … (1) McKee’s lack of live snaps makes a 2026 1st Highly unlikely. A 2026 2nd is probably the ceiling. (2) A year’s delay typically means a one Round jump. So a 2026 2nd is equivalent to a 2027 1st.

2 reasons against your post.

First, the delay in one year doesn't necessarily translate from 2nd round to 1st round like it does the other rounds

Second, if he is worth a 1st round pick in any year, I think at the QB position, the other team should be willing to give it ...whichever year.

But most importantly, for the Eagles to give away their cheap option at back up QB for the next 2 seasons, they would be idiots to wait for 2027 compensation... not really a way to run a business

But you seem to be really focused on drafts that are 2 and 3 years away. Why is that?

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Wentz was a round 1 pick, so was Manziel, how did they work out. If Hurts retired and/ we were rebuilding I would be all for it, but that's not how the tea leaves read. Right now McKee is chomping at the bit to be a starter,but I believe even HE understands his body of work has been short and he would play for a team with lesser attributes than he has here. He wants to stay and he's a better BU than Foles was and certainly better than Pickett. We saw him do well (thats why pickett got the boot), but JMP I would have NP with McKee under center if he had to go the res of the way. McCord simply is not ready for trial by fire

Wentz worked out phenomenal... for the Eagles. 2nd year MVP level and Kelve credited for help changing the mentality... then getting all those assets in a trade. Really helpful in winning both SBs.

I think you need to get off planet Ham with all that left field thinking and just use the easy argument... the team is a contender...NOW... A 2027 pick doesn't help the next 2 seasons.

I think some of these " bloggers" are so set in constant GM mode... it's tough for them to understand the mindset of staying put and being a contender. Always, we need buy this or sell that.

A first round pick may absolutely be way more value than McKee os worth...im just not giving up 2 years before seeing anything in return. The bloggers don't seem ti understand the value of a backup QB that you get for minimum salary. That's usually a $5-10 mil position. Overall you need to look at our cap as part of it.

4 hours ago, mattwill said:

All good thoughts.

Having the second Round 1 pick wouldn't be until 2027 in this hypothetical scenario. For me, that would be a trenches pick ... more likely the Defensive trenches given this year's loading up with Hinton, Williams, Pierce, Tate and Kendall in April. You can never have too many Cornerbacks, so adding another Q in 2027 would not be a bad outcome.

If he got a 1st Round pick for McKee, Howie would be looking for a one year rental experienced QB, with the thought that McCord wouldn't be ready to be QB2 this season. Cousins from Atlanta could be an interesting pickup.

Wow...you are already thinking about a 2027 draft pick.... again my point....it's tough for some people to understand th3 position of being a contender and staying put. Already designating a draft pick 2 years from now... it's a little obsessive and silly. 2 seasons are going to be played before then.....as contenders. Lots of stuff can change.

4 hours ago, mattwill said:

All good thoughts.

Having the second Round 1 pick wouldn't be until 2027 in this hypothetical scenario. For me, that would be a trenches pick ... more likely the Defensive trenches given this year's loading up with Hinton, Williams, Pierce, Tate and Kendall in April. You can never have too many Cornerbacks, so adding another Q in 2027 would not be a bad outcome.

If he got a 1st Round pick for McKee, Howie would be looking for a one year rental experienced QB, with the thought that McCord wouldn't be ready to be QB2 this season. Cousins from Atlanta could be an interesting pickup.

Salary cap implications

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

they would be idiots to wait for 2027 compensation... not really a way to run a business

But you seem to be really focused on drafts that are 2 and 3 years away. Why is that?

The answer to that is really simple … building the replenishment pipeline.

That objective is currently well in hand for 2026 with 13 picks in addition to a current starting roster that is almost all under contract for at least two years. So, adding more 2026 picks is (almost) counterproductive. Setting up future drafts with the resources to bring in the next generation when the current roster contracts reach their end and some of the players follow Milton and Josh and Isaiah as FA departures or BG as retirements.

