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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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Rosie hard balling Ceedy Duce in 2023. Was that a player choice issue? Or contract issue? 31st ranked pass D that pretty desperately needed a S. Rosie attempted to sign the player. So player choice was there. But money and contract was reasoning Rosie failed to retain Ceedy Duce. Turned and paid Over the Hill Bradberry even more instead to ice off the Fail Cake Rosie made on that one. All kinds of player choice and contract intertwining going on just in this one example.

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How do you think Rosie chooses players? Contracts and money play a key role.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

How do you think Rosie chooses players? Contracts and money play a key role.

So being limited….forces some bad player choices…because he reaches for the older mid vet so much cheaper than the top guy on the market at the position. It’s all a balance. Money going to this guy….means it won’t be going somewhere else.

The top contracts actually aren’t as challenging in most ways to sign. I believe what’s so very key is those high paid..but not top dollar elite contracts. That’s where you need to get that wiggle room for the overall roster. Why I brought up Jordan Davis contract situation. Cam Jurgens type contracts fit as well.

15 hours ago, joemas6 said:

That's not how it works....you don't get the business side.

It really could…and can. Main reason you don’t see it occurring revolves around GMs not enjoying job security. Rosie in a fairly unique situation where he could afford that luxury.

15 hours ago, joemas6 said:

That's not how it works....you don't get the business side.

Go down the list of contending teams most every season for decades. It’s extremely common business practice in fact.

15 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I want this " problem " every year... we should be cutting NFL level players because they weren't good enough to make our roster... much better than being in a position to struggle to fill up your practice squad or 53 with NFL level players.

We should be cutting quality players for a few years .. especially with all these drafts picks.

Are you really agreeing with this assessment? Who are we talking about cutting that’s of such quality? Heck…even NFL level even hardly(proven anyway)?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Are you really agreeing with this assessment? Who are we talking about cutting that’s of such quality? Heck…even NFL level even hardly(proven anyway)?

We have a good team. Good depth. Some quality prospects with potential. I’ll volunteer at S probably cutting a quality player. Not really sure who anybody would be talking about much otherwise.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

McLaurin isn't a top 5 WR BECAUSE he doesn't have a QB!! Daniels will grow into one.....in time

He just isn’t a top 5 WR. Daniels was absolutely fantastic. He’s had several QBs. He’ll never be a top five WR…ever. He just isn’t at that tier and level. Are you really going to make a case that any QB turns McLauren into a better WR than AJ?

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

McLaurin isn't a top 5 WR BECAUSE he doesn't have a QB!! Daniels will grow into one.....in time

Please list your top ten WR list. Believe once you actually do this….it becomes very very clear….McLauren isn’t at those guys level…never could or can be.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

WHY are we freaking BACK to 2021 again? Why are you obsessed with 2021?

It really was more about 2020. But…2020…had huge effects on 2021. Just no way to blindly ignore this situation.

5 hours ago, Crazy Legs said:

Precisely the response I was hoping for.

Re TE: I do believe the Eagles overall record and stats reflect an improvement when Goedert is active. He obviously is in jeapardy for next season.

As a fan, I hope a compromise can be achieved, as I don't see any good alternatives on the immediate horizon.

Warren (PSU) caught my interest as the season progresed, but his stock went thru the roof.

Facts are we don’t rely on TE massively. Goedert isn’t much of a Red Zone TE either. Just consistently missing a few games every season. We are overpaying him right now. This will be his last season here. He’s a good all around TE. Not trying to just dog him out. Understand Rosie slapped this band aid on for this season with Goedert. No problem with the move that was made.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We tend to like TE's that can block with catching as a secondary trait. Alot of teams will take catch only TE's and use them as offensive weapons only(see Pitts for example). it's difficult to find TE's that are 100% great at both(see Gronk).It seems to me as though colleges are not focusing on teaching blocking, so most of the TE's you see coming out ALL need taught on blocking techniques Of course there are a few exceptions as always, but that's what I am seeing. So really any drafted TE we take we would need to see that have the POTENTIAL and the willingness to learn how to block effectively. The LSU TE(Mason) was a good example also. LSU really focuses on route running for all their receivers including TE, but once again, he will need to be taught how to block,if his team even asks him to do it. So we need to find a kid that has blended upside in both areas. Since most are "either/or" you can only guess/predict how far they can go on their "minor" trait. Howie is giving alot of TE's a shot in camp,some newbies and some that have experience, but somehow became afterthoughts on their team. The kid from the Raiders should have a nice chip on his shoulders. I hope we exploit that. We shall see. I will admit I was a bit surprised we didn't take a TE in round 3 last draft. But apparently the scouts didn't see any worth banging the table over

