Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So you will be pissed if Fangio calls Cover 3 on 3rd and 4? That’s exactly the Slots job. That’s my biggest question with DeJean…is he a passing down slot CB? But he has the burst to cover the two yards he’d be off that outside WR. Can he flip his hips to go? How else did you read the play responsibility? It was drawn with a line right there showing you slot guy or SS has the out and flat.

I'll be pissed if it's an easy pitch and catch on an 8 yard out near the sideline if my slot guy is expected to cover twice the ground as the outside WR to break up a pass.  Yes.  

If...it's cover 3...and the slot WR runs the out...with the same distance to the sideline as my slot CB...then fine. That is doable. 

But any scheme that needs my guys to cover twice the ground as the opponent in the same amount of time... I don't like.  

You gotta be able to adjust accordingly to the formation. 

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So you will be pissed if Fangio calls Cover 3 on 3rd and 4? That’s exactly the Slots job. That’s my biggest question with DeJean…is he a passing down slot CB? But he has the burst to cover the two yards he’d be off that outside WR. Can he flip his hips to go? How else did you read the play responsibility? It was drawn with a line right there showing you slot guy or SS has the out and flat.

This is awful,I don't care how good your players are this a first down I could throw

44 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I just don’t understand your whole train of thought here?   

I think it was implied with Rosie’s answer concerning whether he saw Quinyon playing the slot. Rosie remarked…just want him to stick to leading the one job correctly first. Are we teaching the guy to have very tight great fundamentals and techniques? Or are we just developing sloppy try to get every job done the best you can day one skills? Then going to work on breaking bad habits we let him develop doing so. Real fundamental basic train of thought….I believed anyway. Don’t want a Jack of All Trades …master of none situation with a super elite athletic high potential player.

  Brought in Shipley at RB. Are we lining him up in the slot WR role teaching that to him plenty through his first TC? He has versatility. Or are we concentrating on several key RB roles he could contribute doing first at the most sound fundamental way we can accomplish?

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

This is awful,I don't care how good your players are this a first down I could throw

This particular play I keep showing.... if the slot guy is supposed to cover the outside...he should immediately run there, not engage with the slot guy...this play here was already a couple steps after the snap.   

So did the guy mentally miss the assignment...or was this an idiotic scheme? This happened way too often for me to think it was a missed assignment. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

This particular play I keep showing.... if the slot guy is supposed to cover the outside...he should immediately run there, not engage with the slot guy...this play here was already a couple steps after the snap.   

So did the guy mentally miss the assignment...or was this an idiotic scheme? This happened way too often for me to think it was a missed assignment. 

I don't even know what's happening on the other side either LOL. It could be twice as bad as we think

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think it was implied with Rosie’s answer concerning whether he saw Quinyon playing the slot. Rosie remarked…just want him to stick to leading the one job correctly first. Are we teaching the guy to have very tight great fundamentals and techniques? Or are we just developing sloppy try to get every job done the best you can day one skills? Then going to work on breaking bad habits we let him develop doing so. Real fundamental basic train of thought….I believed anyway. Don’t want a Jack of All Trades …master of none situation with a super elite athletic high potential player.

  Brought in Shipley at RB. Are we lining him up in the slot WR role teaching that to him plenty through his first TC? He has versatility. Or are we concentrating on several key RB roles he could contribute doing first at the most sound fundamental way we can accomplish?

I'm watching my kids play ball and enjoying my life... I don't have to do any of this... nor do I think Howie is a coach and focus on any of his answers in this area.  

38 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We have a great RB now. I'm expecting a shift from the RPO to play action. Hurts needs to use the weapons not just ball hog after 1 read. he was also awful on alot of runs beause he didn't bust for the yards like he did before the big payday. He would run a few yards and fall down like a deer in headlights. Not a good look IMO.

My view was that was basically the main focus they had Hurts doing last offseason. Almost hyper focused on you got paid …we need you…don’t be so aggressive. Completely unnatural way of playing the game to Hurts.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

This particular play I keep showing.... if the slot guy is supposed to cover the outside...he should immediately run there, not engage with the slot guy...this play here was already a couple steps after the snap.   

So did the guy mentally miss the assignment...or was this an idiotic scheme? This happened way too often for me to think it was a missed assignment. 

