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16 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I don't see any this year. McKee earned his 2 spot. Pickett showed enough he was tradable. Mccord was a great snag, kid has talent like McKee had. Either could have trade value NEXT year. The "QB factory" is still churning them out

That’s what I was saying…Pickett was this year.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What are we doing at backup QB in our attempt to be repeat champion season? Should have kept Pickett…if you were trading McKee.

Reading is fundamental Ham. McKee was one of the answers to what question?

Once you have that answer you will know how misinformed your question above is.

You can do better. Recounting to ten before you send your replies.

40 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Guys that could have trade value:

A typical way things can play out every season is …a rookie or other player steps up and proves themselves. Makes the vet or competition expendable.

Agreed. That is why I added the comment about the UDFA Toledo Safety to my trade value comment above. If he shines like Blankenship did as a UDFA, then Brown and Cine and McCollum and Sam all become expendable for the right price. Your core Safeties going forward in that scenario are an extended Blankenship plus rookie Mukuba and rookie Hook plus whichever ones of Brown, Cine, McCollum, Sam who aren’t traded. Sam probably goes to the Practice Squad in any case.

36 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s what I was saying…Pickett was this year.

You are getting lost in a "who should we trade” blind alley rather than the "which players have trade value” alley.

To be clear, I have almost zero percent interest in trading McKee this season. But for the purposes of hypothetical dialogue in these dead days (I emphasize hypothetical), if you were offered a 2027 1st Round pick for McKee, would you take it?

An interesting set of thoughts regarding our Safeties situation. I didn’t see this post prior to posting my thoughts about the trade value possibilities at Safety. It presents information that make a Mukuba - Blankenship Safety duo somewhat unlikely … if @BigEFly’s assessment is correct.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Mukuba seems more FS than SS. Because of his instincts but impacted by his speed, Reed plays more FS than SS. (Like Q, he tends towards the weak side of the line.) I think Brown was drafted to replace CJGJ (SS) and Mukuba as insurance against Reed (FS) pricing himself out of Philly. While the Fangio defense uses interchangeable Ss in that to start a play they usually show both aligned, they still align initially weak side and strong side. I am not suggesting that Mukuba sits all year, but rather that was the initial draft focus by Howie. That said, given that most Ss take some seasoning (Dawk didn’t play immediately), unless Mukuba plays lights out in the PS and Brown really craps the bed, I expect the starters to be Brown and Reed to start the season. That said, I take Fangio’s throwing McCollum’s name in the mix seriously. Brown doesn’t only have to outplay Mukuba, he has to outplay McCollum. (How Cine fits is still an unknown and we also don’t know what Woods and Hook bring to the table). Wild card is how Q’s familiarity with the D and with Hook impacts Hook’s play. I suspect for the positive. Last gasp for Castro-Fields, and I question if he makes it to the PS. As usual, I will be watching the DBs in TC/PS.

I think I am going to be pleasantly surprised by McWilliams play at corner.

One thing to note is Reed’s speed is a bit of an outlier for this secondary but like Edwards showed, the instincts tend to make up for straight line speed. There was a clip from OTAs of Reed running a reaction movement drill with DeJean and he had a step and a half on Cooper at reaction although by the end of the clip, DeJean was catching up.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Adoree possibly. He’s competing for a starting job right now though

Who would be the "rookie or other player who steps up” that would make Adoree expendable?

5 hours ago, mattwill said:

The Day Three 2027 or 2028 picks (if realized) would be for players who are not going to make the 53-man roster. The McKee answer was to the "what players have trade value” question. So, you and I are in complete agreement that McKee’s value is much better than Day Three.

With that said, I have two questions for you. (1) given the choice would you prefer a 2026 2nd Round pick or a 2027 1st Round pick for McKee? and (2) would adding a 2026 2nd Round pick be desirable given the 13 2026 picks Howie already has?

I always prefer the 1st round pick, so much more value. I wouldn't trade McKee this year... he is the #2 QB ... we have a contending team, he is too valuable to trade this year. Our 2026 picks don't really enter my mind for McKee.

We traded Pickett due to McKee.... I believe we keep him all 4 years and get a 2028 comp pick for him.

5 hours ago, mattwill said:

The expansion of the Practice Squads and the liberalization of their usage is indeed a factor; however, I believe that affects different players differently. For example, I don’t see it affecting players like Keegan and Kinnard as much as it might affect a player like Toth. The older the journeyman player is the less likely he is going to have trade value, while simultaneously having Practice Squad value for the Eagles. Gates was a perfect example of this last year.

