1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

More like putting the other guy all in...and still being able to cover it if the cards work against us.

Nice to have those small chips when you are bargaining for a draft pick or a vet. If a player gets  the same offer,Howie can say OK I'll toss in a 6th to put his finger on the scale

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Here is the beauty.  You don't have to dive into any of this.  You can work on your running or whatever...the beauty is the Eagles do all this stuff and we get to watch. 

Figuring out DeJean's career path... shouldn't be a concern.  Should be more of something we look forward to seeing where it will go.

Sure we could all just never even think about anything and let it all just take place. Never question any GM decisions, coaches decisions or players decisions. But that’s pretty much exactly what we don’t do.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

For me the next step does revolve around coaching and playcalling. Not to deflect responsibilities from Hurts. But the playcalling and routes have to reflect this. Just obviously, right? I’d like to see his main step of evolution be in throwing short quick accurate timing passing game.

 The other focus for me would be eliminating turnovers much more. A new O will almost always bring miscommunications not just from the QB…but blocking and receivers. So some of those are just going to happen. I’m not even reaching for perfection here. But he needs to hold on to the ball with better ball security being the main improvement.

The progression...

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

For me the next step does revolve around coaching and playcalling. Not to deflect responsibilities from Hurts. But the playcalling and routes have to reflect this. Just obviously, right? I’d like to see his main step of evolution be in throwing short quick accurate timing passing game.

 The other focus for me would be eliminating turnovers much more. A new O will almost always bring miscommunications not just from the QB…but blocking and receivers. So some of those are just going to happen. I’m not even reaching for perfection here. But he needs to hold on to the ball with better ball security being the main improvement.

IDK I can run 8 plays only.if I can execute those 8 plays and you can't stop me,the play call doesn't really matter. Of course this is a simpleton explanation,but it all comes down to execution. I don't think the play calling could get worse though. What bothered me most was continually running plays we could NOT execute

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sure we could all just never even think about anything and let it all just take place. Never question any GM decisions, coaches decisions or players decisions. But that’s pretty much exactly what we don’t do.

I'm not saying not to question anything you see after the fact.   

I'm saying you have a rookie with promise... why worry exactly how he is used from his first day at practice etc.  Let it happen... in a way that works for him and the team. 

I think even the minor fan of our team can see DeJean is special at returns. Covey had a huge step up in P returning last season. But that’s really all Covey does. So it doesn’t take to much jumping to conclusions to consider whether you’d trade Covey. Doesn’t need to happen tomorrow or anything…but frankly it could be an option as part of some trade deal. Some team could view Covey as potential in the KO return arena as well.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I can run 8 plays only.if I can execute those 8 plays and you can't stop me,the play call doesn't really matter. Of course this is a simpleton explanation,but it all comes down to execution. I don't think the play calling could get worse though. What bothered me most was continually running plays we could NOT execute

1 yard sideline routes to Goedert was not only bad play calling but failure to execute it,but we kept running it

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

1 yard sideline routes to Goedert was not only bad play calling but failure to execute it,but we kept running it

Failure to understand the sideline is an added defender sent shivers up my spine(and not good ones)

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I can run 8 plays only.if I can execute those 8 plays and you can't stop me,the play call doesn't really matter. Of course this is a simpleton explanation,but it all comes down to execution. I don't think the play calling could get worse though. What bothered me most was continually running plays we could NOT execute

What bothered me was during a few games stretch last season...Hurts had more turnovers than our punter had punts...while we were scoring a lot of points....and fans were complaining about the play calling.

What concerns me going forward... if the RPO is going to be stopped and contained better by modern day defenses... can our QB still be effective?   

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The progression...

That’s a very tall ask. He’s just learning a whole new O. Miles away from being ready to room through to the third read on every new play understanding what Moore is looking for out of him. That’s not just with the O play called..you understand…it’s that play how it translates versus the D playcall.

 I thought it was just an understood fact that with time in a scheme comes more comfort and knowledge of that scheme.

Goedert-Middle of the field weapon. Behind him comes Ainias Smith on a screen cross. Tell me who can cover that. Smith is a rook,expect rook mistakes,but once that gets fixed we can own the middle of the field against anyone

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think even the minor fan of our team can see DeJean is special at returns. Covey had a huge step up in P returning last season. But that’s really all Covey does. So it doesn’t take to much jumping to conclusions to consider whether you’d trade Covey. Doesn’t need to happen tomorrow or anything…but frankly it could be an option as part of some trade deal. Some team could view Covey as potential in the KO return arena as well.

That's great to gave that option.   Perfect for people inside the organization to decide while I'm on the beach in August.

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

1 yard sideline routes to Goedert was not only bad play calling but failure to execute it,but we kept running it

I hate that play....I remember one year under Andy....we started like 8 games in a row with the 2 yard out to LJ Smith. 

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

My answer is to have him ready to play game 1.   Throw it at him in whatever order you like. 

And it's not my concern how they do it. How the progression goes.