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We tend to like TE's that can block with catching as a secondary trait. Alot of teams will take catch only TE's and use them as offensive weapons only(see Pitts for example). it's difficult to find TE's that are 100% great at both(see Gronk).It seems to me as though colleges are not focusing on teaching blocking, so most of the TE's you see coming out ALL need taught on blocking techniques Of course there are a few exceptions as always, but that's what I am seeing. So really any drafted TE we take we would need to see that have the POTENTIAL and the willingness to learn how to block effectively. The LSU TE(Mason) was a good example also. LSU really focuses on route running for all their receivers including TE, but once again, he will need to be taught how to block,if his team even asks him to do it. So we need to find a kid that has blended upside in both areas. Since most are "either/or" you can only guess/predict how far they can go on their "minor" trait. Howie is giving alot of TE's a shot in camp,some newbies and some that have experience, but somehow became afterthoughts on their team. The kid from the Raiders should have a nice chip on his shoulders. I hope we exploit that. We shall see. I will admit I was a bit surprised we didn't take a TE in round 3 last draft. But apparently the scouts didn't see any worth banging the table over

First…by we tend to like a certain TE. So are you agreeing with me it’s Siri’s O? Otherwise by all your previous shared thoughts this would be the first season in Patullo’s O.

Second….clearly pass catching is what is valued the most for TEs. Top notch blocking TEs aren’t drafted early. It’s all these receiving TEs. Over and over …every year. Receiving from TEs is what gets paid in the NFL also. Just the way things are.

Goedert was inherited by Siri….or if anybody actually believes..Patullo. So really not much at all to base things on for either coach. One TE…who was already here before they got here.

Big picture plan I’m liking at TE from Rosie here. Goedert and Calc…..either could possibly be retained for the future. But there is a future need at the position. So Rosie went hard at the positions depth to try and uncover that future need…on the cheap.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

WOW are you really this thick? As I STATED most other teams draft THEIR TE's as basically big WR's, WE DO NOT

Who thinks this way? Patullo? Siri? What are you basing this opinion on for either?

16 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Problem with you is you want EVERY top guy on the market. That CANNOT be done. If you can do it better than Howie,you need to go bang on Luries door

My statement was clearly stating that roster building revolves around the fact you can’t do that at all. Terrible comprehension from you. You have to make choices. Quality of player versus contract details.

17 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who gives a ish about 5 years ago?

Seems like the two people that were discussing it do. If you don’t give an ish…why even reply then? Nothing productive about your response…just attempted trolling.

19 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Problem with you is you want EVERY top guy on the market. That CANNOT be done. If you can do it better than Howie,you need to go bang on Luries door

Rosie has done a fantastic job overall. But I feel pretty darn solid about my track record I’ve laid out over so many years. Don’t really know what world you live in where anybody is free of criticism and mistakes. Just being Human….for those of us that can see Saturn.

21 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

List yours, then tell me who their QB's are/were to get them to that status

McLauren is very quality…but he’ll never sniff the elite top five.

Ja’Marr Chase

Ceedee Lamb

AJ Brown

Tyreek Hill

Justin Jefferson

Amon St Brown

Malik Nabers

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

McLauren is very quality…but he’ll never sniff the elite top five.

Ja’Marr Chase

Ceedee Lamb

AJ Brown

Tyreek Hill

Justin Jefferson

Amon St Brown

Malik Nabers

Daniels was dynamite…rookie year or not. He didn’t play like a rookie. Frankly…what is it you are looking for Daniels to do so much better?

I wouldn’t trade Smitty for McLauren. For whatever that’s worth. Don’t feel like I’m tearing McLaraun down either…those top WR in today’s game are the best the game has ever seen.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

McLauren is very quality…but he’ll never sniff the elite top five.

Ja’Marr Chase

Ceedee Lamb

AJ Brown

Tyreek Hill

Justin Jefferson

Amon St Brown

Malik Nabers

Made this list just off the top of my head. Probably forgetting somebody. Whole different level of player than McLareun.

29 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

List yours, then tell me who their QB's are/were to get them to that status

Numerous QBs all these WR have dealt with. You picked a bad argument on this one. Your boy Dan Marino couldn’t lift McLauren above Jefferson and this crew. Jefferson really never has enjoyed a season that McLauren just had with Daniels at QB…EVER.

37 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Problem with you is you want EVERY top guy on the market. That CANNOT be done. If you can do it better than Howie,you need to go bang on Luries door

You missed everything I said. I exactly was discussing how it’s a balancing act. Not even sure how you got to the place where you responded with this comment after what I JUST EXACTLY STATED.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

That is an interesting take. Why do you think it’s going to be that way?

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