1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So hangtime is no longer important? Maybe they form new styles of kicks.

I guess not since then you'd have 21 guys all collected at the 15

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

I guess not since then you'd have 21 guys all collected at the 15

Well nobody can move until the kick is caught anyway

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

 

Look at this... all 10 cover guys are watching the return man and know exactly where the ball is.  He actually finds a hole to the bottom here...but look how that 2nd layer of 5 guys are right there incase he broke past layer one.  

The old way always had guys flying past...they were contain in a certain gap... if you broke through a gap...that could be it..because half the team or more were running full speed and took themselves out of the play.   

Not here...if you run at me..I'll go attack...you run away, I'll go layer behind my guys.  But I'm always in the play.

Which if your back is to the returner how do you know when you’re able to move? You can only go off the kicking team moving..so then you move? I don’t really know much on this.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Look at this... all 10 cover guys are watching the return man and know exactly where the ball is.  He actually finds a hole to the bottom here...but look how that 2nd layer of 5 guys are right there incase he broke past layer one.  

The old way always had guys flying past...they were contain in a certain gap... if you broke through a gap...that could be it..because half the team or more were running full speed and took themselves out of the play.   

Not here...if you run at me..I'll go attack...you run away, I'll go layer behind my guys.  But I'm always in the play.

IDK I assume NFL kickers are better than XFL ones and you still kick into the EZ

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Look at this... all 10 cover guys are watching the return man and know exactly where the ball is.  He actually finds a hole to the bottom here...but look how that 2nd layer of 5 guys are right there incase he broke past layer one.  

The old way always had guys flying past...they were contain in a certain gap... if you broke through a gap...that could be it..because half the team or more were running full speed and took themselves out of the play.   

Not here...if you run at me..I'll go attack...you run away, I'll go layer behind my guys.  But I'm always in the play.

Why are all the blockers going backwards? You’d think they’d attack and want to engage as fast as possible.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So hangtime is no longer important? Maybe they form new styles of kicks.

Right... all these things that mattered before...right out the window.  

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Which if your back is to the returner how do you know when you’re able to move? You can only go off the kicking team moving..so then you move? I don’t really know much on this.

Backs are to the kicker and they can't see the ball flight either. It's going to be tricky because players will move before it's touched so I see alot of downtime penalites for "moving too soon"

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Why are all the blockers going backwards? You’d think they’d attack and want to engage as fast as possible.

Because if they miss... then the return man is going to get killed. 

But this is what I'm saying....it's like you need 10 sumo wrestlers and Derrick Henry to return. 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Look at this... all 10 cover guys are watching the return man and know exactly where the ball is.  He actually finds a hole to the bottom here...but look how that 2nd layer of 5 guys are right there incase he broke past layer one.  

The old way always had guys flying past...they were contain in a certain gap... if you broke through a gap...that could be it..because half the team or more were running full speed and took themselves out of the play.   

Not here...if you run at me..I'll go attack...you run away, I'll go layer behind my guys.  But I'm always in the play.

So basically the runner got to the 30 which was where all his guys were standing anyhow 😆

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Which if your back is to the returner how do you know when you’re able to move? You can only go off the kicking team moving..so then you move? I don’t really know much on this.

Right... I think you are getting all excited for returns...while I'm thinking it's like another rushing play.  Is it really that exciting if they return it to the 29 instead of the 21?  

It's not like kicking to Hester while the coverage has to sprint downfield.  

It's action...but it's basically a glorified rushing play. Not return like we are used to.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So basically the runner got to the 30 which was where all his guys were standing anyhow 😆

Right...great return...maybe he could get to the 32 ..wouldn't that just make Sports Center...lol

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Right...great return...maybe he could get to the 32 ..wouldn't that just make Sports Center...lol

Highlight reels. "And he's leading the league with a +4 yards on returns, just AWESOME"

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right... I think you are getting all excited for returns...while I'm thinking it's like another rushing play.  Is it really that exciting if they return it to the 29 instead of the 21?  

It's not like kicking to Hester while the coverage has to sprint downfield.  

It's action...but it's basically a glorified rushing play. Not return like we are used to.

Just figuring it will be more action than kicking through the endzone near every time.

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right... I think you are getting all excited for returns...while I'm thinking it's like another rushing play.  Is it really that exciting if they return it to the 29 instead of the 21?  

It's not like kicking to Hester while the coverage has to sprint downfield.  

It's action...but it's basically a glorified rushing play. Not return like we are used to.

I have no idea on this one

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Just figuring it will be more action than kicking through the endzone near every time.

But not the good action and fighting over a few yards??? 

Without needing hangtime …what about a laser hard fast low kick? Something much harder to catch cleanly.

Since you can't move until the ball is touched you also eliminate recovering a muffed catch. Plenty of time to miss the catch and get the ball back

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I have no idea on this one

Well....I'm guessing of they were trying to sell it...wouldn't we be seeing a highlight of an " exciting " return? 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Without needing hangtime …what about a laser hard fast low kick? Something much harder to catch cleanly.

Sure... it goes into the end zone and touchback.  Unless you find a kicker that can put back spin on it while kicking it like that?

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Since you can't move until the ball is touched you also eliminate recovering a muffed catch. Plenty of time to miss the catch and get the ball back

Correct.  It eliminates anything interesting about a return and basically makes it a rushing play 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Correct.  It eliminates anything interesting about a return and basically makes it a rushing play 

yeah,not a fan

Just eliminate kickers altogether except for FG's, and start at a certain yard marker and be done with it

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Since you can't move until the ball is touched you also eliminate recovering a muffed catch. Plenty of time to miss the catch and get the ball back

Here is the new kickoff rule...

Can't do this, this, this...no longer have to worry about that, that and that.. but what about ...nope can't do that either. 

It's a dude catching the ball and everybody starting from a standstill.   

But atleast....nope not really. 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Just eliminate kickers altogether except for FG's, and start at a certain yard marker and be done with it

Right...how about have the offense start at the 20 after a TD....and 30 after a FG? 

Saves us all time.