It’s really just a fascinating case study. Last thing I want is to overwhelm any elite potentials kid and have him developing sloppy bad habits that will later need to be broken.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s a very tall ask. He’s just learning a whole new O. Miles away from being ready to room through to the third read on every new play understanding what Moore is looking for out of him. That’s not just with the O play called..you understand…it’s that play how it translates versus the D playcall.

 I thought it was just an understood fact that with time in a scheme comes more comfort and knowledge of that scheme.

It's not all that far off from what Iowa ran. I mean unless you are going to tear down years of what we do. Cooper is not stupid,he's very bright and is a sponge. He will make rook mistakes,we need to understand that.I'm not expecting a shut down anything right away. Like any rook he will see what he did wrong and make the adjustments

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I hate that play....I remember one year under Andy....we started like 8 games in a row with the 2 yard out to LJ Smith. 

Oh it made my skin crawl as a TE. Real misuse of Goederts talent

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s a very tall ask. He’s just learning a whole new O. Miles away from being ready to room through to the third read on every new play understanding what Moore is looking for out of him. That’s not just with the O play called..you understand…it’s that play how it translates versus the D playcall.

 I thought it was just an understood fact that with time in a scheme comes more comfort and knowledge of that scheme.

You make the game way more complicated...and the players way more stupid than reality.

You take a 9th grader today... they have the knowledge of a college senior 30 years ago regarding football schemes. 

These pros today...way more ahead of the game mentally.  A 5th year QB... shouldn't take long in 2024. Just different times. 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s really just a fascinating case study. Last thing I want is to overwhelm any elite potentials kid and have him developing sloppy bad habits that will later need to be broken.

I just don’t understand your whole train of thought here?   

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Goedert-Middle of the field weapon. Behind him comes Ainias Smith on a screen cross. Tell me who can cover that. Smith is a rook,expect rook mistakes,but once that gets fixed we can own the middle of the field against anyone

SO now he question is,will Hurts find them?

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I can run 8 plays only.if I can execute those 8 plays and you can't stop me,the play call doesn't really matter. Of course this is a simpleton explanation,but it all comes down to execution. I don't think the play calling could get worse though. What bothered me most was continually running plays we could NOT execute

I thought Chip Kelly stupid experiment clearly disapproved that. Even with him always masking the 8 plays in a hurry up situation. NFL Ds are just way too good for that. You always have to execute well to succeed. But running a predictable O with zero imagination just isn’t going to remotely cut it in my book. My thoughts are you want to create conflict in defenders. That one heartbeat where they have to hesitate run/pass and all the variants beyond. That’s what creates the windows and opportunities.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It's not all that far off from what Iowa ran. I mean unless you are going to tear down years of what we do. Cooper is not stupid,he's very bright and is a sponge. He will make rook mistakes,we need to understand that.I'm not expecting a shut down anything right away. Like any rook he will see what he did wrong and make the adjustments

As long as he isn't expected to be this slot guy having to cover the out pattern. We should be fine.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I thought Chip Kelly stupid experiment clearly disapproved that. Even with him always masking the 8 plays in a hurry up situation. NFL Ds are just way too good for that. You always have to execute well to succeed. But running a predictable O with zero imagination just isn’t going to remotely cut it in my book. My thoughts are you want to create conflict in defenders. That one heartbeat where they have to hesitate run/pass and all the variants beyond. That’s what creates the windows and opportunities.

Let me ask you then. I have 2 plays. Play 1. I run the ball in the B gap for 12 yards. You can't stop me. Play 2-I throw to Goedert for 25 yards and you can't stop me. if I can execute those 2 plays and you can never stop me what is the problem?

15 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'm not saying not to question anything you see after the fact.   

I'm saying you have a rookie with promise... why worry exactly how he is used from his first day at practice etc.  Let it happen... in a way that works for him and the team. 

You could make the case he’s an elite outside CB. You already are eliminating that from the table with him though, right? If it was your decision that is. Which I’d argue would be the greatest talent to unleash in his possible bag. 

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Let me ask you then. I have 2 plays. Play 1. I run the ball in the B gap for 12 yards. You can't stop me. Play 2-I throw to Goedert for 25 yards and you can't stop me. if I can execute those 2 plays and you can never stop me what is the problem?

I will even call the play out to the defense because if you can't stop me who cares?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I thought Chip Kelly stupid experiment clearly disapproved that. Even with him always masking the 8 plays in a hurry up situation. NFL Ds are just way too good for that. You always have to execute well to succeed. But running a predictable O with zero imagination just isn’t going to remotely cut it in my book. My thoughts are you want to create conflict in defenders. That one heartbeat where they have to hesitate run/pass and all the variants beyond. That’s what creates the windows and opportunities.

Only thing..I think Chip's 8 plays would have worked much better with his running QB Hurts....an all around TE in Goedert...and the better outside WRs that we have now. 

Plus... at the G spots... he didn't have the run blockers. 

I'm not saying this to build up Chip,or approve of the limited scheme... more so to give credit to our current players including the athletic ability of our QB. Also... give credit to Steichen who basically was able to use this RPO system with the perfect timing to add enough to keep the defense from just focusing 100% to stop it. 

I feel last year it was the go to a little to often and predictable on key plays.