2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Your obsession with generating Offensive points ignores three key realities (1) points margin does not figure anywhere into the NFL standings. (2) the Eagles had the second largest scoring margin in the NFL 10.9 points per game, behind only the Lions at 11.6. Increasing it gains nothing. (3) opponents really hate and remember teams that run up the score. Why piss off the rest of the League?

See you are blinded by whatever it is personnel you are thinking with me on so much. That’s not anything I’ve been talking about. Running up the points? See..ok…yes…I believe we should run up the points…but not in the manner you seem to be stuck limited to consider. Not about running up the shore in garbage time. Not talking about that. But am stating running up the score…as in…unleash the O potential. Right from the start of the game. Believe unleashing the potential of this O makes us just as difficult to beat any given Sunday….in fact…even more difficult to just stay competitive with us.

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not so sure the Players Union can stop him on this though.

Why do you say that. The CBA is an agreement between the Players Union and the League. No CBA and there is no season.

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Thing is he actually doesn’t even need to win the battle. Think he might have a way he can take Void years away with the league office powers. Then the NFLPA could fight it. But really Goodell just needs to get us for a couple of seasons.

What reason do you have to think that? Do you understand collective bargaining? The NFL can’t unilaterally change the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Any change has to be mutually agreed to and signed by both parties.

The core I’ve been steadfast on with my wishes concerning how the O is run: reality just simple…always feel versatility makes you the strongest and best version of yourself. Which is really what I felt we were getting to at the end. What D can handle us if we have the rushing game chugging full steam, AJ and Smitty creating problems….with just adding almost anything else to that. YAC Creation plays I’ve clearly focused in on as easy example. Pick plays.

Gotta remember we were the worst first quarter scoring team last season. A key detail factors in on both sides of the discussion really.

13 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Same three points as I listed above. Why do it? What does it improve?

I think it does improve things versus holding the O back

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See you are blinded by whatever it is personnel you are thinking with me on so much. That’s not anything I’ve been talking about. Running up the points? See..ok…yes…I believe we should run up the points…but not in the manner you seem to be stuck limited to consider. Not about running up the shore in garbage time. Not talking about that. But am stating running up the score…as in…unleash the O potential. Right from the start of the game. Believe unleashing the potential of this O makes us just as difficult to beat any given Sunday….in fact…even more difficult to just stay competitive with us.

Points on the scoreboard are points on the scoreboard regardless of what period they are scored in. Do you think the Chiefs felt the Eagles were running up the score with the Dagger?

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Absolutely. The players aren’t currently in the targets game. It is the other owners and the Commissioner that appear to have it out for the Eagles. But running up the score is a direct affront to the players. Unnecessarily getting the players invested in the targets game is a fool’s errand.

You still are stuck limited to only considering running up the score in garbage time. That’s not what I’ve been saying or talking about though. Starts in the first quarter….my thoughts I’m sharing. You need to step back and just open up your horizons so much more. What happened in the SB and NFC Championship games? Exactly what I was talking about the entire time. Not like I have to try and just create some fictional version of a game scenario to explain my pony any longer.

IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!!! We didn’t do it by running up the score either….actually took out starters at the end.

That’s where I don’t get how you can’t understand this anymore.

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think it does improve things versus holding the O back

You continue to ignore the cost. In addition moving back to a passing centric Offense increases turnover risk, as well as increasing the frequency of third and long situations and decreasing the length of clock bleeding offensive drives.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You still are stuck limited to only considering running up the score in garbage time. That’s not what I’ve been saying or talking about though. Starts in the first quarter….my thoughts I’m sharing. You need to step back and just open up your horizons so much more. What happened in the SB and NFC Championship games? Exactly what I was talking about the entire time. Not like I have to try and just create some fictional version of a game scenario to explain my pony any longer.

IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!!! We didn’t do it by running up the score either….actually took out starters at the end.

That’s where I don’t get how you can’t understand this anymore.

You don’t think the Commanders players felt the Eagles ran up the score? You don’t think the Chiefs players felt the Dagger wasn’t running up the score?

31 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Your obsession with generating Offensive points ignores three key realities (1) points margin does not figure anywhere into the NFL standings. (2) the Eagles had the second largest scoring margin in the NFL 10.9 points per game, behind only the Lions at 11.6. Increasing it gains nothing. (3) opponents really hate and remember teams that run up the score. Why piss off the rest of the League?

See things might be different if we really needed to protect our D. But with our D what are you so worried about?

To me…anywhere near maximizing our O would have us in elite All Time team conversations. Most all pieces are in place to where it could have been a reality. But O coaching situation killed any chance at making that.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You don’t think the Commanders players felt the Eagles ran up the score? You don’t think the Chiefs players felt the Dagger wasn’t running up the score?

No…I don’t. Actually what the heck are you even talking about?

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

You…yourself….just posted this sound bite from the Chiefs sideline.

To be frank, I don’t even think you should include the SB in any discussions about running up the score anyway. The biggest game in the land…supposedly versus the best. SB you should lay everything you got down. You should run up the score as much as you can in the SB. Totally different situation than any other game. SB is pinnacle. You should lay down everything you can for that SB history. The championship game is all time NFL history….team and individual. How many years will team and players SB production be talked about and relevant? Feels like eternity in this moment.

