6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I keep agreeing with if you can smash mouth bully run the ball down the opponents throw? That works on all levels of football.

My complain is when we keep running plays we SUCK at over and over and they fail over and over. That is bad play AND bad execution. So you either figure out how to execute that play or you toss it in the bin and find something else

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I actually was thinking he could matchup pretty decently with Lamb. Which says so much. Top WR in the league last year. Ceedee brings a difficult combination to deal with. All depends on whether you believe DeJean is an elite CB. Or is he an elite S? Or is he just good at all of them master of none? But outside CB that travels with the top WR1 is top position of priority to me. Deion Sanders is a more important player for my D than Troy Palumalu(whichever top S you wish).

I would think with Mitchels speed he would be the cover on Lamb. Why not try that Mitchell on Lamb with Coop as a FS? Now you got a DT on their #1. he cant outrun Mitchell and he is running headlong into Coop. How can you make a play that way?

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would think with Mitchels speed he would be the cover on Lamb. Why not try that Mitchell on Lamb with Coop as a FS? Now you got a DT on their #1. he cant outrun Mitchell and he is running headlong into Coop. How can you make a play that way?

Of course we have other guys too I was just using them as a future example

39 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I get a simple answer there.   Mitchell in competition with Bradberry.  The goal is to get him ready to take over for Bradberry...yesterday!   That's priority. 

I take nothing else from that statement. 

I would think someone like yourself who drools over those old school shut down CBs ...would see it the same way.

But... if anyone is to make something more ...lol.

But seriously...that's all it seems. We should all be on board with that.

I’m all about just hyper focusing Quinyon on outside CB. No sloppy habits forming. Just fully develop that one position with all the multiple roles that it entails. But I’m not likely to be ready to have him in Bump and Run coverage week one. Think he’ll be absolutely fantastic at it once he learns it. Hopefully become his main weapon of choice. But to start I’d be teaching him the techniques and rules of Off coverage Man and the different Zones.

 Not even dabbling having him travel with top WR into the slot until he has a very solid grasp on executing all these parts of the outside CB job.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would think with Mitchels speed he would be the cover on Lamb. Why not try that Mitchell on Lamb with Coop as a FS? Now you got a DT on their #1. he cant outrun Mitchell and he is running headlong into Coop. How can you make a play that way?

Boom-shut down

43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Let's see if he can cover our new slot guy. 1 on 1 college guy on college guy. I would do that first. Let him cover A smiths slot routes,let A Smith play out just for fun at camp and let him cover that. Besides the speed he needs to learn different receivers. I'm sure that was somewhat limited in Iowa

I view slot pass coverage as potentially  DeJeans toughest job to handle. I keep coming back to all these scouts weakness consensus on him as lacking fabulous hip fluidity. But you start DeJean in the slot nickel CB.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m all about just hyper focusing Quinyon on outside CB. No sloppy habits forming. Just fully develop that one position with all the multiple roles that it entails. But I’m not likely to be ready to have him in Bump and Run coverage week one. Think he’ll be absolutely fantastic at it once he learns it. Hopefully become his main weapon of choice. But to start I’d be teaching him the techniques and rules of Off coverage Man and the different Zones.

 Not even dabbling having him travel with top WR into the slot until he has a very solid grasp on executing all these parts of the outside CB job.

He has Slay and Bradberry to teach him. I think you will be pleasnatly shocked and how well he can cover the Smiths. AJ would be more of a problem due the weight and physicaity of AJ. That is where Coop comes in,but yeah let him play the bet we have. if someone goes down he is ready to face the best. Neither are round 5 development guys,they are ready to roll

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I view slot pass coverage as potentially  DeJeans toughest job to handle. I keep coming back to all these scouts weakness consensus on him as lacking fabulous hip fluidity. But you start DeJean in the slot nickel CB.

Im going back to my example of guys laying off(aka advantage receiver). In this case DJ's best spot would be at S because at the attack point(or lack thereof) the reciver has now committed to the route and a S would understand where he is going. There is no need for a hip flip coming in from a 90 angle or a frontal. Your hips are already where they need to be. So possible as a S between the 20's and blanket CB in the RZ(as the vid vs harrison shows). We can use him both ways in the same game 

45 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Combo must be taken into consideration.  I mean....let me ask you... don't you think Mitchell was selected because he could be the shutdown outside guy.

And the allure of Dejean is his versatility?

What was the viewpoint? To me I prioritize outside CB. Highest grade goes if he can do that. Then grade up or down if he can travel to the slot ,usually thinking with a specific WR that day. If Revis was good at S did you care? So if he’s best at being a great S that’s fantastic…but not the same.