No it's not you,the coverage was soft way too often. I get not wanting to get beat deep,but you need more aggression than we showed

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

I don't even know what's happening on the other side either LOL. It could be twice as bad as we think

Idk...call me dumb...I just don’t like the idea...I gotta cover a guy...but he gets a 5 yard head start in the direction we are both going?

Think about it...the inside CB has to cover the out pattern by the outside WR... that's like saying the CB should start 5 yards in the backfield while covering the go route?  Makes no sense.  

47 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Only thing..I think Chip's 8 plays would have worked much better with his running QB Hurts....an all around TE in Goedert...and the better outside WRs that we have now. 

Plus... at the G spots... he didn't have the run blockers. 

I'm not saying this to build up Chip,or approve of the limited scheme... more so to give credit to our current players including the athletic ability of our QB. Also... give credit to Steichen who basically was able to use this RPO system with the perfect timing to add enough to keep the defense from just focusing 100% to stop it. 

I feel last year it was the go to a little to often and predictable on key plays. 

Yeah it was just a college gimmick. Puts up O stats because you create more plays and snaps in a game that way. Not even real effective in college ball really. Was best for a blip in terrible PAC D conference. But it works any level of football if you can smash mouth ram the ball on the ground down your opponents throat endlessly.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think it was implied with Rosie’s answer concerning whether he saw Quinyon playing the slot. Rosie remarked…just want him to stick to leading the one job correctly first. Are we teaching the guy to have very tight great fundamentals and techniques? Or are we just developing sloppy try to get every job done the best you can day one skills? Then going to work on breaking bad habits we let him develop doing so. Real fundamental basic train of thought….I believed anyway. Don’t want a Jack of All Trades …master of none situation with a super elite athletic high potential player.

  Brought in Shipley at RB. Are we lining him up in the slot WR role teaching that to him plenty through his first TC? He has versatility. Or are we concentrating on several key RB roles he could contribute doing first at the most sound fundamental way we can accomplish?

Why don't we let the kids get moved,meet their neighbors and teammates. Find out where the restrooms are at the Linc. We have(I assume) pro coaches not pee wee dads who do this on weekends.I would think they have all been down this road already?

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My view was that was basically the main focus they had Hurts doing last offseason. Almost hyper focused on you got paid …we need you…don’t be so aggressive. Completely unnatural way of playing the game to Hurts.

Hyperfocused on don't be aggressive....while rushing 157 times?

58 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

As long as he isn't expected to be this slot guy having to cover the out pattern. We should be fine.

So it’s a no for DeJean in the slot from you

19 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Have you seen any high school football lately.   Meaning see what these high school players learn/ practice and work on ...involving schemes and playcalling?

The game has evolved so much from a mental standpoint.  These 22 year olds are exposed to so much from the time they start HS ball 8 years prior.

You talking about COVID? JK

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So it’s a no for DeJean in the slot from you

Not worried about Dejean.  We aren't the coaches.  They will use him how they think best works for the 2024 Eagles. 

Then do the same thing in 2025, 2026 , 2027...and hopefully many more years.  With each year being what works best for the team.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk...call me dumb...I just don’t like the idea...I gotta cover a guy...but he gets a 5 yard head start in the direction we are both going?

Think about it...the inside CB has to cover the out pattern by the outside WR... that's like saying the CB should start 5 yards in the backfield while covering the go route?  Makes no sense.  

Well as a TE(back in the stone ages) when I saw a guy laying off me,I had to watch him awhile to see if he was A)Setting me up or B) alot more talented than I was. Not more talented? Then laying off gave me the advantage as a receiver because I could make him commit with a twitch,then I could change direction which made him WAY out of place and he could not recover fast enough. I scored TD's this way. I was no "star" in fact I started as a RB,but it was mostly about getting your coverage to commit. IDK if that holds true at the NFL level,but I think it would

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well as a TE(back in the stone ages) when I saw a guy laying off me,I had to watch him awhile to see if he was A)Setting me up or B) alot more talented than I was. Not more talented? Then laying off gave me the advantage as a receiver because I could make him commit with a twitch,then I could change direction which made him WAY out of place and he could not recover fast enough. I scored TD's this way. I was no "star" in fact I started as a RB,but it was mostly about getting your coverage to commit. IDK if that holds true at the NFL level,but I think it would

So,when I see things like the pic you posted,it makes me think "advantage receiver" Guys that would press me at the LOS gave me the toughest times

53 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So for me last year the simple play calls weren't great,it was the fact we couldn't execute them,but we never replaced them with plays we COULD

For me it was a clear change of the book being out on our offense and never adapting. Coaches…good coaches talk about self scouting …I truely believe in this. I also believe in having multiple plays that come from each look. So the D isn’t just keying in knowing your playcall. I’m sure I learned much of that from AR. But if you line up in a certain way and can go multiple ways from that look…that’s an offense. Don’t want easy tells. When you hear the D yelling out what you are about to do? That isn’t good. Those plays don’t work a whole lot.