Achieving that end result doesn’t happen overnight. It takes forethought and proactivity. It also takes trading partners who value what they are getting more than the cost of what they are giving up. It is easy to undervalue future picks, and then regret what you have given up when that future becomes the present.

He may come down to earth at sometime in the coming years, but arming Howie with draft picks has been a gold mine. Riding (and feeding) that winning hand just makes sense.

It also is consistent with the product life cycle knowledge shared by business schools when they describe the successes of great companies in business.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Wow...you are already thinking about a 2027 draft pick.... again my point....it's tough for some people to understand th3 position of being a contender and staying put. Already designating a draft pick 2 years from now... it's a little obsessive and silly. 2 seasons are going to be played before then.....as contenders. Lots of stuff can change.

You are approaching your thought process as an either/or choice. I believe it is both/and rather than either/or. This team is going to be a powerful contender no matter who QB2 is.

Further, if you could buy a 1st Round pick for $5 million, how quickly would you write the check?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Salary cap implications

Salary cap implications go out the window if you can (effectively) purchase an additional 1st Round pick for $5 million.

25 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Like Foles he's not going to get that unless Hurts(see Wentz) goes down for an extended time. McKee looked plenty fine when he played his one game, so that question becomes moot until Hurts goes out(which I hope doesn't happen). McKee has a better squad than Foles ever had. So there is no way to tell, but McKee looks alot better than Foles did. Foles was a game manager like Hurts, with McKee your passing game opens up quite a bit

Foles got it early in his career, long before Wentz was ever drafted. You are correct that McKee won't get the opportunity that Foles did back in 2013 without an injury to the starter... but to put McKee higher than Foles is a case of putting the cart before the horse. You can project it as a possibility, but you cannot say that McKee's actual play can match what Foles did here in 2013 and 2014. The squad around McKee, were he to be called upon, being better than the surrounding cast Foles had actually works against your argument. And calling Foles a game manager.... yeah, ok. I don't think you remember what Foles did here. QBs don't go 27-2 as a game manager, nor do they throw 7 TDs in a single game as a game manager. Nor do they out duel Tom Brady in the Super Bowl... as a game manager.

45 career passing attempts, in just over 5 quarters of play against 2 of the worst pass defenses in the NFL last year in garbage time, when neither had anything to play for.

22 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Tanner went 4-0. If you extended that out it would be 28-0. We all know picks happen, still he is comparable or better on the stat page and I see no reason he would "chicken out" in a playoff game

You do understand that you can't extrapolate stats like that and get any kind of meaningful information from it, especially considering the caliber of opponent that McKee faced in those 5+ quarters of NFL football he played.

No one said that he'd "chicken out" in a playoff game, but you can't say that he'll rise to the moment either. Even prior to 2017 season, Foles had a playoff start and came off the field the final time with the lead against the Saints. Sadly, the defense allowed the Saints to run out the clock and get the winning FG in the final 5 minutes. But, we've never seen McKee play from behind in an NFL game. That's a very different thing, let alone in the playoffs. McKee's never done it. We don't know how he'll perform in a moment like that. We can pretend we know, or believe that we can project how he'd handle it... but no one knows, not even him, until he faces that obstacle.

28 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well in any case, we know Howie will figure it out. McKee is rolling and I see no reason to nip that in the bud. Not too worried about it at this point. Let's get through the season hopefully unscathed

I’m greedy, a trait shared by the Blog posters who responded, and want the current season result to be another SB win AND the future to avoid a crash. The only way to avoid that crash is to arm Howie with replacement resources.

All the above is just my opinion. I’m not saying my opinion is right, and I respect the win-now perspective you and Joe and Ham have articulated. I’m just greedy enough (and a 77 years, old enough) to want my cake and eat it too.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why is it either or? Why can't we win now and keep that going through the draft and acqusitions. We lost ALOT of top notch players,but here we are contending like nothing happened

We can, but not with just the standard seven picks per year. Look at the current roster. So many of the players were added through acquired picks.

One of the keys to Howie’s success in the Draft is the leverage he has had thanks to the additional picks he has gone into the Draft with.

