Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Actually? Pretty much

We don’t want you taking a hit..but here’s a QB draw…is that not pretty much exactly what went down last season?

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Slot guy clearly is outside leverage of the slot receiver…it’s the breaking point….you know for those plays the O doesn’t yell out the exact playcall. The outside WR could do a million things other than go short out. The Slot WR could be the guy going out…Or hook. It’s called Zone.

And the outside guy running a hook or out... it's called FIRST DOWN.   

Can't give it up that easy.

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not worried about Dejean.  We aren't the coaches.  They will use him how they think best works for the 2024 Eagles. 

Then do the same thing in 2025, 2026 , 2027...and hopefully many more years.  With each year being what works best for the team.

Any of those years if he plays in the slot on Cover 3 he has the short out route responsibility.

30 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well as a TE(back in the stone ages) when I saw a guy laying off me,I had to watch him awhile to see if he was A)Setting me up or B) alot more talented than I was. Not more talented? Then laying off gave me the advantage as a receiver because I could make him commit with a twitch,then I could change direction which made him WAY out of place and he could not recover fast enough. I scored TD's this way. I was no "star" in fact I started as a RB,but it was mostly about getting your coverage to commit. IDK if that holds true at the NFL level,but I think it would

See now you’re in the discussion. You weren’t just yelling to your defender..”hey I’m going to fake an out and cut post” …then just out execute anyway

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Go back the fifty pages before the draft started. It was very plainly written with lines showing exactly what I’m telling you if my sentences aren’t clear enough. Had the slot guy with his line on the short out zone responsibility.

And go back to all the pages from me...it's not going to work.  Only way ot works is in a video game where the one guy can move twice as fast as another guy...doesn't happen against an outside WR...no defender can run 10 yards faster than an outside WR can run 5. 

First down all day.

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And the outside guy running a hook or out... it's called FIRST DOWN.   

Can't give it up that easy.

And we don't even know what's going on on the other side,but this one is bad enough. Now Plug Harrison into this picture(because that is where he is) This would not be a first down,this is a TD just begging to be had. I'm getting that outside CB to commit to an inside curl,then I turn out and I am taking it to the house

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We don’t want you taking a hit..but here’s a QB draw…is that not pretty much exactly what went down last season?

Only on key downs.  Ran that RPO on early downs.   He also tucked an ran often enough. Just didn't run aggressively. 

30 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So,when I see things like the pic you posted,it makes me think "advantage receiver" Guys that would press me at the LOS gave me the toughest times

Disrupting any timing patterns between QB and WR is almost always the best defense….if you can recover afterwards for whatever happens. As a CB if you can jam the receiver and he still isn’t a threat to beat you over the top…BOOM! If he’s much faster than you and your jam isn’t fantastic…your toast!

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Any of those years if he plays in the slot on Cover 3 he has the short out route responsibility.

And then where he plays on the next play after they catch the easy out for a 1st down...will be up to the coaches. 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See now you’re in the discussion. You weren’t just yelling to your defender..”hey I’m going to fake an out and cut post” …then just out execute anyway

Larry Bird style !

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Disrupting any timing patterns between QB and WR is almost always the best defense….if you can recover afterwards for whatever happens. As a CB if you can jam the receiver and he still isn’t a threat to beat you over the top…BOOM! If he’s much faster than you and your jam isn’t fantastic…your toast!

Yep conversely if you lay off you are letting them control the game with constant first downs and killing the clock. So pick your poison. If you have decent CB's there is no reason for the pic above.and BTW I dont care how good your corner is. if I can get him to commit to the inside curl I will turn out for a TD

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Disrupting any timing patterns between QB and WR is almost always the best defense….if you can recover afterwards for whatever happens. As a CB if you can jam the receiver and he still isn’t a threat to beat you over the top…BOOM! If he’s much faster than you and your jam isn’t fantastic…your toast!

Or how about a simple concept of not starting out 5 yards behind the 1st down marker...and running backwards?

29 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OMG just the TE position ALONE is so much more advanced than when I played. College guys coming out are "NFL ready". Just learn the speed of the game and you are fine. yes it's more complicated,but you are also better prepared than ever

Bellicheat stated he’s only ever seen one player NFL ready day one…LT

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Or how about a simple concept of not starting out 5 yards behind the 1st down marker...and running backwards?

Idk... it's 3rd and 5...I'm not lining up 10 yards back...I'll be at the marker at least.

3rd and 8...I'm not lining up 12 yards off the ball. 

Doesn't have to be man to man bump and run.   Just can't give the easy pitch and catch in 2024 ...players too skilled today.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Bellicheat stated he’s only ever seen one player NFL ready day one…LT

He must have missed Reggie White's first game?

If I wanted to use Coop,I would make him man press with a S behind in the event he somehow got around him. OR you can let Slay press with Coop behind. if the reciever gets by those 2 the play is already over,so in those examples Coop is a CB or S

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Bellicheat stated he’s only ever seen one player NFL ready day one…LT

My fav player,but so long ago.Look at college QB's now.They are ready to roll. Just need to learn the speed and pick it up. Of course they need weaponry but guys like Lawrence were good to go on day 1. Marvin harrison will be ready to go and you've seen Dejean cover him already(ready to go)

31 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So let me ask you. On 4th downs or 3rd and inches the defenses did not know we would run the tush push?? They knew we were and could not stop it. That is execution not play calling

That was the exact example I used to support your case. But the only one. Well unless you count field goals and punts. 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

My fav player,but so long ago.Look at college QB's now.They are ready to roll. Just need to learn the speed and pick it up. Of course they need weaponry but guys like Lawrence were good to go on day 1. Marvin harrison will be ready to go and you've seen Dejean cover him already(ready to go). The rookie RB set rookie records year 1(Richardson I believe?

 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

He must have missed Reggie White's first game?

But he was busy coaching the Giants defense...missed Reggie dominate that day.   Only 10 tackles and 2 and a half sacks...etc.  probably wasn't ready yet though?

 

34 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So if I can run a B gap RB for 12 yards EVERY TIME and you can't stop me why would I need 27 other plays?

I keep agreeing with if you can smash mouth bully run the ball down the opponents throw? That works on all levels of football.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

That was the exact example I used to support your case. But the only one. Well unless you count field goals and punts. 

Well it's 1 play, just showing you that regardless if they know or not,if you execute it doesnt mater if they know or not. I;m not in dreamland where every play works every time,but you need to fin the ones you can do well

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I keep agreeing with if you can smash mouth bully run the ball down the opponents throw? That works on all levels of football.

Pretty much rewatch the Cards against our D…I’d slap a laughing emoji but it was far from funny to me…painful

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I keep agreeing with if you can smash mouth bully run the ball down the opponents throw? That works on all levels of football.

Right we ran the tush push all year because no on could stop it. That is until it was stopped in TB. Same play,lack of execution

35 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Let him cover all 3.He has to learn NFL speed first off. Usually that is what surprises college guys the most is how much faster things happen. Maybe we use Dejean differently depending on who we play. If their WR;s are not top rate we can play him where we think he can be the most effective.he is not going to match speed with Lamb,but you want him out there anyhow?

I actually was thinking he could matchup pretty decently with Lamb. Which says so much. Top WR in the league last year. Ceedee brings a difficult combination to deal with. All depends on whether you believe DeJean is an elite CB. Or is he an elite S? Or is he just good at all of them master of none? But outside CB that travels with the top WR1 is top position of priority to me. Deion Sanders is a more important player for my D than Troy Palumalu(whichever top S you wish).