Further, Practice Squad only happens if (1) the player clears waivers, and (2) the player chooses to sign a Practice Squad contract with the Eagles. Some of the players who may end up being cut on cutdown day may not make it to the Eagles PS because the of (1) or (2). As a result Howie may choose to pursue telephone alternatives for those players rather than letting them go for nothing the way Dylan McMahon did two years ago.

I believe Howie ALWAYS pursues the telephone... I just don't think it's probable to get a late round pick... for a guy they think we will cut. I believe a player for player with a possible pick swap would be the result. It takes two to tango... I don't believe McMahon was just cut last year, I'm absolutely thinking their were calls made.

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

To be clear, I have almost zero percent interest in trading McKee this season. But for the purposes of hypothetical dialogue in these dead days (I emphasize hypothetical), if you were offered a 2027 1st Round pick for McKee, would you take it?

Why not a 2026 1st round pick?

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Uche. Ojulari. If we cut him..do we get that comp pick back? Can throw out several of these Oline depth players. Let’s see which guys step up and how.

That is a good question.

51 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Why not a 2026 1st round pick?

Two reasons … (1) McKee’s lack of live snaps makes a 2026 1st Highly unlikely. A 2026 2nd is probably the ceiling. (2) A year’s delay typically means a one Round jump. So a 2026 2nd is equivalent to a 2027 1st.

Interestingly, the three opinions here are 100% against making the McGee for a 2027 1st trade, while the nine Blog members who voted were 100% in favor of making that trade.

Different strokes for different folks.

6 hours ago, mattwill said:

To be clear, I have almost zero percent interest in trading Tanner McKee this season. But for the purposes of hypothetical dialogue in these dead days (I emphasize hypothetical), if you were offered a 2027 1st Round pick for McKee, would you take it?

5 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

Immediately

5 hours ago, brkmsn said:

It would be as idiotic not to take the pick as it would be to offer a 1st rd pick for him solely based on a couple years of preseason showings.

I mean, I'm sure there is still the occasional Eagles fan that just doesn't like the Hurts style QB that is somehow hoping for some "pocket passer" to overtake him, but that is so unrealistic. We have our franchise QB. He's the respected leader of the team and the main element of culture this team is being built around. There is no backup QB that is more valuable to us than a 1st rd pick.

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes.

4 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Easily, yes

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I would probably feel guilty and ask you to reconsider

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

You keep developing the young guys and if the confidence is low, there will be vets available you can sign (or trade for) later. If for some reason there's a major injury to Hurts early, that's something the team will do for sure.

3 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Why not? Hurts goes down we are probably hosed anyway

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Interestingly, the three opinions here are 100% against making the McGee for a 2027 1st trade, while the nine Blog members who voted were 100% in favor of making that trade.

Different strokes for different folks.

OK I will add another layer. If you had multiple round 1 picks, what positions do you plan on taking with them? It would give you major leverage to gather a load of later picks, but really with some of the talent we will lost in cuts, how many picks are too many? I suppose you could use one on a round 1 QB,but if you did that you would think he starts by year 2? not to mention you run back into a Wentz debacle and Hurts was only a round 2 pick. I would find that very disruptive to what we have built. I believe it's too early to have challenges to Hurts #1 status. I just don't like that from the culture standpoint. Your round 1 pick QB. Our skill positions are in good shape and choosing any of those with a round 1 tosses a wrench into their respective rooms keeping a round 1 talent riding pine is not the best use of draft capital. McKee could be a one here with more snap time, but that won't happen if Hurts stays upright. If we traded McKee, then you are counting on McCord to be where McKee already is and I don't see that at all at this point. So for a 1 trade we would have Hurt,McCord and the new pick,but do you think a our #1QB drsfted would be ok paying BU for 3 years? I wouldn't want to. Seems like playing fire roulette and forcing Hurts back to the immature levels get just left. So with an extra1 pick where do you go, WR? If you draf a WR he is going o want to start,so which are you losing for that? If you draft a RB is he replacing Barkley? I mean any guy you get in round 1 you should expect to play to play,so who of those do you cut? Maybe grab a LB,but you shouldn't overdo things. I mean(example,you can't have AJ, SMitty, CeeDee Lamb and Jamaar Chase and expect to keep them all happy. That would open up too many cans of worms TE could be one if there are any round 1 worthy TEs. My question to all of them is if Hurts goes down in week 7 .Our record is 5-2. Now since you traded away McKee you are asking an inexperienced McCord to lead you to the SB from 5-2?? That's a HUGE risk I don't see Howie taking. So say we have 2 round 1's What position players are you taking while booting our present starters? McCord would then be the 2 with the new guy as QB3 and I don't feel McCord is anywhere near ready to run this offense like McKee can. If Steen struggles one could be used for RG but that's a high pick for a G. Maybe another LB/S? I just don't see the value in making that trade and possibly exposing an unready QB, so for me I'm holding onto McKee for at LEAST this year. No need to make risks you don't have to

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

  8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

It would be as idiotic not to take the pick as it would be to offer a 1st rd pick for him solely based on a couple years of preseason showings.