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts does,except on the ground. Both are GAME MANAGERS IMO. neither would qualify for the "air Coryelle" award

Are there really only two types of QBs … Air Coryell or Game Manager?

What type of QB is Lamar Jackson?

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well so far he is keeping that going and I really see no reason that won't continue. 7 picks a year is enough if you get the right players. We retain players for less because they CHOOSE to play here as most FA"s would also. So we're on top of the food chain ATM

You and I will have to agree to disagree that the standard seven picks is enough. If Howie was playing only with the standard seven, we wouldn’t have Jalen Carter, or Slim Reaper, or Cooper DeJean just to name a few players.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Those are the spectrum ends, most fall between those. Jackson is a gifted runner AND passer

Is being a gifted runner an Air Coryell trait or a Game Manager trait?

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You do understand he played with the 2's and still put up big numbers vs the opponents 1's. Foles never had to play with the 2's in meaningful games. I'm not bashing Foles, he pulled off the impossible(with help from the D). I merely believe if McKee played with the 1's there would be no drop off in production. Different play calls for him since Hurts legs would be gone for sure. But he scored with Dotson as his #1. Put him in with AJ,Smitty and the rest of the 1's and I see NP at all

McKee hasn't had to play in meaningful games at all yet... so its all projection. Have at it.

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I agree 7 is not enough if you are .500 team, but we re-signed those guys that matter. 7 picks is enough to replace them 1 by one over the span of a few years. We even have some UDFA's that make this squad Assuming you draft correctly in rounds 1,2,3 you can't replace enough guys? How many guy retire every year. of course having more than 7 is always better, but how often do we see Howie trading DOWN? Those 7 picks can turn into 8,9,10. Howie rarely stays put

This year we saw him trade back and take round 5 guys. He got the 2 he wanted and hit the FA market for others

So,IMO 7 picks is enough and you hit the FA market like Howie does and it's fine, but normally those 7 picks turn into more anyhow

21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

We can, but not with just the standard seven picks per year. Look at the current roster. So many of the players were added through acquired picks.

One of the keys to Howie’s success in the Draft is the leverage he has had thanks to the additional picks he has gone into the Draft with.

Sure,how we got AJ and we snapped up Dotson. So 7 draft picks should be enough along with your FA acquisitions. Remember long ago when the draft was more than 7 rounds?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36180094/when-did-nfl-draft-change-seven-rounds FWIW

28 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I agree 7 is not enough if you are .500 team, but we re-signed those guys that matter. 7 picks is enough to replace them 1 by one over the span of a few years. We even have some UDFA's that make this squad Assuming you draft correctly in rounds 1,2,3 you can't replace enough guys? How many guy retire every year. of course having more than 7 is always better, but how often do we see Howie trading DOWN? Those 7 picks can turn into 8,9,10. Howie rarely stays put

I agree that in 2026 seven picks is enough. But 2026 is not a "normal” year. Look at the expiring contracts list for after the 2026 season and after the 2027 season. The number of players is high and the leverage of the positions of those players is high. There will be Williams/Sweat/Rodgers departures from that list, and expecting rookies to plug and play like Mitchell and DeJean and Hunt did is very optimistic. Proactivity is what will reduce the pain from those transitions.

JMO

30 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So,IMO 7 picks is enough and you hit the FA market like Howie does and it's fine, but normally those 7 picks turn into more anyhow

We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I agree that in 2026 seven picks is enough. But 2026 is not a "normal” year. Look at the expiring contracts list for after the 2026 season and after the 2027 season. The number of players is high and the leverage of the positions of those players is high. There will be Williams/Sweat/Rodgers departures from that list, and expecting rookies to plug and play like Mitchell and DeJean and Hunt did is very optimistic. Proactivity is what will reduce the pain from those transitions.

JMO

Howie will be on it, Not too worried

10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

Welp 7 is by NFL rules,so teams have to deal with it,but as I said Howie usually turns those 7 into 8,9,10,so it's not 7 anyhow

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