3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So to a RB O lines don't matter?

Both matter is my point. To have the Oline…but only gain 8 yards instead of the 60 was my issue.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

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Eagles 2018 Running Backs | StatMuse

The 2018 running backs for the Eagles included Wendell Smallwood, Josh Adams, Jay Ajayi, Darren Sproles and Corey Clement.

Here are the 2018 SB champ running backs. Is there a RBBC here? You say O lines don't matter to these guys? Do they matter now? Do they always matter? Would a poor O line have won the SB?

Where did I ever say Oline doesn’t matter? No where!!!

20 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What you are saying, but not realizing your acknowledging, is the coaching gameplan film study work is the issue. Everybody feels out the opponent each game. But quality film study can pick some keys to take advantage of each week.

Ham, you probably should reread your comment above. Film study is limited to whatever is actually on film. For example, prior to the Super Bowl there was no film of the Kansas City Defense deploying the scheme that they deployed in the Super Bowl. Spags developed that scheme specifically for that one game. So to get knowledge about it is precisely what the scripted plays to start the game are designed to to … to answer the question, " What do we need to know in order to maximize our effectiveness in the last 3/4 of the game.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

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Eagles 2018 Running Backs | StatMuse

The 2018 running backs for the Eagles included Wendell Smallwood, Josh Adams, Jay Ajayi, Darren Sproles and Corey Clement.

Here are the 2018 SB champ running backs. Is there a RBBC here? You say O lines don't matter to these guys? Do they matter now? Do they always matter? Would a poor O line have won the SB?

I said nothing like Oline doesn’t matter. Slow down and read. I said if we built the team prioritizing massive run blocking Oline….then take full advantage when they create that huge hole…get the RB

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It was always a RBBC here until bark became available

Nope….lead guy and Gainwell spelling him

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No real need for that now with Bark carrying the RB load. Guys now are just for relief for him to catch a breather and for a few different looks for defenses to have to cover. Instead of 6,we can do with 3 and 1 on the PS(maybe 2). We'll see how that works out after camp

Think we’ll see more production from Shipley this season than Gainwell. He’s explosive. Going to really attack opponents on the ground.

26 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

For many years i've said that when it comes to training camp no news is good news

This year is no different

So huge. Seems like we got conditioned to expect let down and key injuries to derail us for decades. But Siri seems to manage these better. Cupcake and no hitting basically.

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Ham, you probably should reread your comment above. Film study is limited to whatever is actually on film. For example, prior to the Super Bowl there was no film of the Kansas City Defense deploying the scheme that they deployed in the Super Bowl. Spags developed that scheme specifically for that one game. So to get knowledge about it is precisely what the scripted plays to start the game are designed to to … to answer the question, " What do we need to know in order to maximize our effectiveness in the last 3/4 of the game.

But decent DCs adapt during the game. So that method you describe isn’t good enough.

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Ham, you probably should reread your comment above. Film study is limited to whatever is actually on film. For example, prior to the Super Bowl there was no film of the Kansas City Defense deploying the scheme that they deployed in the Super Bowl. Spags developed that scheme specifically for that one game. So to get knowledge about it is precisely what the scripted plays to start the game are designed to to … to answer the question, " What do we need to know in order to maximize our effectiveness in the last 3/4 of the game.

It’s not just plays…it’s players. Gotta come up with a script getting favorable matchups for us.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s not just plays…it’s players. Gotta come up with a script getting favorable matchups for us.

You continue to misunderstand what the scripts are designed to do. Here’s a description that perhaps you will understand.

In the NFL, scripted plays refer to a pre-determined sequence of plays that an offense runs at the beginning of a game, typically the first 15-25 plays, according to SumerSports. These plays are carefully chosen to achieve specific goals such as assessing the opponent's defensive strategies, exploiting weaknesses, building offensive rhythm, and setting up future plays. 

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Purpose:

  Scripted plays are not about rigidly adhering to a specific order, but rather about gathering information and establishing a foundation for the rest of the game. 

• Key Objectives:

  • Exploiting Defensive Weaknesses: Teams will use scripted plays to test the opponent's reactions to certain formations, personnel groupings, and play calls. 

