34 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

When did I ever say it would be more of a test? I didn’t.

Read your own words …

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Such a Secondary test to face this week. Guys going to need to pull things together something quick.

26 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

just a few years back in the SB.

Yes this matters Sunday? A few years back? We need the '85 Bears defense Sunday if you want to go back a few years

If he sucks I hope we make a change before week 3 https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/philadelphia-eagles-go-against-what-fans-are-asking-for-when-it-comes-to-starting-cb2/ar-AA1Mhixk?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=247830bc92264981db09cc2c9645e022&ei=15

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/eagles-sign-former-seahawks-dt-cut-veteran-cb/ar-AA1MhG6F?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=87d2865d5b114d5fea7fbecf07edb224&ei=22

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Juju and Kelce gave us plenty enough issues just a few years back in the SB. Add in Hollywood. I don’t think you should be relying on Name recognition so much. AR can get a second stringer to gouge with a double move potentially.

That is at least an answer. Let’s dig into it a bit. What percentage of the snaps do you think Kelce will be covered by a CB? What percentage covered by either Baun or Campbell?

Juju is no longer the player he was a few years back.

Given all of that, where is this test going to come from?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mukuba and Adorree doing their duties…not giving up those big plays is pretty universal issue for us presently.

- Getting the entire Secondary geling together.

-Getting the coverage blend gel between LBs and Secondary together

Those are not tests. Those are performing their assignments. Typically a test comes from the outside, not from within, unless there is a traitor in your midst. You "face” a test. You don’t face doing your job.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He's not gimpy,it's a shoulder injury

Fair enough. I misused the term to describe someone whose actions are limited without the leg specificity. I went to an all boys school and we often talked about having gimpy brains when the master was asking us questions about an assignment and our answers were few and far between.

20 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Fair enough. I misused the term to describe someone whose actions are limited without the leg specificity. I went to an all boys school and we often talked about having gimpy brains when the master was asking us questions about an assignment and our answers were few and far between.

Well I could be wrong too. I take "gimpy" as being leg related. I didn't look up the definition lol

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well I could be wrong too. I take "gimpy" as being leg related. I didn't look up the definition lol.

I looked it up. It is indeed legal specific. Impotence is often referred to as having a gimpy leg.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Yes, but so are salaries and everything else. A "regular" guy can't afford to go to the games.$13.00 beers lol. IDK must be alot of wealthy people because I can't afford to go(well I could but....) it's getting more insane every year. Now they have games you have to buy aa streaming service to get(different ones too) to even watch what used to be free. The NFL greed knows no bounds. As long as people pay they won't stop

Forgot about $35.00 parking too

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Those are not tests. Those are performing their assignments. Typically a test comes from the outside, not from within, unless there is a traitor in your midst. You "face” a test. You don’t face doing your job.

They aren’t there yet. Adooree hasn’t met a completion he doesn’t like giving up. Mukuba is a rook. The film showed we easily could have been cooked for so much more than what occurred week one.

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

Not sure what you are saying.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

They could or they could run a normal base 3-4 defense as well what’s your point lol…. Look I already stated I should have looked at it based on the formation we are primarily in but doesn’t change that we are still technically a 3-4 defense nothing you say changes that.

Yes we will play primarily in sub sets with Dejean on the nickel, yes we might have a varying front that looks like a 4-3… and YES we have our BASE D that is a 3-4

So not arguing here...but just a question... what would you consider a " base" defense? Is it the default 4-3 or 3-4? Or is it the defense a team plays the most?

It's interesting now due to most teams playing the extra DBs most of the time.

Has definitely changed the LB spot... you have guys now that are combo MLBs and 4-3 outside LBs. Baun to me is a classic 4-3 OLB... but he absolutely plays some of that MLB style too.

22 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They aren’t there yet. Adooree hasn’t met a completion he doesn’t like giving up. Mukuba is a rook. The film showed we easily could have been cooked for so much more than what occurred week one.

All (partially) true. Mukuba being a rook isn’t a test. It is a reality. A reality that absolutely nothing can be done this season to change.

Your perspective is granular rather than holistic. As Joe has pointed out, the Pass Defense allowed 188 total passing yards, less than the NFL average for Week One. 188 yards would rank 3rd in the NFL during the 2024 season. As you do in looking at the Offense, you ignore the fact that football is a team game, not an individual sport.

But all the above is extraneous to the fact that tests come from the outside, and everything you have pointed out are internal. Tests come from the opponents.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mukuba and Adorree doing their duties…not giving up those big plays is pretty universal issue for us presently.

- Getting the entire Secondary geling together.

-Getting the coverage blend gel between LBs and Secondary together

We just can't give up another 188 yards passing

5 hours ago, mattwill said:

Our base D is a 3-4? Our base D is Nickel … 4-2-5 by the numbers.

Idk... I could see both perspectives of what we consider " base D"

For me it's the 4-2-5... because we play it the most...but for so long the base D meant what you play on early downs...but also they did play a " base D " more in the past with Nickel and dime being minority snaps.

So who knows...but we should play all the styles... the point that we can have Davis between Carter and Ojomo on some snaps is valid and one that should help our D.

