52 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Loaded box…Saquan busts it…because nobody was back there once he got through. This is a fairly widely understood scenario that occurs.

You can’t even see the defensive deployment in that video. It is off the screen.

55 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Loaded box…Saquan busts it…because nobody was back there once he got through. This is a fairly widely understood scenario that occurs.

Here’s a better video. As you can see, only five in the box.

https://youtube.com/shorts/4ALF1WM5pgE?feature=shared

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Others have much more quality playcalls by the coach whose duty is to do that job. Shouldn’t have to rely on the QB getting out of bad playcalls so often. A few games where the big audibled plays made all the difference in the game.

Ham, I’m beginning to get the clear picture that you don’t understand football at anything other than the 100,000 foot level. All teams, all play callers, and all QBs regularly come up to the LOS and find that the Defense has adjusted its deployment, moving players on and off the LOS, moving from zone to man or man to zone, shifting from 2 deep to single high, etc. When that happens QBs ALWAYS have the discretion and expectation to audible out of the called play because the realigned Defense is well positioned to defend it. All the QBs in the HOF regularly turned to audibles.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Ham, I’m beginning to get the clear picture that you don’t understand football at anything other than the 100,000 foot level. All teams, all play callers, and all QBs regularly come up to the LOS and find that the Defense has adjusted its deployment, moving players on and off the LOS, moving from zone to man or man to zone, shifting from 2 deep to single high, etc. When that happens QBs ALWAYS have the discretion and expectation to audible out of the called play because the realigned Defense is well positioned to defend it. All the QBs in the HOF regularly turned to audibles.

The 100000 foot view is great for a fictional movie script though. The drama sells.

Idk... football in the back yard growing up was the QB changing things with small adjustments.

Idk any offense that just has the play called amd that's it without any adjustments?

That's a nice fantasy.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Uhmmm…showed the comparison…to ughh…compare

UMMM so when comparing... then a relative question would be who would you prefer or who is better?

Especially if you are showing a comparison where you were alluding to Sanders being better.

Really lets cut to the chase... there is no reason to show the stat unless one is trying to be antagonistic in trying to portray Sanders in a better light than Barkley.

Then it takes a real arse not to acknowledge that was the purpose and to further try to act all superior to the person who asked the simple and relative question of either Barkley or Sanders.

Or... it could be a Dallas fan, showing the comparison... who fits the bill of all these characteristics !

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Here’s a better video. As you can see, only five in the box.

https://youtube.com/shorts/4ALF1WM5pgE?feature=shared

That’s the Dline of scrimmage…not The Box

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s the Dline of scrimmage…not The Box

You are missing counting the two ILB and SS way up in there on the other side he runs.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Five in the box. Single deep Safety so deep he is off the screen to the right. Two CBs manned on AJ and Devonta. Three LBs off ball. 11 minus 1 minus 2 minus 3 leaves 5.

You don’t understand where the box is. Yet talked about it how Spags utilized it counting the guys you aren’t counting here. No consistency.

6 in the box is average NFL base D

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Five in the box. Single deep Safety so deep he is off the screen to the right. Two CBs manned on AJ and Devonta. Three LBs off ball. 11 minus 1 minus 2 minus 3 leaves 5.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Ok boys and girls let’s all learn how to count today. 1….2…3…4…5…6…7…8….were we all able to keep up and count this high?

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

The Eagles only faced 8 in the box three times in 2024. KC, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland. Saquon had 47 yards on 18 carries against the Browns, 65 yards on 19 carries against the Steelers, and no long runs against the Chiefs.

His long runs came against non-loaded box deployments.

I just posted how many videos contrary to your words. Non-loaded box my a22!

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s the Dline of scrimmage…not The Box

The generally accepted definition of "the box” …

Your video of the snow game is crystal clear. The three Linebackers are 6 yards off the line of scrimmage in typical "base” alignment.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ok boys and girls let’s all learn how to count today. 1….2…3…4…5…6…7…8….were we all able to keep up and count this high?

The 3 LBs are 6 yards off the LOS outside the box in typical "base” positions.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

6 in the box is average NFL base D

No. Your typical base 4-3 has the 3 LBs in pass coverage zones, or if the scheme is man coverage they have assigned receivers. They read and react to what the Offense does. If the TE stays in to block and/or their eyes on the QB and RB tell them the play is a run, they abandon their pass coverage assignment and converge on the ball carrier.

Your typical 3-4 has the 2 OLBs in the box along with the 3 D-Linemen.

The base Defense in the NFL is almost always oriented toward pass coverage, since across the league more than half of all plays are designed passes.

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Of course I did. All that talk all TC about a competition for the starting RB job….that Siri awarded to his boy Gainwell. No way Swift wasn’t the far better option. How did things play out that season?

Gains started ONE game LMFAO. Swift was the 1, everyone knew it. Just carrying on as usual

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Oh yeah…Swift made the Pro Bowl. Gainwell might not even make the team in Pittsburgh.

O lines matter

On 7/23/2025 at 7:42 PM, mattwill said:

They need snap eaters for TC and the Preseason games. Not injuries, just won’t be giving the starters any preseason games snaps

Jalen Carter is injured

4 hours ago, mattwill said:

The generally accepted definition of "the box” …

Your video of the snow game is crystal clear. The three Linebackers are 6 yards off the line of scrimmage in typical "base” alignment.

Let’s try working on counting again

4 hours ago, mattwill said:

No. Your typical base 4-3 has the 3 LBs in pass coverage zones, or if the scheme is man coverage they have assigned receivers. They read and react to what the Offense does. If the TE stays in to block and/or their eyes on the QB and RB tell them the play is a run, they abandon their pass coverage assignment and converge on the ball carrier.

Your typical 3-4 has the 2 OLBs in the box along with the 3 D-Linemen.

The base Defense in the NFL is almost always oriented toward pass coverage, since across the league more than half of all plays are designed passes.

Base D for every NFL team is Nickel

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Gains started ONE game LMFAO. Swift was the 1, everyone knew it. Just carrying on as usual

Swift got one carry before Gainwell got injured. But yep…Gainwell started one game…got injured….Swift got his shot…Gainwell never got the starting job back.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Let’s try working on counting again

Base D for every NFL team is Nickel

This will be interesting.

For a 4-3 team, in Nickel, 4 down linemen (sometimes three), 5 DBs, and 2 Offball LBs. Four in the box.

Nickel assumes a pass play coming, so the Offball LBs will be responsible for the middle of the field pass route zones between 5 yards off the LOS if it is a zone scheme, or manning up on the TE and their eyes RB coming out of the backfield if it is a man scheme. In each case two Offball LBs will be more than 3-5 yards off the LOS, and both in function and positioning, not in the box.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Swift got one carry before Gainwell got injured. But yep…Gainwell started one game…got injured….Swift got his shot…Gainwell never got the starting job back.

That is one interpretation of the events. It is not the only interpretation.

It is a bit like Miss Clairol … only her hairdresser knows for sure, and the hairdresser isn’t talking.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Swift got one carry before Gainwell got injured. But yep…Gainwell started one game…got injured….Swift got his shot…Gainwell never got the starting job back.

How did Gainwell and the team do before his injury?