  • Building Offensive Rhythm: By running plays they've practiced extensively, offenses can find their groove and build confidence early in the game. 

  • Setting up Future Plays: Scripted plays can be designed to set up later plays by influencing how the defense reacts to certain formations or play calls. 

  • Information Gathering: Coaches use the scripted plays to gather crucial information about the opponent's defensive schemes, tendencies, and personnel matchups. 

• Examples:

  • Some teams script plays into the second half. 

  • The Kansas City Chiefs, for example, are known to script their first 15 plays. 

  • Kyle Shanahan of the San Francisco 49ersscripts the first 24 plays, though he doesn't always run them sequentially. 

• Beyond the Script:

  After the initial scripted plays, offenses transition to a more flexible approach, relying on the information gathered and adjusting their play calls based on the game's flow and the opponent's reactions

Any coach running his side of the ball needs to find a gameplan. Find a few key ways he plans to attack the opponent. So script up plays to move players and effect things.

Notice a LB weakness. Always holes in anything. Good coaches understand these and know ways to attack those.

Plenty of times a quality O mind can script a bad O even into scoring on one if the first two drives.

Clearly we wore opponents down the last few seasons. So Barkley second half production was stellar.

Feeling out the opponent I can understand for the D. But not the O.

I mean if the coach can’t come up with effective gameplans and scripted plays? Need a guy that can do that job then.

Feeling out for the first fourth of the game is unacceptable.

I do believe in setting up future plays. But want the plays to work regardlesss. Just basic playcalling really to not just think one step at a time playcalling. Always setting things up. The run sets up the pass. A screen sets up a bomb. Runnng comebacks over and over…then finally instead fake it and go deep.

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Any coach running his side of the ball needs to find a gameplan. Find a few key ways he plans to attack the opponent. So script up plays to move players and effect things.

Again you misunderstand the purpose of the Scripps. The scripts are not to illuminate things about your offense. They are to illuminate things about the opposing defense. So that you can maximize the things that you’ve designed into your offense in a second third and fourth quarter.

Think of the script as a flashlight, the way you are describing the flashlight you have pointed at yourself, illuminating your own game plan. Turn the flashlight around and point it toward the defense so that you are illuminating the defense, and the defense is doing

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I do believe in setting up future plays. But want the plays to work regardlesss. Just basic playcalling really to not just think one step at a time playcalling. Always setting things up. The run sets up the pass. A screen sets up a bomb. Runnng comebacks over and over…then finally instead fake it and go deep.

That is a solid description of the second third and fourth quarters and perhaps even the last half of the first quarter once you have completed running the script.

One of the things you need to understand about scripts is that if the first play in the script is a run and it gains 7 yards or alternatively the same run only gains one yard, then the second play in the script is done regardless of whether the first play game 7 yards or 1 yards or even got a first down you’re doing the script in the order that is laid out regardless there is no deviation from the script

59 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Feeling out the opponent I can understand for the D. But not the O.

I can understand it for the O, but not for the D. Offense is proactive. Defense for the most part is reactive.

59 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Feeling out for the first fourth of the game is unacceptable.

Most scripts are 15 plays long, although the 49ers have tended toward 24 play scripts. With games having approximately 60 Offensive snaps, 15 is 25%. Shanahan’s 24 is closer to 40%.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Dean on IR already, but I suppose we assumed that

I believe he is on PUP, not IR.

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Barkley did choke.

No Barkley did not choke. He did exactly what the game plan dialed up for him. If anyone choked it was the Offensive Line because they failed to open any holes for Saquon to run through.

However, calling the O-Line "chokers” is just as poorly thought out as calling Saquon a choker. The Chiefs assigned a Back Seven player to plug every gap between the O-Linemen. As a result every potential hole was quickly closed.

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

dominant monster run blocking Oline. Mailata, Dickerson and Lane deliver crushing huge gaping hole pancake run blocks every game.

They did that in the Super Bowl, but the Chiefs’ LBs and Safeties plugged the trench-level holes created by the O-Line