2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think this new RB shows versatility. Shipley is in the running. So many options they brought in understanding the importance of this role in any offense.

YAC isn’t a role lmao it’s an ability very nice ability to have…. But again Ship, Smith, any other non TE isn’t going to replace Geodart. They could very well bring YAC ability in there own specialized roles but it not going to be the same as Geodart 

I’m ’calling it’ now…we will see much more of these YAC designed plays this season. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m ’calling it’ now…we will see much more of these YAC designed plays this season. 

Probably so designing plays that utilize the strengths of the player lol sure Barkley going to have plenty of YAC opportunities as well as a pass catcher 

Isn’t going to replace Geodart though 

As a player designer you should always be looking to design plays to get your players the ball in space and be able to make plays after the catch 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

As a player designer you should always be looking to design plays to get your players the ball in space and be able to make plays after the catch 

Especially in addition to the downfield passing and rushing attack. Pretty basic and simple I agree.

But it’s not just screens. Those are indeed part of what I’m talking about. But clear outs to create that space also applies. A pick on a crossing route while AJ and DeVonta clear out underneath. Those two stud WRs drawing out the defenders then just a simple Out route. On and on…

Having more options we’ll see more of these this season. Not talking any rocket science here. Think the part the stumps many is how it’s been our TE that’s lead the way in this key area.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

But it’s not just screens. Those are indeed part of what I’m talking about. But clear outs to create that space also applies. A pick on a crossing route while AJ and DeVonta clear out underneath. Those two stud WRs drawing out the defenders then just a simple Out route. On and on…

And again the matchup Barkley brings, Smith, Ship anyone else you want to name is completely different than that of Geodart. Just because they are good YAC players doesn’t mean they are replacing each other.

I mean you line Geodart out wide behind AJ and Smith the matchup you’re looking for is him against a smaller defender.

For a guy like Smith we want to try and get him up against a slower player like a LB 

20 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

YAC isn’t a role lmao it’s an ability very nice ability to have…. But again Ship, Smith, any other non TE isn’t going to replace Geodart. They could very well bring YAC ability in there own specialized roles but it not going to be the same as Geodart 

My son's 4th grade basketball team was missing the DC...dunk creator.   

Btw... AJ would be my guy to put in the YC spot.   

I agree with the idea Goedert was the only TE I would look to throw a screen to.   I don't think any WRs or RBs replace Goedert.  

But I love the terminology...YAC creator.   So much more scientific than just saying dude can run with the ball. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Think the part the stumps many is how it’s been our TE that’s lead the way in this key area

What stumps many is you acting like the players are replacing Geodart lmao they aren’t they are just other YAC players two completely different things 

When you analyze a receiver's ability.

Route running...  catching.... running with the ball.   That's really the only 3 things you do as a receiver.

Blocking is an element for any offensive player without the ball.  You break that down to 1. Point of attack....2. Downfield.   3 away from the ball/ backside.

What was missing from our O...because Quez was pretty much just run down the field... are a lot of these elements.   Perhaps it's why in Ham's mind Goedert sticks out.   But I wouldn't say " replacing Goedert "   I would say we need more all around ability at WR. Really at RB too.

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

What stumps many is you acting like the players are replacing Geodart lmao they aren’t they are just other YAC players two completely different things 

💯 

More so due to Quez, Stoll being vanilla.

I just don’t understand why it wasn’t just simply we have more guys that can produce yards after the catch why does it have to be they replace Geodart? 
 

Realistically we should be looking to get guys in space and producing yards even with Geodart healthy and again taking advantage of the matchup 

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Wasn't DJax "just a run down the field" guy?

Those guys are great if the the QB can hit them at the mesh point between defenders. Then again that can be said about the QB and anybody - at any position - he throws it to.

Eagles tied 2018 Pats and 2023 Texans with most draft trades at 8

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

What stumps many is you acting like the players are replacing Geodart lmao they aren’t they are just other YAC players two completely different things 

I said filling in this one specific area that Goedert plays a key role of production. Made clear stating wasn’t talking about swing a TE2. Made clear wasn’t talking about everything Goedert does. But didn’t have anybody else to really fill the crucial role of production in the offense. Really super simple…other than position titles getting in you guys way. Not talking anything insane or groundbreaking here. Goedert has been our guy for that. Stoll wasn’t going to do it. Quez wasn’t going to do it. Julio wasn’t going to do it. Now we brought in some other options to make sure we not just don’t lose this element…but add to this production in our O.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

When you analyze a receiver's ability.

Route running...  catching.... running with the ball.   That's really the only 3 things you do as a receiver.

Blocking is an element for any offensive player without the ball.  You break that down to 1. Point of attack....2. Downfield.   3 away from the ball/ backside.

What was missing from our O...because Quez was pretty much just run down the field... are a lot of these elements.   Perhaps it's why in Ham's mind Goedert sticks out.   But I wouldn't say " replacing Goedert "   I would say we need more all around ability at WR. Really at RB too.

I stated replacing Goedert’s production in this one key area. 
  Quez did more than just run downfield…he ran and dropped passes. He was a combination player.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I just don’t understand why it wasn’t just simply we have more guys that can produce yards after the catch why does it have to be they replace Geodart? 
 

Realistically we should be looking to get guys in space and producing yards even with Geodart healthy and again taking advantage of the matchup 

It really was always pretty simple like that. It was just Goedert was the only guy that did that for us. DeVonta can some. But not what he need him doing so much. But more focused in on how the designed plays underneath pretty much just relying on the YAC setup…than getting open and catching the ball. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

It really was always pretty simple like that. It was just Goedert was the only guy that did that for us. DeVonta can some. But not what he need him doing so much. But more focused in on how the designed plays underneath pretty much just relying on the YAC setup…than getting open and catching the ball. 

And for No Mas yes this includes the screens

34 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Eagles tied 2018 Pats and 2023 Texans with most draft trades at 8

Record setting season underway

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

💯

More so due to Quez, Stoll being vanilla.

Julio being old, OZ not being capable really of creating YAC…there you go…you get it…we didn’t have other options. It’s a whole element to the offense. It’s not coach specific even. Every O needs this element of production to offset…sometimes more crucially than others.

You can counter teams playing cloud over the top coverage or bringing the blitz very effectively by utilizing these designed YAC plays. Other Ds also…but these two is what we struggled to combat last season for sure.

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It really was always pretty simple like that. It was just Goedert was the only guy that did that for us. DeVonta can some. But not what he need him doing so much. But more focused in on how the designed plays underneath pretty much just relying on the YAC setup…than getting open and catching the ball. 

 But again this isn’t replacing Geodart that the main point everyone on the board has been making… 

Yes we all understand we hopefully have other guys that can produce yards after the catch and work the middle/underneath passing game but the way Smitb is going to do it or Barkley or Ship is going to be different then Geodart. 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

 But again this isn’t replacing Geodart that the main point everyone on the board has been making… 

Yes we all understand we hopefully have other guys that can produce yards after the catch and work the middle/underneath passing game but the way Smitb is going to do it or Barkley or Ship is going to be different then Geodart. 

These guys can replace Goedert’s production in this very key specific area of the O

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

These guys can replace Goedert’s production in this very key specific area of the O

No they can’t they can provide YAC plays they can’t replace Geodart again two different things