38 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think Hurts has that excellent ability on the quick short pass.  

I think to expand his game...it's the plays where the whole world knows a pass is coming and executing the play is needed to stay on the field.  Can he make a read ..or two if needed while being blitzed? 

The short quick passing game to me is almost like staying ahead of the chains because we are afraid we can't make the difficult 3rd down play.  In 2022, we could execute on 3rd and long...didn't need a quick play.  

What is the answer to reading the blitz? It is the quick accurate timing passing game.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You talking about COVID? JK

Idk...we ran the wishbone in HS.  My son's kid that is 33 ran a complicated scheme 15 years ago in HS... my other son's kid graduating this year has it even more advanced.   Shotgun every snap,  motions,  routes,  RPO...audibles...etc.  all of it.

Watching the opponents...I think one is the future QB for Penn State..very advanced passing game.  

So much different today...starting at the younger ages 

The local kids have the spring flag league.  High school has the spring 7 on 7 etc.  They just do so much more now, with exposure to many more plays/ schemes.  

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

For me it was a clear change of the book being out on our offense and never adapting. Coaches…good coaches talk about self scouting …I truely believe in this. I also believe in having multiple plays that come from each look. So the D isn’t just keying in knowing your playcall. I’m sure I learned much of that from AR. But if you line up in a certain way and can go multiple ways from that look…that’s an offense. Don’t want easy tells. When you hear the D yelling out what you are about to do? That isn’t good. Those plays don’t work a whole lot.

As I keep posting.If I have 2 plays and you can't stop me on either one it doesn't matter what we do or what you do.Unless you stop me I will run those plays to death

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I will even call the play out to the defense because if you can't stop me who cares?

That’s great with Hurts on a Brotherly Shove. Exactly what everybody is trying to avoid otherwise. Hand signals headsets…guys trying to cheat and read playcalls. What did Bellicheat get busted doing? Heck Harbaugh was just doing what last season? You really think it’s irrelevant? 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why do I need to assign him a specific task in April???

Rosie was real clear after the first draft pick…going to concentrate on Quinyon learning that outside CB spot first before even bogging him down with slot job…but stated  knows he can do it and travel..eventually.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk...we ran the wishbone in HS.  My son's kid that is 33 ran a complicated scheme 15 years ago in HS... my other son's kid graduating this year has it even more advanced.   Shotgun every snap,  motions,  routes,  RPO...audibles...etc.  all of it.

Watching the opponents...I think one is the future QB for Penn State..very advanced passing game.  

So much different today...starting at the younger ages 

The local kids have the spring flag league.  High school has the spring 7 on 7 etc.  They just do so much more now, with exposure to many more plays/ schemes.  

OMG just the TE position ALONE is so much more advanced than when I played. College guys coming out are "NFL ready". Just learn the speed of the game and you are fine. yes it's more complicated,but you are also better prepared than ever

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

For me it was a clear change of the book being out on our offense and never adapting. Coaches…good coaches talk about self scouting …I truely believe in this. I also believe in having multiple plays that come from each look. So the D isn’t just keying in knowing your playcall. I’m sure I learned much of that from AR. But if you line up in a certain way and can go multiple ways from that look…that’s an offense. Don’t want easy tells. When you hear the D yelling out what you are about to do? That isn’t good. Those plays don’t work a whole lot.

So I see both of your points.

For me... I saw us ...on both sides.. pretty good on 1st and 2nd downs.   

On defense too soft on 3rd down...just to easy for the opponent to pitch and catch for 12 yards on 3rd downs. 

On offense...we move the ball...then in moments of truth...we go back to high school offense...QBdraw or something where we just kill a drive!

Like... it was just the timing of the few really bad play calls ...that killed the offense.   Was weird.  

By the end with AJ out,  it was like watching a turtle go into his shell.  No creativity and no space... nothing was there at all.