It’s the SB…there should be no calling off the dogs in that particular historical moment. Do everything you can…in every way.

Clearly we didn’t run up the score on the Chiefs though…we benched our starters…in the freaking SB. That’s exactly and all I’ve been suggesting the entire time. Run up the score from the beggining…just unleash our potential is all….not talking padding stats in garbage time. But…if I was talking about padding stats in garbage time? It would be in the SB. I have no problem with it in that game. Supposed to be a matchup between the best of the best…for all the marbles…no such thing as running up the score too much there. Not like humiliating the Browns or something week 3. Why call off the dogs in the SB? Pay everything you’ve got on the field in the ultimate game. If the opponent can’t complete? That’s a ‘They problem.”

23 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You continue to ignore the cost. In addition moving back to a passing centric Offense increases turnover risk, as well as increasing the frequency of third and long situations and decreasing the length of clock bleeding offensive drives.

I’m fine with trading off a turnover while we score a couple more TDs. Works for me. Going to AJ just really feels like more of a good call…than too risky.

25 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You continue to ignore the cost. In addition moving back to a passing centric Offense increases turnover risk, as well as increasing the frequency of third and long situations and decreasing the length of clock bleeding offensive drives.

Converting first downs rushing or passing you still can control and run the clock.

26 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You continue to ignore the cost. In addition moving back to a passing centric Offense increases turnover risk, as well as increasing the frequency of third and long situations and decreasing the length of clock bleeding offensive drives.

You continue to ignore the benefits. How many teams are capable of just flat out keep up with us? I know it’s very difficult for you to wrap your head around…Because hey…what happened worked…enough anyway. But doesn’t mean the alternative wouldn’t have worked. Put up 50 points…with the D we possess. Feels like that’s actually a less risky situation to me.

Just because something was ‘enough’…doesn’t equate to ‘best’. In fact…feel like my point was exactly proven correct finally when we needed it at the end. We did it what I was/am suggesting right there in the NFC Championship game and SB. Who was beating us playing like we were in those two games? Just doing exactly what I was suggesting. Felt like the best version of our team to me.

32 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You continue to ignore the cost. In addition moving back to a passing centric Offense increases turnover risk, as well as increasing the frequency of third and long situations and decreasing the length of clock bleeding offensive drives.

You feel a little stuck like Siri here. Don’t coach and think..‘don’t make mistakes’…don’t throw interceptions.’ Coach what’s the right way to attack and achieve greatness. Don’t play focused so much on ‘don’t lose.’ Focus on determined you can’t be beat and will win.

33 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No…I don’t. Actually what the heck are you even talking about?

You…yourself….just posted this sound bite from the Chiefs sideline.

If that isn’t demoralization from running up the score, then I don’t know what is. You don’t think the SB beatdown isn’t generously going to be plastered on the locker room walls leading up to Week Two this season? The Eagles embarrassed the Chiefs players and they are mad as hell about it.

42 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To me…anywhere near maximizing our O would have us in elite All Time team conversations. Most all pieces are in place to where it could have been a reality. But O coaching situation killed any chance at making that.

Discussions of elite all time teams are a waste of time. There is no way to intelligently compare the current Eagles team with Lombardi’s Packers of the 60s, or Noll’s Steelers, or Johnson’s Cowboys, or Walsh’s Niners. Brady’s Patriots are at least in a comparable era, and to be in the same conversation as their six Super Bowl wins, we have a long way to go.

38 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To be frank, I don’t even think you should include the SB in any discussions about running up the score anyway. The biggest game in the land…supposedly versus the best. SB you should lay everything you got down. You should run up the score as much as you can in the SB. Totally different situation than any other game. SB is pinnacle. You should lay down everything you can for that SB history. The championship game is all time NFL history….team and individual. How many years will team and players SB production be talked about and relevant? Feels like eternity in this moment.

It’s the SB…there should be no calling off the dogs in that particular historical moment. Do everything you can…in every way.

You are way, way, way into testosterone overload. You should make an appointment with your endocrinologist.

32 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Converting first downs rushing or passing you still can control and run the clock.

But as Andy Reid demonstrated over and over and over again as the Eagles coach, a passing-centric Offense works well in the regular season , but Defenses get much tougher in the Playoffs, and you end up with an Offense like the Chiefs had in SB59.

32 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You continue to ignore the benefits. How many teams are capable of just flat out keep up with us? I know it’s very difficult for you to wrap your head around…Because hey…what happened worked…enough anyway. But doesn’t mean the alternative wouldn’t have worked. Put up 50 points…with the D we possess. Feels like that’s actually a less risky situation to me.

The first four games of 2024 are ample evidence of the downside risk of a passing-centric game plan. You are forcing you O-Line to take their first step backwards when the ball is snapped instead of firing out and laying the wood on the defenders. That isn’t playing to your strengths. It is letting the opposing D-Line lay the wood on you.

About a week ago I reposted here in this thread a question that a Blogger asked the Blog. You never answered that question, so I’ll ask it again. Who do you think is more important, the Quarterback or the Offensive Line?