Im curious with Dean back...because the old school 3 LB package with Baun and Campbell as Sam and Will with Dean as the Mike... we could do that too. In that case DeJean moves to either outside CB or one of the S spots...

The beautiful thing....DeJean Baun and Campbell allow Fangio to do it all. Should be fun

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

Not sure what there is in 1. to disagree with. Tank is filling the roster slot vacated by BVS. If he isn’t going into that roster spot, what roster spot is he going into. The only other roster spot that opened up was Hall’s. I agree that you could just as easily say Tank is filling Hall’s roster spot, but it makes logical sense that an Offensive player fills a slot on the Offense and a Defensive player fills a slot on the Defense.

Ojomo is a 3-4 DE much more than he is a 3-4 DT. He doesn’t have enough junk in the trunk and his playing style is much closer to that of a 3-4 DE than a 3-4 DT. The terminology challenge with a Fangio front four is that he only has one DE and one DT in his front four with the two OLBs … or you could say he has no DTs and two DEs when Ojomo and Carter are on the field with the two OLBs. The only true DT he has is Davis, and the slimmed down version of Davis is looking more like a 3-4 DE than a 3-4 NT.

Fangio’s frequency of usage of five man fronts is not very frequent at all.

I would say Tank is taking Shipley's roster spots. Two guys on IR... the role Tank is playing is that of Shipley...so that would be the roster spot he is taking as well. If Shipley didn't get injured, idk ee trade for Tank. BVS injury to me didn't factor in getting Tank.

So that is where I disagree.

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

Not sure what there is in 1. to disagree with. Tank is filling the roster slot vacated by BVS. If he isn’t going into that roster spot, what roster spot is he going into. The only other roster spot that opened up was Hall’s. I agree that you could just as easily say Tank is filling Hall’s roster spot, but it makes logical sense that an Offensive player fills a slot on the Offense and a Defensive player fills a slot on the Defense.

Ojomo is a 3-4 DE much more than he is a 3-4 DT. He doesn’t have enough junk in the trunk and his playing style is much closer to that of a 3-4 DE than a 3-4 DT. The terminology challenge with a Fangio front four is that he only has one DE and one DT in his front four with the two OLBs … or you could say he has no DTs and two DEs when Ojomo and Carter are on the field with the two OLBs. The only true DT he has is Davis, and the slimmed down version of Davis is looking more like a 3-4 DE than a 3-4 NT.

Fangio’s frequency of usage of five man fronts is not very frequent at all.

Ojomo will be out there next to one other DT...( Carter, Davis , Robinson. YOUNG) for most of his snaps... so he will play the role of a DT in a 4 man front...sharing the area between the tackles with one other DL.

I don't care how he is built...what car he drives, his favorite color... he will function as one of the two interior DL on most of his snaps.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yes, but so are salaries and everything else. A "regular" guy can't afford to go to the games.$13.00 beers lol. IDK must be alot of wealthy people because I can't afford to go(well I could but....) it's getting more insane every year. Now they have games you have to buy aa streaming service to get(different ones too) to even watch what used to be free. The NFL greed knows no bounds. As long as people pay they won't stop

The drunks all go to the games all the time...don't worry about the Eagles fans.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They aren’t there yet. Adooree hasn’t met a completion he doesn’t like giving up. Mukuba is a rook. The film showed we easily could have been cooked for so much more than what occurred week one.

188 passing yards... imagine giving that up each game. Wonder what that would rank league wide???

188 yards would have ranked 3rd last year...we were #1 with 174....Tennessee was second 177... Jets 3rd at 192.

188 would be a disaster. We can't have that.

51 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So not arguing here...but just a question... what would you consider a " base" defense? Is it the default 4-3 or 3-4? Or is it the defense a team plays the most?

It's interesting now due to most teams playing the extra DBs most of the time.

Has definitely changed the LB spot... you have guys now that are combo MLBs and 4-3 outside LBs. Baun to me is a classic 4-3 OLB... but he absolutely plays some of that MLB style too.

Default 4-3 and 3-4 are the historical answers, although 3-4 is a Johnny Come Lately compared to the 4-3. And the eventual inclusion of the 3-4 as equivalent to the 4-3 back in the day gives us a good sense of what the answer to your question is … that the "base defense” is the one the team uses most frequently. So Fangio’s base is the 4-2-5 he deployed throughout the game in SB59.

Another reason it is his base is that (I believe) more than anything else, he wants to avoid giving up big plays, and 5 DBs supports that much more than 4DBs.

42 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I would say Tank is taking Shipley's roster spots. Two guys on IR... the role Tank is playing is that of Shipley...so that would be the roster spot he is taking as well. If Shipley didn't get injured, idk ee trade for Tank. BVS injury to me didn't factor in getting Tank.

So that is where I disagree.

Unless I missed it, Shipley is still on the roster, so Tank can’t take that spot. If Shipley were put on IR then there would be two open roster spots rather than one.

It seems to me you are using "role” and "roster spots” interchangeably. To me roster spot is simply a number between 1 and 53 or between 1 and 17 for the Practice Squad, and if Hurts got injured and went on the IR, roster spot 53 would open up.

JMO