I mean, I'm sure there is still the occasional Eagles fan that just doesn't like the Hurts style QB that is somehow hoping for some "pocket passer" to overtake him, but that is so unrealistic. We have our franchise QB. He's the respected leader of the team and the main element of culture this team is being built around. There is no backup QB that is more valuable to us than a 1st rd pick.

Wentz was a round 1 pick, so was Manziel, how did they work out. If Hurts retired and/ we were rebuilding I would be all for it, but that's not how the tea leaves read. Right now McKee is chomping at the bit to be a starter,but I believe even HE understands his body of work has been short and he would play for a team with lesser attributes than he has here. He wants to stay and he's a better BU than Foles was and certainly better than Pickett. We saw him do well (thats why pickett got the boot), but JMP I would have NP with McKee under center if he had to go the res of the way. McCord simply is not ready for trial by fire

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

  7 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Why not? Hurts goes down we are probably hosed anyway

If Hurts went down I would be comfortable with McKee under center taking us home. McCord, not so much

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK I will add another layer. If you had multiple round 1 picks, what positions do you plan on taking with them? It would give you major leverage to gather a load of later picks, but really with some of the talent we will lost in cuts, how many picks are too many? I suppose you could use one on a round 1 QB,but if you did that you would think he starts by year 2? not to mention you run back into a Wentz debacle and Hurts was only a round 2 pick. I would find that very disruptive to what we have built. I believe it's too early to have challenges to Hurts #1 status. I just don't like that from the culture standpoint. Your round 1 pick QB. Our skill positions are in good shape and choosing any of those with a round 1 tosses a wrench into their respective rooms keeping a round 1 talent riding pine is not the best use of draft capital. McKee could be a one here with more snap time, but that won't happen if Hurts stays upright. If we traded McKee, then you are counting on McCord to be where McKee already is and I don't see that at all at this point. So for a 1 trade we would have Hurt,McCord and the new pick,but do you think a our #1QB drsfted would be ok paying BU for 3 years? I wouldn't want to. Seems like playing fire roulette and forcing Hurts back to the immature levels get just left. So with an extra1 pick where do you go, WR? If you draf a WR he is going o want to start,so which are you losing for that? If you draft a RB is he replacing Barkley? I mean any guy you get in round 1 you should expect to play to play,so who of those do you cut? Maybe grab a LB,but you shouldn't overdo things. I mean(example,you can't have AJ, SMitty, CeeDee Lamb and Jamaar Chase and expect to keep them all happy. That would open up too many cans of worms TE could be one if there are any round 1 worthy TEs. My question to all of them is if Hurts goes down in week 7 .Our record is 5-2. Now since you traded away McKee you are asking an inexperienced McCord to lead you to the SB from 5-2?? That's a HUGE risk I don't see Howie taking. So say we have 2 round 1's What position players are you taking while booting our present starters? McCord would then be the 2 with the new guy as QB3 and I don't feel McCord is anywhere near ready to run this offense like McKee can. If Steen struggles one could be used for RG but that's a high pick for a G. Maybe another LB/S? I just don't see the value in making that trade and possibly exposing an unready QB, so for me I'm holding onto McKee for at LEAST this year. No need to make risks you don't have to

All good thoughts.

Having the second Round 1 pick wouldn't be until 2027 in this hypothetical scenario. For me, that would be a trenches pick ... more likely the Defensive trenches given this year's loading up with Hinton, Williams, Pierce, Tate and Kendall in April. You can never have too many Cornerbacks, so adding another Q in 2027 would not be a bad outcome.

If he got a 1st Round pick for McKee, Howie would be looking for a one year rental experienced QB, with the thought that McCord wouldn't be ready to be QB2 this season. Cousins from Atlanta could be an interesting pickup.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Wentz was a round 1 pick, so was Manziel, how did they work out. If Hurts retired and/ we were rebuilding I would be all for it, but that's not how the tea leaves read. Right now McKee is chomping at the bit to be a starter,but I believe even HE understands his body of work has been short and he would play for a team with lesser attributes than he has here. He wants to stay and he's a better BU than Foles was and certainly better than Pickett. We saw him do well (thats why pickett got the boot), but JMP I would have NP with McKee under center if he had to go the res of the way. McCord simply is not ready for trial by fire

When did McKee get the number of starts that Foles had prior to 2017?