  How much can you put on a rookies plate realistically before you’ve just flooded a super talented athlete and are screwing him up? 
 DeJean jobs:

P returner? Yes

KO returner? Yes.

ST P gunner? Yes

thats more than we have valued Covey for just right there. So how much more we adding to his plate? And what is chosen? I think it very much matters. 

 

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Im going back to my example of guys laying off(aka advantage receiver). In this case DJ's best spot would be at S because at the attack point(or lack thereof) the reciver has now committed to the route and a S would understand where he is going. There is no need for a hip flip coming in from a 90 angle or a frontal. Your hips are already where they need to be. So possible as a S between the 20's and blanket CB in the RZ(as the vid vs harrison shows). We can use him both ways in the same game 

Even if the receiver fakes out the CB,the S already has a bead on the route locked in. Do you see what I mean?

47 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Now he looks good vs Harrison BUT they are short routes.; he would get burned on deep routes in man. Thus between the 20's maybe he should play slot CB or S, or zone. This is the verstality he offers

See now you are thinking…in the discussion. These are answers. Backed up with film even. But he isn’t slow. He’s a 4.4 forty speed runner. You think he can’t cover deep routes? Just asking you’re thoughts. Had slower guys play the outside CB position. But slot CB still has to cover deep routes too. So that isn’t a fix for that if it’s a weakness. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What was the viewpoint? To me I prioritize outside CB. Highest grade goes if he can do that. Then grade up or down if he can travel to the slot ,usually thinking with a specific WR that day. If Revis was good at S did you care? So if he’s best at being a great S that’s fantastic…but not the same.

  How much can you put on a rookies plate realistically before you’ve just flooded a super talented athlete and are screwing him up? 
 DeJean jobs:

P returner? Yes

KO returner? Yes.

ST P gunner? Yes

thats more than we have valued Covey for just right there. So how much more we adding to his plate? And what is chosen? I think it very much matters. 

 

P returner-maybe(I would rather use the new Smith or the new RB  KO returner yes along with the new RB  P gunner-yes   garbage time CB/S-SURE. Blitz package-yeah why not?

31 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But he was busy coaching the Giants defense...missed Reggie dominate that day.   Only 10 tackles and 2 and a half sacks...etc.  probably wasn't ready yet though?

 

He coached obviously…but assuming you are poking fun

Kids loves to hit people, he said so,so let him

26 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right we ran the tush push all year because no on could stop it. That is until it was stopped in TB. Same play,lack of execution

Do they have a prayer stopping it if they didn’t know it was coming?

Time for sleep. Nice chat TTY all tomorrow

25 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

My complain is when we keep running plays we SUCK at over and over and they fail over and over. That is bad play AND bad execution. So you either figure out how to execute that play or you toss it in the bin and find something else

Hurts and AJ set the record of most consecutive games receiving over 125 yards. What did you think changed? Those two just stop executing?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Do they have a prayer stopping it if they didn’t know it was coming?

Doesn't matter if we excute it. TB figured out how to stop it. Imagine teams will be watching tat film if they have the players to do it

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts and AJ set the record of most consecutive games receiving over 125 yards. What did you think changed? Those two just stop executing?

How would they do if Hurts could find them waving their arms in the air 45 yards downfield?

45 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Larry Bird style !

See that’s what I think of how you talk football. I think of playing basketball. Just so much simpler. Defense/offense. Only so much really going on. Compared to football….

How would Goedert do 15 yards down the middle if Hurts can find him. Not the 1 yard passes to the sideline

Anyway out for the nite

59 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

With the easiest schedule I've ever seen for the Eagles...and the best WR duo as well.     

But that's great then...think about it...2025 Hurts MVP candidate after 2nd year under Moore.   

Idk what you are trying to say....seems like you are searching for problems or reasons for failure?   

If you have faith in your players...and their intangibles... I don't get it?  

Seemed to me I was just pointing out the very obvious. Takes time. Mahomes has been under AR his whole career. It’s mattered. Even then…could pretty clearly see what it took for AR to get Mahomes to adapt these last two seasons. Heck just this last season alone you could so visibly see Mahomes growth. When we played them they didn’t look like they were ready to win it all.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How many games did we win with the tush push when they KNEW it was coming. ok moving on.....

Same one play example that is the complete outlier from anything else. But keep agreeing if you can ram the ball oh the ground down your opponents throat…that always works on all levels.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

And the outside guy running a hook or out... it's called FIRST DOWN.   

Can't give it up that easy.

Pretty standard football really. You see it even more so the lower levels you get.