When did McKee start a playoff game?

When did McKee go 27-2 with his TD-INT ratio?

McKee has yet to prove he's a better backup than Foles, even discounting the 2017 season.

10 hours ago, mattwill said:

Two reasons … (1) McKee’s lack of live snaps makes a 2026 1st Highly unlikely. A 2026 2nd is probably the ceiling. (2) A year’s delay typically means a one Round jump. So a 2026 2nd is equivalent to a 2027 1st.

2 reasons against your post.

First, the delay in one year doesn't necessarily translate from 2nd round to 1st round like it does the other rounds

Second, if he is worth a 1st round pick in any year, I think at the QB position, the other team should be willing to give it ...whichever year.

But most importantly, for the Eagles to give away their cheap option at back up QB for the next 2 seasons, they would be idiots to wait for 2027 compensation... not really a way to run a business

But you seem to be really focused on drafts that are 2 and 3 years away. Why is that?

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Wentz was a round 1 pick, so was Manziel, how did they work out. If Hurts retired and/ we were rebuilding I would be all for it, but that's not how the tea leaves read. Right now McKee is chomping at the bit to be a starter,but I believe even HE understands his body of work has been short and he would play for a team with lesser attributes than he has here. He wants to stay and he's a better BU than Foles was and certainly better than Pickett. We saw him do well (thats why pickett got the boot), but JMP I would have NP with McKee under center if he had to go the res of the way. McCord simply is not ready for trial by fire

Wentz worked out phenomenal... for the Eagles. 2nd year MVP level and Kelve credited for help changing the mentality... then getting all those assets in a trade. Really helpful in winning both SBs.

I think you need to get off planet Ham with all that left field thinking and just use the easy argument... the team is a contender...NOW... A 2027 pick doesn't help the next 2 seasons.

I think some of these " bloggers" are so set in constant GM mode... it's tough for them to understand the mindset of staying put and being a contender. Always, we need buy this or sell that.

A first round pick may absolutely be way more value than McKee os worth...im just not giving up 2 years before seeing anything in return. The bloggers don't seem ti understand the value of a backup QB that you get for minimum salary. That's usually a $5-10 mil position. Overall you need to look at our cap as part of it.

4 hours ago, mattwill said:

All good thoughts.

Having the second Round 1 pick wouldn't be until 2027 in this hypothetical scenario. For me, that would be a trenches pick ... more likely the Defensive trenches given this year's loading up with Hinton, Williams, Pierce, Tate and Kendall in April. You can never have too many Cornerbacks, so adding another Q in 2027 would not be a bad outcome.

If he got a 1st Round pick for McKee, Howie would be looking for a one year rental experienced QB, with the thought that McCord wouldn't be ready to be QB2 this season. Cousins from Atlanta could be an interesting pickup.

Wow...you are already thinking about a 2027 draft pick.... again my point....it's tough for some people to understand th3 position of being a contender and staying put. Already designating a draft pick 2 years from now... it's a little obsessive and silly. 2 seasons are going to be played before then.....as contenders. Lots of stuff can change.

4 hours ago, mattwill said:

All good thoughts.

Having the second Round 1 pick wouldn't be until 2027 in this hypothetical scenario. For me, that would be a trenches pick ... more likely the Defensive trenches given this year's loading up with Hinton, Williams, Pierce, Tate and Kendall in April. You can never have too many Cornerbacks, so adding another Q in 2027 would not be a bad outcome.

If he got a 1st Round pick for McKee, Howie would be looking for a one year rental experienced QB, with the thought that McCord wouldn't be ready to be QB2 this season. Cousins from Atlanta could be an interesting pickup.

Salary cap implications

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

they would be idiots to wait for 2027 compensation... not really a way to run a business

But you seem to be really focused on drafts that are 2 and 3 years away. Why is that?

The answer to that is really simple … building the replenishment pipeline.

That objective is currently well in hand for 2026 with 13 picks in addition to a current starting roster that is almost all under contract for at least two years. So, adding more 2026 picks is (almost) counterproductive. Setting up future drafts with the resources to bring in the next generation when the current roster contracts reach their end and some of the players follow Milton and Josh and Isaiah as FA departures or BG as retirements.

Achieving that end result doesn’t happen overnight. It takes forethought and proactivity. It also takes trading partners who value what they are getting more than the cost of what they are giving up. It is easy to undervalue future picks, and then regret what you have given up when that future becomes the present.

He may come down to earth at sometime in the coming years, but arming Howie with draft picks has been a gold mine. Riding (and feeding) that winning hand just makes sense.

It also is consistent with the product life cycle knowledge shared by business schools when they describe the successes of great companies in business.